Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

Cork2021 · 24-11-2020 03:07PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

No surprise in the tiered way out.

So we know first one 2nd December.

I'd guess the week after restaurants and pubs serving food, gives them 2 weeks to Christmas.

Intersting that RTE are reporting that government want restaurants and pubs serving food to remain open, no more of this open and closed again.

What about the rest? Are they supposedly to sit there and wait while they see their livelihoods dwindle in front of them!!

BrianD3 · 24-11-2020 03:07PM

"stick grandpa by the window" - what is grandpa, an object? I know this is O'Neill doing his usual clown act but that line, whether supposed to be funny or not, should not be appearing on the RTE website. Another example of poorly judged communication.

wadacrack · 24-11-2020 03:09PM

Has their been any speculation on what's expected for outdoor sports?

Eod100 · 24-11-2020 03:12PM

BrianD3 wrote: »

"stick grandpa by the window" - what is grandpa, an object? I know this is O'Neill doing his usual clown act but that line, whether supposed to be funny or not, should not be appearing on the RTE website. Another example of poorly judged communication.

I completely agree there, it's patronising and infantalising way of phrasing it.

hmmm · 24-11-2020 03:12PM

BrianD3 wrote: »

"stick grandpa by the window" - what is grandpa, an object? I know this is O'Neill doing his usual clown act but that line, whether supposed to be funny or not, should not be appearing on the RTE website. Another example of poorly judged communication.

Making sure there is good ventilation is key to reducing the amount of Covid in the air, so you want vulnerable people to be in an area like that.

You can choose to view this as some sort of assault on your human rights or a piece of perfectly sensible and practical advice during a pandemic. You only have to look at the amount of people who have been wearing visors to realise how even people who are trying to be safe have not kept up with the science.

seamus · 24-11-2020 03:14PM

MOR316 wrote: »

By that same token then...

The people who crammed into Dame Lane in the summer. Everyone saying there would be outbreaks and case numbers would rise... They didn't

Pubs and restaurants opened, people saying cases would rise because of them... They didn't

The Berlin Bar incident, people saying it would cause an outbreak... It didn't

Pubs closed in Dublin in September, people saying cases would come down because of it... They didn't.

See where I'm going with this?

By your argument then, anyone saying pubs and restaurants should remain shut are being stupid, which I agree with entirely!

Well you see, the items in red there, are one-off incidents. Not relevant here.

The other two, well pubs and restaurants opened, and cases did rise. In Dublin, pubs remained closed...and cases did come down.

Schools are remaining open, and cases are coming down. Thus, one can reason that schools are not a major contributor to virus spread.

political analyst · 24-11-2020 03:19PM

MOR316 wrote: »

I dont know what planet you're living on but, students go into and out of schools, in massive groups, with no masks, all mingling together and it's the same in the building. I've seen students share lunches, take drags off each other's cigarettes, mess fighting, there are numerous students of secondary schools, meeting up and still shifting the face off one another

You're just saying this to suit your agenda, which makes your argument null and void. You ain't got a clue

Like that still wouldn't have happened if the schools had been closed?! :rolleyes:

Plumbthedepths · 24-11-2020 03:20PM

John O.Groats wrote: »

Assuming your theory is true, what would be the possible advantage for him in your opinion?

Theory? When someone is on a windup usually it's for kicks and giggles .

MOR316 · 24-11-2020 03:20PM

seamus wrote: »

Well you see, the items in red there, are one-off incidents. Not relevant here.

The other two, well pubs and restaurants opened, and cases did rise. In Dublin, pubs remained closed...and cases did come down.

Schools are remaining open, and cases are coming down. Thus, one can reason that schools are not a major contributor to virus spread.

But if they happened regularly, who is to say it would spread? Going by your arguement, there is no evidence 30 people in close proximity every day spreads it or hanging around outside shops etc, with friends from other schools so...

Cases did not come down in September when they closed.

Very selective memory. There are people in these threads, who want pubs and restaurants to remain shut, who were confused as to why case numbers weren't coming down after the pubs shut in Dublin.

With all due respect, you're talking absolute nonsense on that score.

BrianD3 · 24-11-2020 03:21PM

hmmm wrote: »

Making sure there is good ventilation is key to reducing the amount of Covid in the air, so you want vulnerable people to be in an area like that.

You can choose to view this as some sort of assault on your human rights or a piece of perfectly sensible and practical advice during a pandemic.

BAME people in the UK are at higher risk of Covid - let's advise families to stick the blacks by the window so. I suppose you'd think that was perfectly good advice and a good way to communicate it

The advice about ensuring adequate ventilation is perfectly sensible, the attempt at humour and the way it is phrased is not.

MOR316 · 24-11-2020 03:23PM

political analyst wrote: »

Like that still wouldn't have happened if the schools had been closed?! :rolleyes:

Probably but, they didn't have classrooms of 30 students to go back to after lunch, after doing it though.

Stheno · 24-11-2020 03:28PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Did he ever provide any actual evidence?

He looked out the window of his office and invited Paul Cullen from the Times to come visit and see his "anecdotal" proof

seamus · 24-11-2020 03:31PM

MOR316 wrote: »

Cases did not come down in September when they closed.

Dublin did indeed see a week-long drop in cases on the foot of entering level 3. Going from a 14-day average of 165 to 156 between 2nd & 8th of October. 15 days after entering level 3.

It was unfortunately short-lived as Dublin doesn't exist in a bubble and rising rates across the rest of the country brought Dublin along with it.

With all due respect you might want to check your facts before declaring what did and didn't happen.

Pubs and restaurants opened at the end of June, and bang on schedule 3 weeks later we saw cases gradually begin to rise again.

stephenjmcd · 24-11-2020 03:36PM

Cork2021 wrote: »

What about the rest? Are they supposedly to sit there and wait while they see their livelihoods dwindle in front of them!!

To be honest though most can give it a go. I know most pubs that didn't offer food before now offer it. Sure all they have to do is get something in to open

KrustyUCC · 24-11-2020 03:44PM

Cork2021 wrote: »

Death nail for the pub industry. I’ve friends who work or own pubs and they’ve had nothing but hurt since this all started.
They did the right thing closing back in March but have been the constant scapegoats without even opening. The fact that they don’t want pubs using a local business to supply food is another kick in the teeth.
They’ll keep beating these businesses until they see us sipping coffee instead of a pint!

Yeah

Tony was very against pubs serving food opening in the first place

Now they want to change the rules again for pubs when the €9 meal was a load of BS in the first place

This government definitely seem to want to do all in their power to keep places closed even if it means paying them PUP payments

Widdensushi · 24-11-2020 03:44PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Cases are coming down at a much slower rate than earlier in the year when the schools were closed though.

I completely understand the need to keep schools open, I just don't think the evidence that they aren't a significant contributor is anywhere near as solid as portrayed.

The lockdown is totally different, the roads were empty, the hospitals weren't doing elective surgery, people were sticking to one visit to the supermarket, how you can pick out one of the differences when everything is different

MOR316 · 24-11-2020 03:45PM

seamus wrote: »

Dublin did indeed see a week-long drop in cases on the foot of entering level 3. Going from a 14-day average of 165 to 156 between 2nd & 8th of October. 15 days after entering level 3.

It was unfortunately short-lived as Dublin doesn't exist in a bubble and rising rates across the rest of the country brought Dublin along with it.

With all due respect you might want to check your facts before declaring what did and didn't happen.

Pubs and restaurants opened at the end of June, and bang on schedule 3 weeks later we saw cases gradually begin to rise again.

So you're validating your opinion by the saying the 14 day average dropped by 9 cases (:D Jesus Christ) after the pubs and restaurants shut and then saying Dublin went back up because the rest of the country did? You're also blaming them for the rising cases in August, this despite evidence to contrary, whilst telling me to check the facts

But, you shoot everyone else down who go on about schools and the cases associated with them?

You're also ignoring everything else I say in my posts, that dismantles your arguement and focusing on sentences that you can try and debate.

Duuuuuuuuuude...

I'll leave you be.

Cork2021 · 24-11-2020 03:50PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

To be honest though most can give it a go. I know most pubs that didn't offer food before now offer it. Sure all they have to do is get something in to open

Majority won’t be able according to the independent, the local takeaway won’t be allowed supply them. That’s what some pubs did to get open

Drumpot · 24-11-2020 03:50PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Cases are coming down at a much slower rate than earlier in the year when the schools were closed though.

I completely understand the need to keep schools open, I just don't think the evidence that they aren't a significant contributor is anywhere near as solid as portrayed.

There isn’t any definitive evidence on schools. There’s statistics and bits of information that suggests schools may not be as bad for transmission but no real efforts to understand why. There is no definitive evidence that proves Children spread the virus any less. This hasn’t been proven. Why aren’t cinemas allowed to open if 30+ people can be in a smaller room once they sit down in an orderly fashion?

The authorities have a strong motive for keeping schools open. They don’t even pretend otherwise. They have a strong motive for presenting information showing schools in as positive light possible. The methods of dealing with people with COVID in schools is different in terms of some definitions like close contacts.

The truth is that they still haven’t explained in a reasonably rational way why schools are “safe”. They just keep saying it and it’s become “fact” with little interest in properly dissecting the information and understanding it. Understanding it more would allow other things open. So I’m in a cafe for 45 minutes , have a piece of food and coffee. That’s more dangerous then being in a classroom for 7 hours with 30 other peolple? I’d love to hear the science that explains that. “There is no evidence of significant spread in schools” is nice, why is that? If you can’t explain it, then you don’t understand it and you can’t confidently state that “schools are unique environments” which is effectively the unsubstantiated narrative being peddled.

I’ve said it before, I’m happy with schools being open. I’m happy my children are going to school. But I don’t believe I have seen a reasonable explanation that explains why a school environment is “safer” so I don’t support the sentiments that there is any different.

Storm 10 · 24-11-2020 03:53PM

Christmas may as well not happen going by this info

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1124/1180132-covid19-coronavirus-ireland/

MOR316 · 24-11-2020 03:56PM

"Stick Grandpa by the window"
"The worry index"
"The next two weeks are crucial"

Ahhh Lord...I'm going to get some mileage out of these quotes for sometime to come

KrustyUCC · 24-11-2020 03:56PM

Cork2021 wrote: »

Majority won’t be able according to the independent, the local takeaway won’t be allowed supply them. That’s what some pubs did to get open

Was a nice earner for both pub and takeaway

Kept two sets of jobs going but sure the government don't care about that

Cina · 24-11-2020 03:59PM

they should bring their own dinnerware
have a single person do all the serving to keep numbers down in the kitchen
stagger people sitting around the table to avoid people sitting opposite each other
have good ventilation
do not to spend too long in each other's company

Well at least I've a good excuse to get the missus to do all the work.

fits · 24-11-2020 04:02PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Was a nice earner for both pub and takeaway

Kept two sets of jobs going but sure the government don't care about that

Of course the govt does. It doesnt want to keep paying out social welfare indefinitely. Its just not possible to open everything safely at the moment. Its not the govt thats causing this, its the virus.

Eod100 · 24-11-2020 04:03PM

Storm 10 wrote: »

Christmas may as well not happen going by this info

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1124/1180132-covid19-coronavirus-ireland/

Why?

Richard Hillman · 24-11-2020 04:07PM

The government are teeing us up with this. Floating level 3 to the media and no pubs being opened. Then giving us "the good news" of €9 meals with pints.

Imagine playing games with public opinion during a time of crisis. It's Sociopathic.

Eod100 · 24-11-2020 04:09PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The government are teeing us up with this. Floating level 3 to the media and no pubs being opened. Then giving us "the good news" of €9 meals with pints.

Imagine playing games with public opinion during a time of crisis. It's Sociopathic.

Think it's more they're saying pubs that don't serve food won't open as opposed to playing games.

KrustyUCC · 24-11-2020 04:11PM

fits wrote: »

Of course the govt does. It doesnt want to keep paying out social welfare indefinitely. Its just not possible to open everything safely at the moment. Its not the govt thats causing this, its the virus.

The virus is causing a government decision to change the definition of restaurants this time around?

Funny one

They had a choice to leave things as they were and they didn't if that report comes to fruition

eagle eye · 24-11-2020 04:13PM

Eod100 wrote:

Think it's more they're saying pubs that don't serve food won't open as opposed to playing games.

No they're just floating it, looking to gauge public reaction.

bilston · 24-11-2020 04:13PM

79 new cases in Northern Ireland today. Case rate per 100,000 now down to 130.3 over the last 7 days. This is before the two week lockdown starting on Friday, hopefully case numbers could be very low by Christmas.

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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