Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

hotmail.com wrote: »

Cases probably will rise, but my point is that surely America should never be looked at as a country that is comparable to us.

I think NPHET look at data from around the world routinely anyway. Whether it will have a huge impact on guidelines here I wouldn't think so. Think ECDC might release specific guidelines for Europe for Christmas over next few weeks possibly.

Jimson wrote: »

i wonder what the daily numbers would be if they tested every school tomorrow, my guess would be close to 20,000.

Well they appear to be testing all in that school. It should give a good indication.

If they tested the entire population over night, the positivity rate in school going children will be about 1/3 of that in adults, as has already been reported multiple times with close contact testing.

John O.Groats wrote: »

Where are you going with this? Are you suggesting that schools should be closed or what s your angle?

If retail is closed then yes I think schools should be closed too, I don't understand how nphet see retail as such a risk but schools as such low risk.

AdamD wrote: »

Surely with the announcement of multiple vaccines, pursuing a zero covid approach in the coming months through non-vaccine means is an utterly ridiculous suggestion

Zero covid is entirely achievable. We can get there tomorrow if we simply stop testing.

We will have to live with it. There are not enough vaccines for everyone and that is a simple fact. There is not enough limulus amebocyte lysate which is a crucial part of mRNA vaccines and we can't get enough of it to give everyone 2 doses. Not to mention that plan may be to get this vaccine every year.

Thierry12 wrote: »

Forget the stats for a second

Most stats are bull**** anyway

How are the kids not getting infected and not spreading it?

How are they evading it?

Why are schools doing so well ?

Explain how your stats became, not the end result

How did you get your answer?

Stats are bull**** when they don't suit your narrative

Why do you want to know

Why should someone tell you

Have you a link to that?

You need to answer my questions rather than prove them wrong?

Etc?

Etc?

Boring?

Do people reckon when the vaccine comes around to be given out will food production/meat plants be given it first along side other frontline workers? They were a huge source of cases earlier on and it's one of the few jobs that needs people in close proximity to each other to do.

Thierry12 wrote: »

Forget the stats for a second

Most stats are bull**** anyway

How are the kids not getting infected and not spreading it?

How are they evading it?

Why are schools doing so well ?

Explain how your stats became, not the end result

How did you get your answer?

Why would we forget the stats? They're literally the only thing we have to go by Anything else is pure speculation which I'm not interested in.

El Sueño wrote: »

But that means you think it's not schools that are driving spread?

The argument prior to level 5 was that it was the schools

Since level 5 came in cases have dropped steadily despite schools being open

Hence it can be deduced that it's not the schools

That's what the data is saying

FFS.

The number of cases have dropped because economic activity/travel/people meeting has dropped significantly.
There are no pubs, restaurants, retail, etc . . . and yet cases are still averaging at 400 per day after over month of level 5.

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Just wondering are many dentists getting it? I know they wear masks but if masks were that good the retail and the pubs/restaurants would be open. So working all day a few inches from other people's mouths must surely be a big risk?

Wondering about Gardaí in pairs in their squad cars too - all day long roaming around with their partner - risky no?


I'm sure there are other examples, but I accept in fairness, that not much compares to the risk of passing the gravy bowl.

Had a dentist apoinment yet again during lockdown... my dentist doing fine... stayed open all year.. still looks like a bit of a astronaut. mask goggles visor and the usual surgical gown etc .. not worried. Counter has screen... apointments spaced... screen at counter.. temperature check and phone pre screen for symptoms and reminders ...automatic hand sanitiser... even will sanitise your card if you have one... took on extra clients from other dentists who couldnt work possibly due to age or lack of facilities/space/ventillation.

The problem is as a higher risk person... had to walk the town with an abcess for two and half hours in the rain with all cafes and bars shut. The government dont get it... they put people at risk in otherways..those who are disabled or in illhealth cannot afford cars/insurance . got a takeway tea and sat on a wall 2 meters away from where normaly I would be sitting nice and warm. By the time I got to the dentist my temperature check was 32.4 !!!

And just incase anyone thinks this is an isolated incident.. the week before a friend had a two part doctors apointment and had to walk around for 2 hours inbetween in bad weather... they are even higher risk than me.

So if anyone thinks level 5 is protecting high risk people yeh maybe no covid.. but hypothermia instead laughable. Met another high risk younger person while walking they also think goverment restrictions are not protecting the vulnerable just like in 2008.

Oh and last time sitting on said same wall met a young man who cannot find accomadation due to a relationship breakdown and had to give him every helpline number I could think of as well as winter camping tips as that is what he had resorted too... only one advert for a place to rent in towns newspaper.

Scandalous government but hey they have nice big cars to get everywhere staying nice and warm while disability services and charitys get closed down by a lack of funding and rules which many of dont have scientific data to back them up.

Too angry to post more.. as have 80 year olds that they have let down by aswell.. when I am finished sorting that mess out will post about it too if they give me permission

And it took 5 days to get pscription and 7 days for appointment to tie on with safe public transport. Even some high risk people are having problems getting safe transport to hospital apointments if they dont drive or are too ill to drive.

Thankyou to those who have volunteered especially for cancer patients as I know someone who availed of that service recently... but they still need volunteers in some parts of the country if anyone intetested.

MOR316 wrote: »

Probably but, they didn't have classrooms of 30 students to go back to after lunch, after doing it though.

But they're obliged to wear masks when they're in class.