Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Help Keep Boards Alive. Support us by going ad free today. See here: https://subscriptions.boards.ie/

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

1207208210212213328

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,782 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Such entitled nonsense! I'd imagine you lads would have been the kids to kick the dog around the house on Christmas morning because your ma couldn't get you a PS5!

    Good news for the rest of us that you'll be leaving your misery at home with you while the rest of us are enjoying our Christmas with a few Chicken Wings, Arthur G. and The Fairytale of New York! Can't wait!

    For an hour.

    Misery.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,247 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Such entitled nonsense! I'd imagine you lads would have been the kids to kick the dog around the house on Christmas morning because your ma couldn't get you a PS5!

    Good news for the rest of us that you'll be leaving your misery at home with you while the rest of us are enjoying our Christmas with a few Chicken Wings, Arthur G. and The Fairytale of New York! Can't wait!

    Or our simple pleasure at christmas is spending time with family and friends over a few pints in the true spirit of christmas , without a load of double priced slop. We dont expect much or big gifts etc.. its about togetherness,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,461 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    its about togetherness

    Amazing! Then you don't need pubs at all! Christmas saved!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,782 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Amazing! Then you don't need pubs at all! Christmas saved!!!

    You need to stop drinking the government propaganda kool-aid pal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,450 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    You need to stop drinking the government propaganda kool-aid pal.

    But but , he’ll be having delicious creamy and succulent pints with his ****e pizza in a few days. He doesn’t care what the rest of us think


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,926 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    Just because your closed doesn't mean bills stop.
    The elephant in the room. I don't foresee landlords writing off an entire year's worth of unpaid rent, and if they don't there is the prospect of the majority of publicans going bankrupt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,461 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    You need to stop drinking the government propaganda kool-aid pal.

    I'm just pointing out what the poster said.

    If Christmas is about togetherness for him, then he'll have a great Christmas with or without Chicken Wings in the pub.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭LuasSimon


    Would many houses not be better off without alcohol at Christmas anyways??


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    LuasSimon wrote: »
    Would many houses not be better off without alcohol at Christmas anyways??

    You`ll probably be burned at the stake for heresy for stating that on this thread but yes you`re absolutely correct.


  • Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    LuasSimon wrote: »
    Would many houses not be better off without alcohol at Christmas anyways??

    That's not for the state to decide. And of course closing pubs does absolutely nothing to do the supply of alcohol anyway


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Wet pubs.

    You mean a pub.

    I believe the term "Wet Pubs" was formed to try and subconsciously link it with "Wet Markets", which of course was the source of the Wuhan Virus. It's a negative term. I would love to know who first came up with the phrase.


  • Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This comment appeared on the Journal this morning. Thought I'd share the perspective of a publican at the end of his tether, outlining the alarming disconnect between elitists like NPHET and the regular Joe. Only a stuffin turkey couldn't appreciate his struggle:

    Would this government please show us Publicans a bit of respect & stop calling us wet pubs. We are traditional pubs. Traditional means “existing in or as part of a tradition; long-established” We have been disrespected by them since this began. This has to stop. Publicans have bent over backwards to please everyone & to get our pubs in order, but to no avail.
    There is no more risk in a traditional pub of spreading the so called virus (please show me where you get this proof) as there is in a restaurant. If they thought for one minute there was they would stop the sale of alcohol in restaurants.
    It is very obvious that none of these people have been in a pub for a long time, pubs have changed in the last 10 years. It is ok for 30 kids in a classroom, it is ok for 30 players on a pitch etc, but it is not ok for 4 friends to have a quiet drink in a corner. It is time this government got real. What they are actually saying is, people that go to traditional pubs are working class & cannot control themselves, so they must do it for them. What an insult.
    It makes absolutely no sense to open a restaurant & not a pub, but the only reason I can think of is that they themselves need somewhere to go & would not be going to a pub to mix with the working class.
    To save the world, we close the pubs, never mind the health & financial affects this has on the publicans. I hope they have a good Xmas, because not one Publican will enjoy theirs. Pure spite from our Government & NPHET.


  • Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    LuasSimon wrote: »
    Would many houses not be better off without alcohol at Christmas anyways??

    That may be true, but closing the traditional pub won't change that. And many of us enjoy a glass of wine with the Christmas dinner or a can of beer while restraining the urge to beat our wives and children. Hell even my wife has been known to drink a glass of wine! I know it's hard to believe in your handmaid's tale world :D

    I just feel bad for the traditional pub, but some establishments I just don't see how they can realistically operate safely. Some can. With the pent up demand the pubs would be bedlam if they did open. It's a tough one. And "wet pub" is a ridiculous term.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,534 ✭✭✭Chalk McHugh


    This comment appeared on the Journal this morning. Thought I'd share the perspective of a publican at the end of his tether, outlining the alarming disconnect between elitists like NPHET and the regular Joe. Only a stuffin turkey couldn't appreciate his struggle:

    Would this government please show us Publicans a bit of respect & stop calling us wet pubs. We are traditional pubs. Traditional means “existing in or as part of a tradition; long-established” We have been disrespected by them since this began. This has to stop. Publicans have bent over backwards to please everyone & to get our pubs in order, but to no avail.
    There is no more risk in a traditional pub of spreading the so called virus (please show me where you get this proof) as there is in a restaurant. If they thought for one minute there was they would stop the sale of alcohol in restaurants.
    It is very obvious that none of these people have been in a pub for a long time, pubs have changed in the last 10 years. It is ok for 30 kids in a classroom, it is ok for 30 players on a pitch etc, but it is not ok for 4 friends to have a quiet drink in a corner. It is time this government got real. What they are actually saying is, people that go to traditional pubs are working class & cannot control themselves, so they must do it for them. What an insult.
    It makes absolutely no sense to open a restaurant & not a pub, but the only reason I can think of is that they themselves need somewhere to go & would not be going to a pub to mix with the working class.
    To save the world, we close the pubs, never mind the health & financial affects this has on the publicans. I hope they have a good Xmas, because not one Publican will enjoy theirs. Pure spite from our Government & NPHET.

    It's ridiculous. I must been in over 20 pubs (not 20 seperate pubs but visited some a few different times) during level 2 and a few hotels. I've friends in the city drinking in them almost every day and none of us know anyone that got covid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,450 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Great advert but pity most won’t be allowed open!

    https://twitter.com/drinksireland/status/1331166413248221186?s=21


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,753 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    Also hate the term "wet" pubs. The only reason for any differentiation, iirc, was because there was too much of blur between a restaurant and a pub that served food.

    I'll miss the buzz of that last working day (for the trades at least) when the bar was packed and all the lads were out. Or the old school friends home for Christmas meeting up Christmas Eve. That's not going to happen whether the pubs are allowed to open or not - or at least under compliance with the restrictions that will be required.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 297 ✭✭SB71


    Indeed a tragic state of affairs, everyone at this stage knows full well that NPHET and Holohan in particular doesn't like pubs one bit, and it would kill him to recommend they open, why he has singled out pubs and travel is anyone's guess, but this is what publicans are up against.

    Now what's even worse, is you have a farce of a coalition government who all hate each other, but the desire and lust for power has them all in government together, knowing full well that if an election was to be called next week they would all get annihilated, since they took office they have presided over one disaster after another, a complete and utter clusterf*ck of a coalition government, so instead of having any sort of backbone, asides from that one time they defied NPHET, pretty much every single time they have gone along with everything NPHET has recommended,after a while people quite rightly began to question NPHET's outdated irrational approach, other medical experts have come out publicly and called for a radical rethink of the current approach, but have been ignored.

    Meanwhile we're into the festive season, businesses have suffered badly this year and many have closed for good, but none so more than your traditional pub especially those in Dublin,yet they persist with this absolute and utter nonsense that pubs are some sort of "super spreader" without offering up any sort of evidence to back up these claims, so the tragic outcome is that if they continue on like this more and more pubs will close for good, i fear my local will be one of them too, the owner is on his knees financially and cant hang in there for much longer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,461 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    I don't know about all you misery-guts here, but if the pubs open in any capacity this Xmas i'll be there making the most of a far-from-ideal situation and enjoying my Christmas!

    Feel free to sit at hope crying into your cans of Lidl beer and listening to the ALex Jones Christmas Special. I'll be in the boozer, munching on Chicken Wings, skulling a few pints and hanging out with those close to me.

    Cheer up lads. It's Christmas!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    This comment appeared on the Journal this morning. Thought I'd share the perspective of a publican at the end of his tether, outlining the alarming disconnect between elitists like NPHET and the regular Joe. Only a stuffin turkey couldn't appreciate his struggle:

    Would this government please show us Publicans a bit of respect & stop calling us wet pubs. We are traditional pubs. Traditional means “existing in or as part of a tradition; long-established” We have been disrespected by them since this began. This has to stop. Publicans have bent over backwards to please everyone & to get our pubs in order, but to no avail.
    There is no more risk in a traditional pub of spreading the so called virus (please show me where you get this proof) as there is in a restaurant. If they thought for one minute there was they would stop the sale of alcohol in restaurants.
    It is very obvious that none of these people have been in a pub for a long time, pubs have changed in the last 10 years. It is ok for 30 kids in a classroom, it is ok for 30 players on a pitch etc, but it is not ok for 4 friends to have a quiet drink in a corner. It is time this government got real. What they are actually saying is, people that go to traditional pubs are working class & cannot control themselves, so they must do it for them. What an insult.
    It makes absolutely no sense to open a restaurant & not a pub, but the only reason I can think of is that they themselves need somewhere to go & would not be going to a pub to mix with the working class.
    To save the world, we close the pubs, never mind the health & financial affects this has on the publicans. I hope they have a good Xmas, because not one Publican will enjoy theirs. Pure spite from our Government & NPHET.

    The "so called virus"? Meaning that he doesn`t believe there actually is a covid virus circulating through the world? if so then all the rest of his comments are invalid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,386 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    I believe the term "Wet Pubs" was formed to try and subconsciously link it with "Wet Markets",
    The term "wet pubs" is quite old, you can search google using the date function to show this.

    You will also see that eddie rockets enforced the €9 substantial meal laws about 10 years ago.


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,630 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    SB71 wrote: »
    Meanwhile we're into the festive season, businesses have suffered badly this year and many have closed for good, but none so more than your traditional pub especially those in Dublin,yet they persist with this absolute and utter nonsense that pubs are some sort of "super spreader" without offering up any sort of evidence to back up these claims, so the tragic outcome is that if they continue on like this more and more pubs will close for good, i fear my local will be one of them too, the owner is on his knees financially and cant hang in there for much longer.

    Pubs got the worst treatment of any industry during COVID.

    There was never a clear message for when they could open. Closing pubs with 2 days notice on Paddy's week, all the faffing around pushing out dates, having publicans investing in social distancing measures and food for the whole "€9 meal" b*llocks, then only to open and close again within 2 weeks, the same two weeks the schools reopened.

    If the government said "Look, you're closed for the remainder of the year, unless we say otherwise", publicans could have at least planned for this.
    Absolute joke from start to finish.
    rubadub wrote: »
    The term "wet pubs" is quite old, you can search google using the date function to show this.

    It's an industry term I thought, wet because they primarily serve drink, not food.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,450 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    I don't know about all you misery-guts here, but if the pubs open in any capacity this Xmas i'll be there making the most of a far-from-ideal situation and enjoying my Christmas!

    Feel free to sit at hope crying into your cans of Lidl beer and listening to the ALex Jones Christmas Special. I'll be in the boozer, munching on Chicken Wings, skulling a few pints and hanging out with those close to me.

    Cheer up lads. It's Christmas!

    I will of course support my local if he’s able to reopen with the takeaway supplying the food for him, but that looks like it could be stopped!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 762 ✭✭✭aziz


    [QUOTE=

    Meanwhile we're into the festive season, businesses have suffered badly this year and many have closed for good, but none so more than your traditional pub especially those in Dublin,yet they persist with this absolute and utter nonsense that pubs are some sort of "super spreader" without offering up any sort of evidence to back up these claims, so the tragic outcome is that if they continue on like this more and more pubs will close for good, i fear my local will be one of them too, the owner is on his knees financially and cant hang in there for much longer.[/QUOTE]

    “But,but that pub in Cork”
    Yeah right,one bad apple shouldn’t ruin the whole harvest


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭the rock29


    Licensed Vintners Association

    Proposals will allow Berlin D2 to open again, while keeping pubs like Grogans closed
    250 Dublin pubs closed for 252 days, including iconic venues like Grogans, McDaids and O’Donoghues

    Government guidelines recognise restaurants, food pubs and wet pubs as “controlled environments”

    New proposals to keep wet pubs closed in December while restaurants reopen will see Berlin D2 trading again while the likes of Grogans remains closed, according to the Licensed Vintners Association (LVA).

    Following media reports suggesting that the Government plan on keeping ‘wet’ pubs shut, the LVA cited the recent report from the Health Information and Quality Authority (HIQA), which shows there is no evidence that ‘wet’ pubs pose a greater risk than restaurants.

    Berlin D2 operates on a restaurant licence, which allowed it to reopen during the summer. Grogans on the other hand has now been shut by the Government restrictions for 252 consecutive days since the middle of March.

    Approximately 250 ‘wet’ pubs in Dublin have kept closed during that period, including iconic venues such as Grogans, McDaids and O’Donoghues on Merrion Row. While other ‘wet’ pubs across Ireland were only open for just over 2 weeks across the eight months since the crisis began.

    The LVA notes that the Government guidelines for restaurants, food pubs and wet pubs recognises all these premises as “controlled environments”. All these venues share the same Government guidelines relating to:

    Social/ physical distancing requirements.
    Lengths of stay.
    Use of PPE and sanitiser.
    Table service only.
    No counter service.
    “The HIQA report doesn’t show any evidence that ‘wet’ pubs pose a greater risk than restaurants, while the Government’s own guidelines acknowledge wet pubs and restaurants as being “controlled environments”,” said Donall O’Keeffe, Chief Executive of the LVA. “The Government’s guidelines even have the same regulations in place for restaurants and wet pubs – the same social distancing, the same lengths of stay, the same use of PPE and the same provision for table service only.

    “Yet if current media reports are to be believed then the Government is gearing up to punish the pubs that have remained closed for the last eight months. “How is it fair that the Government seems intent on allowing the likes of Berlin D2 to trade, while keeping venues that have been impeccable during this crisis like Grogans closed?

    “If the Government adopt this approach, what they are saying is that they don’t trust publicans, pub staff or pub goers to follow the guidelines. It will be a formal indication from Government that they think of pubs as ‘lesser’. Such an approach would strike us as a very obvious and discriminatory restraint of trade position if it were to be adopted by the Government. It is also a position that the pub trade can never accept,” Mr. O’Keeffe concluded.

    #KEEPTHELIGHTSON – PUBS TURNING ON THEIR CHRISTMAS LIGHTS TONIGHT AT 5PM TO HIGHLIGHT READINESS FOR A SAFE REOPENING
    © 2020 Licensed Vintners Association | Sitemap | Privacy Policy | Website maintained by Cogency


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    What is the actual legal reason that the vintners cannot, ( at this stage, bearing in mind the length of time they've been closed now) instruct their members to open, within the given guidelines, next week? Genuinely interested. Is it fear of the gardai knocking at the door? Is it fear of pissing off our lawmakers?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,461 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    The "so called virus"? Meaning that he doesn`t believe there actually is a covid virus circulating through the world? if so then all the rest of his comments are invalid.

    Apparently your belief in the virus is connected to the size of your mickey!

    Or an absolute stallion packing 8+inches saying, "we need to listen to the experts. This virus is real.......

    Although the post does go on to make a little sense......
    Some serious questions need to be asked.

    Indeed they do!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭Degag


    What is the actual legal reason that the vintners cannot, ( at this stage, bearing in mind the length of time they've been closed now) instruct their members to open, within the given guidelines, next week? Genuinely interested. Is it fear of the gardai knocking at the door? Is it fear of pissing off our lawmakers?
    The legal reason is that it would be illegal i presume.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Suckit wrote: »
    23 if it's the same one i'm thinking of.

    23 deaths from one pub and it’s not being publicised by Dr Death on the daily??


  • Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Tough luck on the publicans. Disaster for them. Bad news for bar flies too.


  • Advertisement
  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    You`ll probably be burned at the stake for heresy for stating that on this thread but yes you`re absolutely correct.

    Are offies closing? When did they announce that??


This discussion has been closed.
Advertisement