Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

giveitholly · 24-11-2020 12:05AM

Cork2021 wrote: »

But you’ll have Paddy who was just on claire Byrne saying he won’t take it but isn’t anti vax but won’t take the flu vaccine either.
These PR campaigns need to be spot on our we’ll be living like this going into 2022

Yep according to Prof Karina Butler we won't be back to normal until 2022,While most other countries are saying April/May

Cork2021 · 24-11-2020 12:07AM

ednwireland wrote: »

dont like discussion eh ?

It wasn’t discussing anything, the discussion doesn’t need negative crap before one of the biggest vaccination campaigns this country will ever see. Any anti vax rhetoric needs to be pushed all the way back!

Russman · 24-11-2020 12:07AM

dmakc wrote: »

I'm not a fan of Tony as much as anyone here. But to be fair from the outset their objective was clearly to control by fear in a state where they can't by law. Worry meter is laughable because it is. Just like anecdotal evidence consisting of looking at a carpark from his office window. They're out of ideas with the numbers coming down and so are proceeding to take the piss.

It's like a teacher in last few days of May.

I’d take or leave Tony, but in fairness it was a fu(king stupid question about having evidence that people are going back into offices, made even more stupid by his remark that the traffic data was only people in cars. It’s not something that has a metric. Question got the response it deserved imo.

MOR316 · 24-11-2020 12:13AM

giveitholly wrote: »

Yep according to Prof Karina Butler we won't be back to normal until 2022,While most other countries are saying April/May

Grand, I'll be off to one of those countries so

Russman · 24-11-2020 12:14AM

giveitholly wrote: »

Yep according to Prof Karina Butler we won't be back to normal until 2022,While most other countries are saying April/May

I think she didn’t want to set the bar too high for the HSE.
There’ll be uproar if our EU neighbours start getting back to normal and we’re lagging months behind, especially coming from a place where we’re thankfully doing better than them right now.

majcos · 24-11-2020 12:15AM

HSE operations report 23/11

Hospitalised 290 at 8pm (292 yesterday)
Letterkenny 41, James 32, Tallaght 32, Limerick 31, Vincent’s 25.

ICU 33 confirmed cases (31 yesterday)

19 ventilated (20 yesterday)

0 deaths reported from ICUs last 24 hours

mirrorwall14 · 24-11-2020 12:15AM

I’m no covid denier, we’ve been careful and I’m high risk. But Christ f this county border ****e. I want to see my family. Between lockdown 1, LOKdown and now this one I’ve been stuck in
kildare for way too freaking long and my brother is stuck in a house share in Dublin

I know it’s selfish but I’m so frustrated

Fighting Irish · 24-11-2020 12:24AM

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

I know it’s selfish but I’m so frustrated

Who isn't

political analyst · 24-11-2020 12:52AM

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1123/1180002-nphet-briefing/

NPHET's meeting has been brought forward from Thursday to Wednesday, and its advice will feed into the exit plan.

Taoiseach Micheál Martin has said an announcement will be made on Thursday or Friday.

The expectation is that the country will move to 'Level 3 plus' next week from midnight on Tuesday, 1 December.

I'm not sure - does that mean the start of the 24-hour day of Tuesday 1 December or does it mean the morning of Wednesday 2 December? If it's the latter, then why don't they just say "from the morning of Wednesday, 2 December"?!

John O.Groats · 24-11-2020 01:00AM

political analyst wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1123/1180002-nphet-briefing/

I'm not sure - does that mean the start of the 24-hour day of Tuesday 1 December or does it mean the morning of Wednesday 2 December? If it's the latter, then why don't they just say "from the morning of Wednesday, 2 December"?!

As far as I know it will be from midnight Tue 1st/Wed 2nd Dec although some seem to think it will be 24 hours earlier. We should know for sure at the end of this week.

Peter Flynt · 24-11-2020 01:01AM

Moving to Level 3?

That's just Level 5 with gyms & barbers open. . . an utter disgrace.

political analyst · 24-11-2020 01:05AM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

Moving to Level 3?

That's just Level 5 with gyms & barbers open. . . an utter disgrace.

After what happened in some towns in the aftermath of Gaelic county finals, did you really think pubs will be re-opening next week? :rolleyes:

Peter Flynt · 24-11-2020 01:07AM

political analyst wrote: »

After what happened in some towns in the aftermath of Gaelic county finals, did you really think pubs will be re-opening next week? :rolleyes:

If 1 million can attend schools then pubs can be reopened for Christmas.

Spanish Eyes · 24-11-2020 01:12AM

Such impatience and immaturity going on.

We will be able to go inter county to see our families at Christmas. Tick

The pubs will stay closed, but that's ok because that is where the uptick is coming from after eight or so months closed lol.

Will be fine in the long run, just be a bit patient and mature about it all. No one wants a huge rise in numbers post Christmas.

fleet_admiral · 24-11-2020 01:12AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Indo and others suggesting it'll be a week later. They don't want everything opening at one go

No sorry I mean pubs could open on Thursday as in they would be able to

John O.Groats · 24-11-2020 01:15AM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

If 1 million can attend schools then pubs can be reopened for Christmas.

Do you seriously believe they are in any way comparable?

political analyst · 24-11-2020 01:21AM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

If 1 million can attend schools then pubs can be reopened for Christmas.

The difference is that schools, unlike pubs, have discipline, thus ensuring adherence to distancing and face-covering, and don't facilitate the consumption of alcohol .

Richard Hillman · 24-11-2020 01:39AM

Level 3 is not acceptable. Under no circumstances is level 3 acceptable. Even if Tony Holohans magic Worry Index is at -7,it is not acceptable.

Arghus · 24-11-2020 02:01AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Level 3 is not acceptable. Under no circumstances is level 3 acceptable. Even if Tony Holohans magic Worry Index is at -7,it is not acceptable.

Is it not acceptable? Why?

We had level 2 for a period earlier in the year and coming off even far lower case numbers than we have now cases still rose and rose, eventually requiring more stringent restrictions.

Surely with that in mind level 3 has to be at least tried for a period first to see if it can actually work in terms of being effective in limiting the numbers of the virus, or at least keeping things ticking over, while still allowing the majority of retail to open and operate.

Renjit · 24-11-2020 02:10AM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

Moving to Level 3?

That's just Level 5 with gyms & barbers open. . . an utter disgrace.

discustarding

cnocbui · 24-11-2020 02:10AM

Hong Kong:

Health Secretary Sophia Chan said on Sunday the government will give a HK$5,000 ($645) handout to anyone in the city who tests positive to encourage people to undergo testing.

Lol - what could possibly go wrong? Visions of block long queues of people waiting to pay some covid positive person, HK$1,000 to infect them.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/23/asia/shanghai-airport-coronavirus-testing-intl-hnk-scli/index.html

cnocbui · 24-11-2020 02:18AM

political analyst wrote: »

The difference is that schools, unlike pubs, have discipline, thus ensuring adherence to distancing and face-covering, and don't facilitate the consumption of alcohol .

The secondary school students leave their schools for lunch in droves and congregate outside supermarkets and shops, with none weraring a mask and the distance between those in each clump being being about 30cm on average.

24-11-2020 02:18AM

Arghus wrote: »

The whole point about talking about a "worry index" and being cautious is because there's a real risk of complacency setting in now.

People have become used to case numbers in the 300's and 400's and take it for granted that everything will be grand and we "just need to get on with it" - those numbers are still really high and it won't take much to go from a situation of a few hundreds of cases a day to the thousand plus scenario we were a few weeks ago - and it especially won't take much in the context of a month of lots of mingling, activity, visiting etc, during the depths of Winter.

People don't like Tony's message but it is essentially correct: if people throw caution to the wind the numbers will, once again, go up and up. He might be a bit brusque and monotonous in his messaging - but it is the truth: until a widespread vaccine is available we have to manage our way through this.

People seem so aggrieved that NPHET, supposedly, treat them like children but when I log on here and I read things names "Dr. Doom" and "Dr. Ro-Ro" and a near total lack of understanding from a - growing - number of posters about why the public health advice is what it is and coupled with sentiments like "NPHET love despair"... - and I think, children?, maybe NPHET should talk to them at a toddler level, feels more appropriate.

He was worried because people aren't scared enough. Its an awful message. They've done fear for 8 months, there is a vaccine in sight, the message should be to hunker down for the final few months, we're getting there. Instead they continue with fear, but fewer and fewer people are afraid, which is natural.

Not worried =/ complacent. And trying to manipulate the public's psyche is rather messed up, but we've seemingly normalised it.

owlbethere · 24-11-2020 02:35AM

AdamD wrote: »

He was worried because people aren't scared enough. Its an awful message. They've done fear for 8 months, there is a vaccine in sight, the message should be to hunker down for the final few months, we're getting there. Instead they continue with fear, but fewer and fewer people are afraid, which is natural.

Not worried =/ complacent. And trying to manipulate the public's psyche is rather messed up, but we've seemingly normalised it.

I'm afraid of the virus. It was never the go8or NHPET that instilled fear in me though. I found NHPETs briefings and the questions and answers was a good thing and I was able to understand more of the process and more of the public health message they were sending out. It was never NHPET that instilled fear in me.

It was the virus itself. Its a new virus. It's not a virus like a flu or like chickenpox or the measles because there's a lot of immunity in the population with them viruses either through infection or from vaccination. It's a novel virus and saw it as a huge threat. Not only for myself but for others too. There's also long covid. I know many people like to write off long covid as outliers but no body knows what way your body is going to handle the virus and it was something I don't want to gamble with.

Arghus · 24-11-2020 02:41AM

AdamD wrote: »

He was worried because people aren't scared enough. Its an awful message. They've done fear for 8 months, there is a vaccine in sight, the message should be to hunker down for the final few months, we're getting there. Instead they continue with fear, but fewer and fewer people are afraid, which is natural.

Not worried =/ complacent. And trying to manipulate the public's psyche is rather messed up, but we've seemingly normalised it.

But that isn't essentially at odds with what they are saying. Everyone knows that plans are being made for vaccination, everyone knows that is the medium term goal, but it isn't going to arrive next week or next month - in the meantime, what do they do? Just cease giving that same advice, even if it's relevant? Augment that advice? How so?

We still have weeks, perhaps months, ahead of us where the situation isn't going to materially change. That is reality. So how can they make that message more palatable? I'm genuinely curious because it's clear just from reading this thread that a lot of people have a problem with it.

Jim Gazebo · 24-11-2020 02:58AM

Seen this far too many times at my work place (essential), this idea that young people are dangerous because they are partying. It's come to the stage that some people dont want them to be at the workplace. This is quite frankly bull****. But it's a reflection on a lot of people's viewpoints being spread. Young or old, you have as much chance of catching covid and spreading it. Not all young people are irresponsible. It is a minority. Tarring them all with this brush is horrible and ignorant. Please stop demonising young people. It's helping absolutely no one. Someone even suggested they should be tested. When asked if they would take a test too? "Why should I?"

Sorry for the rant but this has driven me insane today. The attitude has to change.

Richard Hillman · 24-11-2020 03:32AM

Arghus wrote: »

Is it not acceptable? Why?

We had level 2 for a period earlier in the year and coming off even far lower case numbers than we have now cases still rose and rose, eventually requiring more stringent restrictions.

Surely with that in mind level 3 has to be at least tried for a period first to see if it can actually work in terms of being effective in limiting the numbers of the virus, or at least keeping things ticking over, while still allowing the majority of retail to open and operate.

Because Christmas overrules this 99%+ survival rate Virus and that asymptomatic carriers barely spread the virus too.

Arghus · 24-11-2020 03:47AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Because Christmas overrules this 99%+ survival rate Virus and that asymptomatic carriers barely spread the virus too.

Okay, that's your opinion - I don't agree with it - but it is your opinion.

Even using your own calculations of a 99% survival rate - that still equates to an awful lot of death. And it doesn't take thousands to overwhelm the health system, it only takes hundreds. And it doesn't take hundreds to overwhelm ICUs, it only takes dozens.

An extreme scenario - well, perhaps, but one that has occurred elsewhere and one that I think we should try to avoid. I don't think Christmas trumps that to be honest.

Danonino. · 24-11-2020 05:57AM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

If 1 million can attend schools then pubs can be reopened for Christmas.

If over a million have died then surely people can drink at home and wait for a vaccine that will end a global pandemic. It’s scary how people can’t adapt to the idea of celebrating Christmas different for ONE year. ‘Schools are open why not pubs’ get a grip.

Downplaying figures and lethality of a virus gripping the world, one that’s proven to strain health services and cause excess deaths, for what? So people can gather indoors and swallow overpriced beer singing carols and hitting on the fine one from accounting.

Peter Flynt · 24-11-2020 08:14AM

Danonino. wrote: »

If over a million have died then surely people can drink at home and wait for a vaccine that will end a global pandemic. It’s scary how people can’t adapt to the idea of celebrating Christmas different for ONE year. ‘Schools are open why not pubs’ get a grip.

Downplaying figures and lethality of a virus gripping the world, one that’s proven to strain health services and cause excess deaths, for what? So people can gather indoors and swallow overpriced beer singing carols and hitting on the fine one from accounting.

The virus is spreading through schools and the HSE/NPHET are covering it up.

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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