All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

ShatterAlan wrote: »

You really do sound like you're on the brink of hysteria. Every post from you reads like a tantrum.


I don't believe everything I'm told. I didn't say I believed nothing I'm told.


And the players that these guys are commentating on get pretty close to each other hugging and kissing when they score a goal and they're all hyperventilating.

I didn't see much distancing between Lewis Hamilton and his crew celebrating his 7th title. Maybe highly paid sports people are immune.



I don't see a lot of social distancing in the Strictly Come Dancing studio. I guess it's pretty hard to do the tango when you're 2 metres apart. Maybe they were recorded before March, I don't know. Not that I watch the show but you do flick past it.

And if tests aren't infallible then why even have them. I read that Elon Musk had four tests. 2 positive and 2 negative. If the test has a 50% success rate then what's the point?

The 4 tests Elon Musk took that gave the different results were Rapid Antigen Tests.
He then took a PCR test after to get an accurate test result.
PCR is what the HSE use here so his results have no basis when discussing what Ireland/HSE are at.

Dohnjoe wrote: »

More insults



To test people for Corona. The tests themselves aren't 100%, but they are close enough to it. All of this stuff is pretty common sense, why do you have such an issue with it?

Is there a conspiracy?

The PCr test is mostly bull though. It detects if there’s a bit of virus gene in your respiratory tract. It doesn’t tell you if you are infectious or symptomatic. The fact is 4 out of 5 people who get covid don’t even know they have it. By the time the vaccine comes around the whole world will have had it. Of course, for a company like Moderna and it’s investors, they need this vaccine...funny it became the most valuable biotech company ever after its IPO in 2018 despite never having sold a drug or even got one approved. Someone knew.



https://www.thrillist.com/tech/nation/what-does-moderna-therapeutics-do-why-is-it-a-silicon-valley-secret

Dohnjoe wrote: »

80% of cases are mild or asymptomatic (15% severe, 5% critical). I know several people now who've had very mild symptoms and tested positive. It's also why testing of people with no symptoms is important and taking place in many countries. Scientists and experts speculate that as high as 10% of the world pop may have had Covid, if it's the case it means the other 90% are susceptible, which is why a vaccine is essential. I don't know many people who don't especially want their parents, grandparents and older relatives vaccinated, do you?

It’s mass hysteria. Why don’t we test everybody for all the flu strains and give a running tally every day on the media. Those would be some scary numbers too. Remember this is all about control and fear to implement the communist agenda.

pearcider wrote: »

Remember this is all about control and fear to implement the communist agenda.

Please explain how this communist agenda will be implemented.

It used to be that you needed a Doctors cert if you missed work due too sickness to prove you were indeed sick.

Now we will need to prove we are healthy in order to be able to work.....Odds are this will be roled out in many countries.

‘could be banned from going into work if they refuse Covid jab’

https://metro.co.uk/2020/11/13/covid-vaccine-refusal-could-result-in-ban-from-going-to-work-13587535/

Dohnjoe wrote: »

There's a highly contagious disease floating about right now. One infected person coming into an office can infect a lot of people, so it only makes sense that there are discussions about health certs.

Don't you find it curious that conspiracy theory types are the only people who cannot understand basic common sense like this, and on top of that, by some remarkable coincidence, they seem to see a nefarious evil conspiracy in almost everything..

it's not conspiracy when these things are happening right before our eyes.


A Black Mirror style society is not something we should be wishing for.

The Nal wrote: »

Please explain how this communist agenda will be implemented.

It’s already mostly implemented and there’s nothing anybody can do about it. It’s already such a late hour that the party of Davos are not even hiding it now. In 2030 you will own nothing, you will have no privacy and you will be happy. As Bernard Shaw correctly pointed out more than a century ago “socialism will come by prosaic installments of public regulation and public administration enacted by ordinary parliaments”

I can see certain measures being relaxed but other ones kept in place.


In Amsterdam they have reduced the time to buy alcohol to 8pm with the latest lockdown. Why makes no sense. It just means you have to go to the supermarket earlier to get your beer or wine. Supermarkets close at 10pm but you could still get a 6pack or a bottle of wine at the nightshop until 2am. Now that's been stopped.



There are rumblings that the 8pm curfew will be made permanent......going down the Swedish route.



One has to ask cui bono or follow the money. Obviously vaccine companies will make out like bandits financially but is there also an element of fear/control that governments can exploit.


If you had sinister motives and the ability to implement measures for your own advantage how might you exploit this pandemic situation?

ShatterAlan wrote: »

There are rumblings that the 8pm curfew will be made permanent......going down the Swedish route.

Rumblings? source for this?

Why would there be a permanent 8 pm curfew? explain properly

Obviously vaccine companies will make out like bandits financially but is there also an element of fear/control that governments can exploit.

There is a pandemic, we need a vaccine. Why are the companies making the vaccines suddenly "evil"? why does the government want to exploit this?

Why are your views above to full of fear and alarmism when there are perfectly plausible and common sense explanations to these things?

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Rumblings? source for this?

Why would there be a permanent 8 pm curfew? explain properly



There is a pandemic, we need a vaccine. Why are the companies making the vaccines suddenly "evil"? why does the government want to exploit this?

Why are your views above to full of fear and alarmism when there are perfectly plausible and common sense explanations to these things?

There's a 10pm curfew in Ireland, isn't there? Brought in some years ago to supposedly cut down on anti-social behaviour. How did that work out?



In Sweden you can only buy alcohol Monday to Friday up until 7pm in an off-license and only until 3pm on Saturday. On Sunday they are closed so you are sh1t out of luck.

ShatterAlan wrote: »

There's a 10pm curfew in Ireland, isn't there? Brought in some years ago to supposedly cut down on anti-social behaviour. How did that work out?

I'll ask again, the "rumblings", sources for that?

Why would an 8pm curfew be permanent? what would the reason be?

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Don't you EVER calm down?

I'm perfectly calm.

And governments and business exploit people all the time. It's what they do. Power and control goes with the territory. It is only kept in check through dissent and failing that upheaval. Governments acquiesce to the will of the people only when the centre cannot hold.....Same sex marriage, Repeal the 8th, divorce, contraception, water charges. Freedom isn't granted, it's taken.

Your personal opinion and world view.

What measures were introduced after 911 in the US that never went away nearly 20 years on? DHS, TSA, warrantless wiretapping, USA PATRIOT ACT (that is frequently used to ensnare people with no suspicion of terrorist activities, e.g Eliot Spitzer), ridiculous body scanners and liquid restrictions at airports, etc. What do these measure accomplish and who benefits from them?

That's because terrorism is a constant threat.

Why would they keep a curfew of 8pm when the pandemic has gone, what would be the purpose?

Dohnjoe wrote: »

I'm perfectly calm.



Your personal opinion and world view.



That's because terrorism is a constant threat.

Why would they keep a curfew of 8pm when the pandemic has gone, what would be the purpose?

Why would they introduce it in the first place?

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Ah I read it as a general curfew



It's easy to find this information, e.g.
https://nltimes.nl/2020/10/24/dutch-hotels-barred-serving-alcohol-8-pm-closing-lockdown-loophole

So what does the cut-off of the sale of alcohol at 8pm accomplish exactly?


Young people still congregate in outdoor areas they just buy their beer earlier or enough to last them the night should they have previously run out and made a beer run to the night-shop.


There's some justification for closing hotel bars as it cuts down on gatherings in places like that the same as regular bars and restaurants but what possibly can the 8pm cutoff in supermarkets accomplish? I'm damned if I know.



There's a beer taxi in Amsterdam. You call them up and they deliver beer and wine to your house at any hour. You could be having a late night binge watching tv and call them up and they will come by with a case of Heineken at 3am if you want. Now they can't do that. No booze after 8pm from anywhere. Can you explain the logic behind this? It doesn't serve any purpose that I can see other than to inconvenience people. It doesn't cut down on house parties or any other kind of gatherings, it doesn't eliminate public drinking...I still see people sitting by the canals at midnight with bags of cans enjoying themselves.



What is the reason?

King Mob wrote: »

Is it part of the New World Order plot?

What's your explaination for all these curfews?

You keep demanding answers, yet always dodge questions.

You're the one coming up with this New World Order talk, not me.



I'm not avoiding any questions other than the stupid ones that you seem hellbent on asking.



I asked what purpose restricting alcohol sales to 8pm has.This measure wasn't introduced in March. If you don't have any meaningful contribution to that question other than to shoot back with a rubbish retort like "do you think the lizard people are trying to slowly turn us all into teetotalers?" then I would rather you pestered someone else.