Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

landofthetree · 24-11-2020 07:01PM

titan18 wrote: »

We won't go back into lockdown before Christmas. Even if cases went high, government wouldn't do it. How long we get into January and how severe the lockdown will be is question we should be asking

It will be bad.

Hopefully the vaccines are up and running by Jan.

eagle eye · 24-11-2020 07:01PM

Plumbthedepths wrote:

You can call the present restrictions what you wish but a lockdown they are not. Construction, schools, manufacturing, significant amount of retail open. You seem intent on constant point scoring, which achieves what exactly?

ACitizenErased wrote:

It's not a full 'lockdown'. A lot of things that were closed in March are still open. Hardly being enforced. I wouldn't call it a lockdown, more restrictions on non-essential retail and leisure.

Lol, the whole country has been call it a lockdown.

mean gene · 24-11-2020 07:01PM

Lads the next 2 weeks are critical

ElJeffe · 24-11-2020 07:02PM

Great to cases continue downward.

Not so great to see those deaths and ICU's cases up.

ElJeffe · 24-11-2020 07:04PM

landofthetree wrote: »

It will be bad.

Hopefully the vaccines are up and running by Jan.

Yeah January will be carnage for the health system unfortunately.

Ficheall · 24-11-2020 07:04PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

It's not a full 'lockdown'. A lot of things that were closed in March are still open. Hardly being enforced. I wouldn't call it a lockdown, more restrictions on non-essential retail and leisure.

So when you're saying it's delusional to expect another "lockdown", what do you mean by "lockdown"? As in, apparently we can go to level 5 and you wouldn't call it a lockdown, and therefore level 5 is not delusional, so what are you actually saying would be utterly delusional to expect?

This is the only reason I care, and undefined goalposts make things trickier:

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Ill eat my shoes live on youtube if we go into national lockdown

Plumbthedepths · 24-11-2020 07:05PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Lol, the whole country has been call it a lockdown.

lol, buts it not though. One could argue March to May was but this certainly isn't.

Marty Bird · 24-11-2020 07:05PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Lol, the whole country has been call it a lockdown.

This time around it’s not a lockdown non essential retail and restaurants, gyms closed back March/April that was lockdown nothing open and everything closed apart from supermarkets and hospitals.

cameramonkey · 24-11-2020 07:05PM

Donegal will be overrun by 6 counties holiday makers and holiday home owners at the Christmas.

Hulk Hands · 24-11-2020 07:05PM

seamus wrote: »

Donegal WTF.

I said it weeks ago, but only half in jest, now I'm more serious; Donegal may have to wait out Xmas in level 5

And facilitate an even greater number of trips into NI?

Lifford and Strabane are basically the same town and Strabane has been a mess since the start. Very little Donegal can do given its location, and dependency (through our faults) on NI. Its numbers are not even that out of line. They don't deserve punishment and it'll scarcely work regardless

BringBackMick · 24-11-2020 07:06PM

They are good numbers.

Trend is good, and swabs today will lead one to believe another fairly low number tomorrow....this will mean when decisions are being made on Friday cases will be fairly low.....this gives the chance of restaurants and gastros opening next Wednesday a better chance....

Ficheall · 24-11-2020 07:07PM

seamus wrote: »

Donegal WTF.

I said it weeks ago, but only half in jest, now I'm more serious; Donegal may have to wait out Xmas in level 5

I think the reporting is patchy - it's been very up and down for ages.

BringBackMick · 24-11-2020 07:07PM

Donegal has been stubborn but hopefully with 2 weeks of harsh lockdowns in NI it'll stem things up there a bit.

John O.Groats · 24-11-2020 07:10PM

manniot2 wrote: »

So soon after xmas intercountry travel (and most likely restaurants) will be banned again. On what basis? Why in the name of god are we putting lockdown plans in place for a period in the future when we have no idea what the virus level will be at. Absolute lunacy, anyone that takes this nonsense seriously needs their heads examined.

Why is that? Given the loosening of restrictions that will be happening during December another large rise in positive cases is inevitable as is a return to level 5 restrictions in Jan/Feb.

froog · 24-11-2020 07:14PM

one more lockdown in jan/feb, then a gradual easing of restrictions as we vaccinate.

nearly there lads.

hmmm · 24-11-2020 07:14PM

Hulk Hands wrote: »

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Lifford and Strabane are basically the same town and Strabane has been a mess since the start. Very little Donegal can do given its location, and dependency (through our faults) on NI. Its numbers are not even that out of line. They don't deserve punishment and it'll scarcely work regardless

No-ones talking about punishment, and the issues in Donegal being so closely interlinked with NI is obvious. But it's an outlier right now (and not its fault).

Plumbthedepths · 24-11-2020 07:17PM

ElJeffe wrote: »

Yeah January will be carnage for the health system unfortunately.

Normal winter so.

Kermit.de.frog · 24-11-2020 07:17PM

853 new recorded deaths in Italy. That's knocking on the door of the record in Spring.

608 in the UK.

Hopefully distribution of any vaccine is as prompt as possible to see positive benefits by the Spring.

Hulk Hands · 24-11-2020 07:18PM

John O.Groats wrote: »

Why is that? Given the loosening of restrictions that will be happening during December another large rise in positive cases is inevitable as is a return to level 5 restrictions in Jan/Feb.

It's not inevitable whatsoever. How long did it take us to go from 200 to 1k cases per day last time?

Staying in lockdown indefinitely to avoid entering another lockdown is one of the stupidest things ive ever heard

Arghus · 24-11-2020 07:19PM

hmmm wrote: »

I'm hoping it doesn't go on that long, but I agree it's going to be into 2021. The vaccines are coming, and hopefully they will make a big impact - it'll just take a bit of time.

We're again having what I consider to be daft discussions about opening pubs and so on. It's not going to happen, and dangling reopening in front of businesses knowing full well they will probably have to shut again is completely unfair. But this will be the third time we've done this so clearly the politicians never learn. The pubs now want a guarantee that if they reopen they will not have to close - perfectly fair request, impossible for the government to give and they should be saying that now.

If I was a business owner in indoor hospitality, I'd be all over my industry body to get compensation from the government to allow them remain closed until perhaps March 2021, and only plan to possibly reopen from that point with progressive lifting of restrictions as the vaccines arrive and are deployed.

The repetitive nature of these discussions is really quite amazing. They are essentially re-runs of the same conversations that were had in the early Summer and the echoes are seen all through this thread as well: why can't we open up and why is it taking so long?

What you suggest re specific income supports for pubs/hospitality is the most sensible approach, but the government has dithered and dithered and prevaricated on making a hard decision. There needs to be a dose of realism involved. It's not fair on anyone involved to just keep dangling the prospect of reopening out there, but, I have total faith in their ability to eventually botch the decision.

ElJeffe · 24-11-2020 07:20PM

Yeah things falling apart in Italy and the UK rapidly now. Our government, NPHET and the HSE have done a wonderful job.

Cluedo Monopoly · 24-11-2020 07:23PM

ElJeffe wrote: »

Yeah things falling apart in Italy and the UK rapidly now. Our government, NPHET and the HSE have done a wonderful job.

I would give 90% of the credit to the Irish people.

Polar101 · 24-11-2020 07:24PM

giveitholly wrote: »

Is this guy reliable? Great news if true

I don't know about the source, but there are no approvals for vaccines yet, so it doesn't sound like it could be true.

CruelSummer · 24-11-2020 07:25PM

ElJeffe wrote: »

Yeah January will be carnage for the health system unfortunately.

January is always carnage for the health system.

Ficheall · 24-11-2020 07:27PM

Hulk Hands wrote: »

It's not inevitable whatsoever. How long did it take us to go from 200 to 1k cases per day last time?

About a month. Or 3 weeks from 300 to 1k.

screamer · 24-11-2020 07:28PM

ElJeffe wrote: »

Yeah things falling apart in Italy and the UK rapidly now. Our government, NPHET and the HSE have done a wonderful job.

Oh yes a wonderful job wrecking the economy. In years to come we’ll see if they’re remembered fondly for their “actions” or remembered with anger for destroying the country for future generations and saddling them with crippling debt.

bilston · 24-11-2020 07:28PM

ElJeffe wrote: »

Yeah things falling apart in Italy and the UK rapidly now.

Can't speak for Italy, but case numbers have dropped significantly in the UK, as ever deaths are an echo of what happened a month ago. I wouldnt say things are falling apart in the UK at all.

That said Christmas concerns me.

Cork2021 · 24-11-2020 07:28PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

853 new recorded deaths in Italy. That's knocking on the door of the record in Spring.

608 in the UK.

Hopefully distribution of any vaccine is as prompt as possible to see positive benefits by the Spring.

Your like an unwanted brown trout in your jocks!!’

John O.Groats · 24-11-2020 07:28PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

January is always carnage for the health system.

Yes but it will be even more so this time around.

wadacrack · 24-11-2020 07:30PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

853 new recorded deaths in Italy. That's knocking on the door of the record in Spring.

608 in the UK.

Hopefully distribution of any vaccine is as prompt as possible to see positive benefits by the Spring.

This is why we should remain cautious Late December/January

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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