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    #32
    King Mob
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    harrylittle wrote: »
    a push for a global vaccine is no small event ... we have not witnessed this event in modern history and probably not in world history.

    this prophecy predicted such an event so in my estimation it has fullfilled this prophecy.


    anyhow here's the link enjoy the research .....

    http://http://mybookoftruth.com/
    Sorry, you've not answered my questions at all. You dodged them pretty completely. That's pretty typical dishonest behaviour from conspiracy theorists. Please go back and try to answer my questions in full.

    Also, I like how you say that it predicted the event, yet it very clearly didn't.
    Their wicked plans also include a new global vaccination which will create disease all over the world to cause suffering on a scale never seen before.
    Here it's saying that the vaccination caused the disease, but we can clearly see the vaccine came first.

    There's no mention in your prophesy at all that there would be a global disease first.
    You'd think that would be an important detail.

    Instead it just repeats the same tired old claim you guys make every pandemic.


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    #33
    harrylittle
    Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭harrylittle


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    There's a virus. As humans we have the ability to fight the virus by creating a vaccine. Ergo we are creating a vaccine.

    What part of that equation do you not understand?

    Why is creating this vaccine so "evil" according to you?

    Humans have being fighting viruses from day one its called an immune system . how come millions got the covid virus and recovered.... immune system ?

    why the need for a rushed vaccine with untested long term effects to be implemented globally with everyone strongly encouraged to take it.

    is there any evidence to say that the vaccine actually works ?


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    #34
    King Mob
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    harrylittle wrote: »
    Humans have being fighting viruses from day one its called an immune system . how come millions got the covid virus and recovered.... immune system ?

    why the need for a rushed vaccine with untested long term effects to be implemented globally with everyone strongly encouraged to take it.

    is there any evidence to say that the vaccine actually works ?
    Do you not know how vaccines work?

    It kinda sounds like you don't know how they work....


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    #35
    harrylittle
    Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭harrylittle


    King Mob wrote: »
    Do you not know how vaccines work?

    It kinda sounds like you don't know how they work....

    ok tell us how they do work


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    #36
    Xtrail14
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    China are working on COVID 21 vaccine


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    #37
    King Mob
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    harrylittle wrote: »
    ok tell us how they do work
    By using the immune system.

    Why are you so fearful of vaccines when you don't know the literal first thing about them?
    Doesn't that kinda worry you?


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    #38
    harrylittle
    Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭harrylittle


    King Mob wrote: »
    By using the immune system.

    Why are you so fearful of vaccines when you don't know the literal first thing about them?
    Doesn't that kinda worry you?

    What worries me is governments what to inject me with a vaccine that's rushed out with a few months of research with no long term testing , no real evidence that the vaccine actually works and worst of all the companies making the vaccine are free from liability and a computer guy also involved in making vaccines grinning from ear to ear while lecturing about global depopulation on ted talks.


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    #39
    King Mob
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    harrylittle wrote: »
    no real evidence that the vaccine actually works
    .
    But there is.

    Again, you don't understand how vaccines work. Why do you believe that you are informed about the vaccine? You are clearly not informed.

    You shouldn't be scared of things you don't understand. You should try to understand them.
    harrylittle wrote: »
    and worst of all the companies making the vaccine are free from liability and a computer guy also involved in making vaccines grinning from ear to ear while lecturing about global depopulation on ted talks.
    Lol
    Why does that concern you?
    Are you of the opinion that it's all a conspiracy to depopulate the world?
    That's very silly.


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    #40
    Fodla
    Closed Accounts Posts: 281 ✭✭Fodla


    What I find disturbing is this talk of vaccinating the world. If herd immunity (say 70%) was enough, which it is, then there'd be no talk of vaccinating 7.5 billion people. That's another red flag. They really want to vaccinate us all.


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    #41
    Xtrail14
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    Block your ring.


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    #42
    Dohnjoe
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    harrylittle wrote: »
    Humans have being fighting viruses from day one its called an immune system . how come millions got the covid virus and recovered.... immune system ?

    Yes, because they survived. However due to it's high infection rate, many have died from it, especially older people. That rate is so severe that it is threatening to overwhelm the health services in many countries, which is one of the key reasons why we had lockdown, and a second lockdown.

    Why do we need to a vaccine? so we don't have to have lockdowns, we can vaccinate and protect ourselves against it.

    It's very simple, do you have any issues understanding that?
    why the need for a rushed vaccine with untested long term effects to be implemented globally with everyone strongly encouraged to take it.

    is there any evidence to say that the vaccine actually works ?

    Yes. They test ten's of thousands of people for reach vaccine. One of the vaccines was put on pause because just one of those people had a strong reaction.


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    #43
    Dohnjoe
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    Fodla wrote: »
    What I find disturbing is this talk of vaccinating the world. If herd immunity (say 70%) was enough, which it is, then there'd be no talk of vaccinating 7.5 billion people. That's another red flag. They really want to vaccinate us all.

    This makes utterly no sense, explain your reasoning? red flag for what?

    They want enough people to take the vaccine for it to be effective. Many people will simply choose to take the vaccine. Some will not.

    Once again we're in another thread where conspiracy minded people are a) not addressing questions properly and b) not explaining their reasoning and c) religiously trying to spread fear about basic science and common sense measures and d) hinting an unspecified nefarious conspiracies that they never detail


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    #44
    naughtynaughty
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    The talk on this thread (which is on a conspiracy board of all places) really worries me. Most people here and almost everyone I know tells me that they will take the vaccine. Arguments like "oh come on it's just a vaccine" or "it won't be mandatory" are not valid. Here's what's going to happen:

    1. RTE & co will shout out "GREAT NEWS, the vaccine is here for Christmas. Please, I know you all really really want it, but let the sick and elderly get it first"
    2. Droves of people will come and take it
    3. RTE will say "Well, we have about 60% of people who took it. Great, but not enough"
    4a. The govt (which are the same entity as both NPHET and RTE) will announce restrictions on people who don't have the vaccine.
    4b. "Independent" companies such as ticketmaster and your employer will require the vaccine.
    5. The "passport" will come into effect.
    6. RTE will make the (possibly even more sedated) droves HATE the people who haven't taken the vaccine. Think hate week in 1984. This has already happened at the start with neighbours ratting on each other. They will use these tactics again and it will become increasingly stigmatised to refuse the shot.
    7. It will finally be made mandatory under stricter and stricter punishments.

    I will not take an experimental (RNA) vaccine that hasn't been tested for more than a year. I will not give up my bodily integrity to save myself from a disease which only kills 0.05% of people. Your grandma died of Covid? Sorry, I truly am, but if I was 80 and diabetic, I wouldn't want the whole economy stopping for me either. I wouldn't want to take the most beautiful years out of everyone else's lives just so I can go and die without any dignity. I would rather die proud. I will not let them inject me with anything for as long as I will live unless *I* deem it necessary. I would rather be thrown in a cage than to live in such a clown world.

    Having said that, I will find a dodgy doctor to fake my vaccination cert so I'll be good.

    I am deeply saddened and ashamed by the response of the Irish people to this. The facts are literally in your face on the news and they tell you that something that's really not that bad is the absolute worst thing ever and you just believe them, hook, line and sinker. All countries are bad but I think Ireland is probably the worst one and with the least amount of protests/most amount of compliance/most amount of fear. Just 104 years ago, we had great men who revolted against the most powerful empire on earth. And now what do we do? Just comply.


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    #45
    Fodla
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    This makes utterly no sense, explain your reasoning? red flag for what?

    They want enough people to take the vaccine for it to be effective. Many people will simply choose to take the vaccine. Some will not.

    Once again we're in another thread where conspiracy minded people are a) not addressing questions properly and b) not explaining their reasoning and c) religiously trying to spread fear about basic science and common sense measures and d) hinting an unspecified nefarious conspiracies that they never detail

    But that's the point I'm making. Based on their wanting to vaccinate 7.5 billion people, through making the vaccine mandatory, or through coercion (not being able to take part in society unless vaccinated) they are not content for enough people to take the vaccine. They want the planet to be vaccinated.

    Check out the thread about vaccines on boards. They often mention vaccinating the entire planet.

    There was an article in the New York Times today or yesterday about Bill Gates' mission to vaccinate the global population. Why does he want to do that?


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    #46
    King Mob
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    naughtynaughty wrote: »
    I will not take an experimental (RNA) vaccine that hasn't been tested for more than a year. I will not give up my bodily integrity to save myself from a disease which only kills 0.05% of people.
    Sorry, how do you know this?
    How do you know the long term effects of the virus on everyone it effects?
    How do you know that the death rate is actually this low? (It's not) And how do you know that it can't change?

    We've only had it for a year and according to you, that is not enough time to understand it.

    Seems a bit hypocritical to me.


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    #47
    Fodla
    Closed Accounts Posts: 281 ✭✭Fodla


    naughtynaughty wrote: »
    The talk on this thread (which is on a conspiracy board of all places) really worries me. Most people here and almost everyone I know tells me that they will take the vaccine. Arguments like "oh come on it's just a vaccine" or "it won't be mandatory" are not valid. Here's what's going to happen:

    1. RTE & co will shout out "GREAT NEWS, the vaccine is here for Christmas. Please, I know you all really really want it, but let the sick and elderly get it first"
    2. Droves of people will come and take it
    3. RTE will say "Well, we have about 60% of people who took it. Great, but not enough"
    4a. The govt (which are the same entity as both NPHET and RTE) will announce restrictions on people who don't have the vaccine.
    4b. "Independent" companies such as ticketmaster and your employer will require the vaccine.
    5. The "passport" will come into effect.
    6. RTE will make the (possibly even more sedated) droves HATE the people who haven't taken the vaccine. Think hate week in 1984. This has already happened at the start with neighbours ratting on each other. They will use these tactics again and it will become increasingly stigmatised to refuse the shot.
    7. It will finally be made mandatory under stricter and stricter punishments.

    I will not take an experimental (RNA) vaccine that hasn't been tested for more than a year. I will not give up my bodily integrity to save myself from a disease which only kills 0.05% of people. Your grandma died of Covid? Sorry, I truly am, but if I was 80 and diabetic, I wouldn't want the whole economy stopping for me either. I wouldn't want to take the most beautiful years out of everyone else's lives just so I can go and die without any dignity. I would rather die proud. I will not let them inject me with anything for as long as I will live unless *I* deem it necessary. I would rather be thrown in a cage than to live in such a clown world.

    Having said that, I will find a dodgy doctor to fake my vaccination cert so I'll be good.

    I am deeply saddened and ashamed by the response of the Irish people to this. The facts are literally in your face on the news and they tell you that something that's really not that bad is the absolute worst thing ever and you just believe them, hook, line and sinker. All countries are bad but I think Ireland is probably the worst one and with the least amount of protests/most amount of compliance/most amount of fear. Just 104 years ago, we had great men who revolted against the most powerful empire on earth. And now what do we do? Just comply.

    Great post. I agree with you. Ireland is screwed for a number of reasons:

    1. The political parties are identical, which means that there's no opposition to the government.

    2. There's no alternative media voice to The Irish Times, The Journal and The Irish Independent. In the UK there's Talk Radio, The Telegraph, and The Daily Mail, among others. The Daily Mail, and I don't say it's necessarily a good paper, hammered the government the other day for manipulating data and for their non-stop fear porn. Could you imagine that happening in Ireland? No chance.

    3. RTÉ is a propaganda outfit that promotes nothing but doom and gloom.

    4. Ireland is a post-propagandised country. That means the majority, as what is going on is proving, is very easy to manipulate and control.


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    #48
    King Mob
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    Fodla wrote: »
    There was an article in the New York Times today or yesterday about Bill Gates' mission to vaccinate the global population. Why does he want to do that?
    Why don't you tell us, you're the one suggesting this mad conspiracy theory.

    Is it because he wants to kill a few billion people so he and his buddies can have a new world order?


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    #49
    Jim2007
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    harrylittle wrote: »
    Every time on turn on the TV or Radio its all the vaccine ...vaccine... vaccine... the answer to all our problems.

    I guess that is what happens when you read the Dandy, the Beno and Bunty.


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    #50
    Fodla
    Closed Accounts Posts: 281 ✭✭Fodla


    King Mob wrote: »
    Why don't you tell us, you're the one suggesting this mad conspiracy theory.

    Is it because he wants to kill a few billion people so he and his buddies can have a new world order?

    I'm not advancing a conspiracy theory. I'm wondering why they (by 'they' I mean people like Gates, Fauci, scientists, politicians etc) are calling for 7.5 billion people to be vaccinated. I never mentioned anything about depopulation or a new world order. I referred to a new world order in the context of the Great Reset, but regarding vaccines, all I'm wondering is why there is a push to vaccinate 7.5 billion people.

    Why do you think they want to vaccinate the planet as opposed to being content to vaccinate 60 to 70%, of the population in order to achieve herd immunity?


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    #51
    naughtynaughty
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭naughtynaughty


    King Mob wrote: »
    Sorry, how do you know this?
    How do you know the long term effects of the virus on everyone it effects?
    How do you know that the death rate is actually this low? (It's not) And how do you know that it can't change?

    We've only had it for a year and according to you, that is not enough time to understand it.

    Seems a bit hypocritical to me.

    Seems I got that wrong actually, it's a bit higher but not much. I could have sworn I saw better stats on that from the CDC... Anyway it's still extremely low, and it doesn't change my point on my right to bodily integrity.


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    #52
    naughtynaughty
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭naughtynaughty


    Fodla wrote: »
    Great post. I agree with you. Ireland is screwed for a number of reasons:

    1. The political parties are identical, which means that there's no opposition to the government.

    2. There's no alternative media voice to The Irish Times, The Journal and The Irish Independent. In the UK there's Talk Radio, The Telegraph, and The Daily Mail, among others. The Daily Mail, and I don't say it's necessarily a good paper, hammered the government the other day for manipulating data and for their non-stop fear porn. Could you imagine that happening in Ireland? No chance.

    3. RTÉ is a propaganda outfit that promotes nothing but doom and gloom.

    4. Ireland is a post-propagandised country. That means the majority, as what is going on is proving, is very easy to manipulate and control.

    Yeah... I think I will move to UK as soon as I can. It's horrible too but at least there's some fight left.


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    #53
    Dohnjoe
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    naughtynaughty wrote: »
    I will not take an experimental (RNA) vaccine that hasn't been tested for more than a year.

    Current vaccines have each been tested on 10's of thousands of people.
    I will not give up my bodily integrity to save myself from a disease which only kills 0.05% of people.

    Yes, if you are young, you'll likely be fine, the worry is spreading it to older relatives.
    I would rather die proud. I will not let them inject me with anything for as long as I will live unless *I* deem it necessary.

    This is the same nonsense that anti-vaxxers come up with, and now we have preventable diseases like measles making a come-back.
    Just 104 years ago, we had great men who revolted against the most powerful empire on earth. And now what do we do? Just comply.

    Diseases don't care about your world views or ideals, they just spread. The best way to stop that with e.g. this current pandemic, is to socially distance, wear masks, and obviously for most people to take vaccines when they are available.


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    #54
    Jim2007
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    Fodla wrote: »
    There was an article in the New York Times today or yesterday about Bill Gates' mission to vaccinate the global population. Why does he want to do that?

    Bill Gates is not the issue at this stage, it’s Dolly Parton that should scare the hell out of you. We now know she has been funding the research for some time now, flying under the radar for ages, what is that all about?


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    #55
    Fodla
    Closed Accounts Posts: 281 ✭✭Fodla


    naughtynaughty wrote: »
    Yeah... I think I will move to UK as soon as I can. It's horrible too but at least there's some fight left.

    The problem is that there are a lot of very nice and decent people in Ireland, and the countryside is hauntingly beautiful. But the country is banjaxed and I see no hope for the country. It's not sustainable to have identical political parties, which means no real opposition, identical newspapers that all sign from the same hymn sheet.

    But I'd be wary of moving to the UK. They're set to introduce freedom passes there next month and the propaganda there is immense as well. But there have been protests there and there is some balance in the media. They even have a former Supreme Court Judge in Lord Sumption speaking out against the government. Could you imagine that happening in Ireland?


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    #56
    King Mob
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    Fodla wrote: »
    I'm not advancing a conspiracy theory. I'm wondering why they (by 'they' I mean people like Gates, Fauci, scientists, politicians etc) are calling for 7.5 billion people to be vaccinated.
    Lol. "I'm not a conspiracy theorist" "I believe they are up to something sinister."

    Sorry guy, you're a conspiracy theorist. You believe in a very silly conspiracy theory.
    Fodla wrote: »
    I never mentioned anything about depopulation or a new world order.
    So then you agree those conspiracy theories are wrong and silly, correct?
    Fodla wrote: »
    Why do you think they want to vaccinate the planet as opposed to being content to vaccinate 60 to 70%, of the population in order to achieve herd immunity?
    Well for one, you haven't show that that's what they want.
    As we've seen in the other thread, you take things out of context and apply meaning that isn't there.
    And for two, you haven't explained what you think. So please do.


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    #57
    naughtynaughty
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭naughtynaughty


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Current vaccines have each been tested on 10's of thousands of people.

    Yeah, have the long-term effects been tested? Is 10k people enough to vaccinate a whole planet?

    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Yes, if you are young, you'll likely be fine, the worry is spreading it to older relatives.

    Surely they'll be vaccinated so all good.
    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Diseases don't care about your world views or ideals, they just spread. The best way to stop that with e.g. this current pandemic, is to socially distance, wear masks, and obviously for most people to take vaccines when they are available.

    I really don't get why you'd mention masks and social distancing. I live on this planet too, don't you think I've heard that before? If masks and social distancing work so well then how come we are facing a "worse" second wave when compliance rates are through the roof? (as much as RTE would have you believe otherwise) Seriously, when was the last time you saw someone go maskless in Dunnes? Do you remember, before July not a single person wore a mask. Even my mother thought the idea of them was ridiculous.

    EDIT: Actually a little experiment: Next time you are in a shop count how many seconds you can go without hearing or reading "mask", "mandatory", "covid" or "social distancing". If you can beat my current record of 4 seconds then well done!


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    #58
    King Mob
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    naughtynaughty wrote: »
    Seems I got that wrong actually, it's a bit higher but not much. I could have sworn I saw better stats on that from the CDC... Anyway it's still extremely low, and it doesn't change my point on my right to bodily integrity.
    Not really. And you're ignoring that majority of the questions I asked you.

    And what about the bodily integrity of other people to not be infected by a virus?
    Why does your right to bodily integrity supersede other people's rights just because you have unfounded fears about a vaccine fueled mostly by antiscientific and conspiracy theory crap you've read on the internet?


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    #59
    King Mob
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    naughtynaughty wrote: »
    Yeah, have the long-term effects been tested? Is 10k people enough to vaccinate a whole planet?
    You're claiming that COVID is completely safe and without any long term effects.

    You're being very hypocritical here.


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    #60
    naughtynaughty
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭naughtynaughty


    What do you mean by unsustainable? Do you have examples of other countries that fell using a similar system?


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    #61
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,786 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Fodla wrote: »
    Based on their wanting to vaccinate 7.5 billion people,

    It's a figure of speech
    through making the vaccine mandatory

    It's not being made mandatory in general
    or through coercion (not being able to take part in society unless vaccinated) they are not content for enough people to take the vaccine. They want the planet to be vaccinated.

    No one is being coerced. You are misrepresenting things, why?

    There is a pandemic. We are producing vaccines for it. Once done, then people will take those vaccines (or not). The more people that take them the more effective they will be, hence scientists encourage it.


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