Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

niallo27 · 23-11-2020 10:22PM

Arghus wrote: »

The whole point about talking about a "worry index" and being cautious is because there's a real risk of complacency setting in now.

People have become used to case numbers in the 300's and 400's and take it for granted that everything will be grand and we "just need to get on with it" - those numbers are still really high and it won't take much to go from a situation of a few hundreds of cases a day to the thousand plus scenario we were a few weeks ago - and it especially won't take much in the context of a month of lots of mingling, activity, visiting etc, during the depths of Winter.

People don't like Tony's message but it is essentially correct: if people throw caution to the wind the numbers will, once again, go up and up. He might be a bit brusque and monotonous in his messaging - but it is the truth: until a widespread vaccine is available we have to manage our way through this.

People seem so aggrieved that NPHET, supposedly, treat them like children but when I log on here and I read things names "Dr. Doom" and "Dr. Ro-Ro" and a near total lack of understanding from a - growing - number of posters about why the public health advice is what it is and coupled with sentiments like "NPHET love despair"... - and I think, children?, maybe NPHET should talk to them at a toddler level, feels more appropriate.

You really won't here a word against Nphet or Tony H will ya, why so defensive towards them. The worry index was embarrassing today.

MOR316 · 23-11-2020 10:24PM

Arghus wrote: »

The whole point about talking about a "worry index" and being cautious is because there's a real risk of complacency setting in now.

People have become used to case numbers in the 300's and 400's and take it for granted that everything will be grand and we "just need to get on with it" - those numbers are still really high and it won't take much to go from a situation of a few hundreds of cases a day to the thousand plus scenario we were a few weeks ago - and it especially won't take much in the context of a month of lots of mingling, activity, visiting etc, during the depths of Winter.

People don't like Tony's message but it is essentially correct: if people throw caution to the wind the numbers will, once again, go up and up. He might be a bit brusque and monotonous in his messaging - but it is the truth: until a widespread vaccine is available we have to manage our way through this.

People seem so aggrieved that NPHET, supposedly, treat them like children but when I log on here and I read things names "Dr. Doom" and "Dr. Ro-Ro" and a near total lack of understanding from a - growing - number of posters about why the public health advice is what it is and coupled with sentiments like "NPHET love despair"... - and I think, children?, maybe NPHET should talk to them at a toddler level, feels more appropriate.

You've been listening to Tony too much, mate.

His patronising tone is seeping into your posts now.

"The next two posts are crucial"

The fact you're taking offence to people calling Dr. Glynn, "Ro-Ro" is not a good sign to me. A deeply concerning sign, if you will*

*No one meant anything bad by it, calm down. I'm sure he's been called that since he left the RCSI or wherever he was educated

Ficheall · 23-11-2020 10:24PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

What is extraordinary is that even when numbers were low in July they were ramping things up with many people in respect to holidays etc and even then they were getting the narrative wrong with cases going in the wrong direction

Maybe they were concerned about trying to avoid some sort of second wave, which many people said would never happen and dismissed as doom-mongering. And when the second wave did happen, and is being dealt with more effectively than in almost every other European country, people are still complaining.

I'm curious as to which countries (preferably sticking with Europe for comparison's sake) people feel are dealing better with the second covid wave than Ireland is.

Widdensushi · 23-11-2020 10:25PM

MOR316 wrote: »

The return of the ****ing €9

Stone me, they're absolute morons!

It kept the crowd in a pub to a reasonable amount though, when the wet pubs opened some ignored the seating, crowd control

Arghus · 23-11-2020 10:35PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

They all need to just speak with one voice with simple messaging. Talk about the real risks and not the perceived ones.

The toddler messaging and finger wagging does not work. Cocooners was terrible messaging as well.

The advice is essentially the same as it has been since March and it will be for time to come : limit your contacts, don't be stupid.

CruelSummer · 23-11-2020 10:36PM

I was surprised no-one at the press conference asked about the current situation in nursing homes and with hospital outbreaks. The fact that staff are not being regularly tested in either setting while the whole country is closed to protect these specific areas is scandalous. Dr Glynn not having information re nursing homes to hand while this level 5 costs the state an extra 1.5 billion shouldn't be accepted. Where is this information?

Fr_Dougal · 23-11-2020 10:40PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

It kept the crowd in a pub to a reasonable amount though, when the wet pubs opened some ignored the seating, crowd control

‘Wet pubs’ never reopened in Dublin.

johndanielmoore · 23-11-2020 10:49PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

So you have over 100 cases magically appearing from last month, plus your 80-90 false positives a day. And now the most concerning thing for NPHET is the Worry Index.

Folks, when we look back at this in a few years time, we will be thinking that we were sold an absolute crock.

Add in the cases that were contracted in the hospitals and nursing homes and you could had days with sod all cases in the general public.

23-11-2020 10:55PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

I was surprised no-one at the press conference asked about the current situation in nursing homes and with hospital outbreaks. The fact that staff are not being regularly tested in either setting while the whole country is closed to protect these specific areas is scandalous. Dr Glynn not having information re nursing homes to hand while this level 5 costs the state an extra 1.5 billion is shouldn't be accepted. Where is this information?

Strictly off-limits. Why do you reckon nimrods like Zara King and George Lee are always encouraged by Tony to ask several questions? Because they lack any meaningful depth and chew up valuable time in the presser. Meanwhile, a colourful kite is flown (pubs) as a distraction tool from the shambolic ineptitude in hospitals and nursing homes. Then Tony and Ronan can wriggle away without having to deal with the biggest elephant in the room. Rinse and repeat.

old_aussie · 23-11-2020 11:05PM

CCP virus still raging in china.

Xi Jinping, the Lying Butcher of China can talk all the bull**** he wants but no one except the brainwashed chinese will believe him.

https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/footage-emerges-of-wild-scenes-at-shanghai-pudong-airport-after-all-staff-ordered-to-be-tested-for-coronavirus/news-story/e88b7ce55137c131d2a311f0dce729d9

If Europe and the US don't start being serious they will be years away from eradicating the CCP virus.

Take a page out of Australia's book.

china's new theme song Let's Stick(very close) Together

Arghus · 23-11-2020 11:06PM

niallo27 wrote: »

You really won't here a word against Nphet or Tony H will ya, why so defensive towards them. The worry index was embarrassing today.

NPHET aren't infallible and Tony H isn't infallible, I've never once said that they are.

They do make mistakes - for instance right when this started they botched the advice for visiting nursing homes, what has their position been on controlling people coming into the country and the importance of quarantine, why does this seem to be of such little importance? - and while Tony's style doesn't bother me I understand why others can find him overbearing and, yes, even with a touch of arrogance.

Disagree with the advice - fine. But articulate it in such a way that shows logically and coherently why it's bad advice in the context of trying to suppress the spread of a highly infectious virus.

Tony Holohan is wrong, you say, to repeat the same basic message. Okay, well then, tell me why that is. Explain it to me, reason with me: change my mind. Convince me that your complaints are actually rooted in logic and aren't solely based in a defensiveness upon receiving advice that you don't want to hear. I'm here to be convinced, if you can convince me.

sterz · 23-11-2020 11:12PM

Tony's next presentation

John O.Groats · 23-11-2020 11:34PM

Arghus wrote: »

The whole point about talking about a "worry index" and being cautious is because there's a real risk of complacency setting in now.

People have become used to case numbers in the 300's and 400's and take it for granted that everything will be grand and we "just need to get on with it" - those numbers are still really high and it won't take much to go from a situation of a few hundreds of cases a day to the thousand plus scenario we were a few weeks ago - and it especially won't take much in the context of a month of lots of mingling, activity, visiting etc, during the depths of Winter.

People don't like Tony's message but it is essentially correct: if people throw caution to the wind the numbers will, once again, go up and up. He might be a bit brusque and monotonous in his messaging - but it is the truth: until a widespread vaccine is available we have to manage our way through this.

People seem so aggrieved that NPHET, supposedly, treat them like children but when I log on here and I read things names "Dr. Doom" and "Dr. Ro-Ro" and a near total lack of understanding from a - growing - number of posters about why the public health advice is what it is and coupled with sentiments like "NPHET love despair"... - and I think, children?, maybe NPHET should talk to them at a toddler level, feels more appropriate.

The majority of those type of comments come from the restrictions thread and I think we are well aware of the types that thread is infested with so no surprise they are constantly throwing their toys out of the pram .

Happydays2020 · 23-11-2020 11:35PM

Arghus wrote: »

The advice is essentially the same as it has been since March and it will be for time to come : limit your contacts, don't be stupid.

Exactly. No need for all this crap and amateur psychology.

Happydays2020 · 23-11-2020 11:37PM

old_aussie wrote: »

CCP virus still raging in china.

Xi Jinping, the Lying Butcher of China can talk all the bull**** he wants but no one except the brainwashed chinese will believe him.

https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/footage-emerges-of-wild-scenes-at-shanghai-pudong-airport-after-all-staff-ordered-to-be-tested-for-coronavirus/news-story/e88b7ce55137c131d2a311f0dce729d9

If Europe and the US don't start being serious they will be years away from eradicating the CCP virus.

Take a page out of Australia's book.

china's new theme song Let's Stick(very close) Together

The article does not align with your post.

FinglasFollain · 23-11-2020 11:43PM

McConnell on CB Live talking about the government, particularly FG wanting to ambitiously open up. Mention of NPHET being “zealous”.

CB’s poll also showing 70% want pubs/restaurants open. Between this and the worry index, the tide is beginning to turn. More tension coming down the road.

Also, tomorrow’s Examiner reporting family visits will be allowed at Xmas. Government don’t wanna be the people to keep families apart.

Happydays2020 · 23-11-2020 11:45PM

FinglasFollain wrote: »

McConnell on CB Live talking about the government, particularly FG wanting to ambitiously open up. Mention of NPHET being “zealous”.

CB’s poll also showing 70% want pubs/restaurants open. Between this and the worry index, the tide is beginning to turn. More tension coming down the road.

Also, tomorrow’s Examiner reporting family visits will be allowed at Xmas. Government don’t wanna be the people to keep families apart.

Is that Mitch McConnell?

FinglasFollain · 23-11-2020 11:45PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Is that Mitch McConnell?

Sorry, Daniel, journalist with the Examiner.

Cork2021 · 23-11-2020 11:47PM

Claire Byrne has a nobody anti vaccine idiot on!! Why the need fir this.

Thierry12 · 23-11-2020 11:48PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

The article does not align with your post.

Its getting weird

Wiki says SARS is back

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severe_acute_respiratory_syndrome

FinglasFollain · 23-11-2020 11:49PM

Cork2021 wrote: »

Claire Byrne has a nobody anti vaccine idiot on!! Why the need fir this.

Who was he? Seemed a fairly irrelevant interjection purely to stir up some trouble.

62% of their survey said they’d take a vaccine which isn’t bad. Bump that up another 10-15% with encouragement and a good campaign and you’re doing well.

Cork2021 · 23-11-2020 11:54PM

FinglasFollain wrote: »

Who was he? Seemed a fairly irrelevant interjection purely to stir up some trouble.

62% of their survey said they’d take a vaccine which isn’t bad. Bump that up another 10-15% with encouragement and a good campaign and you’re doing well.

He was a viewer she said. And now another 1

CH3OH · 23-11-2020 11:55PM

Paddy is still on Dial up internet

Cork2021 · 23-11-2020 11:56PM

We won’t get to 70% uptake with this shît on our TVs on a nightly basis

fleet_admiral · 23-11-2020 11:57PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

No surprises, restaurants and pubs serving fooding wouldn't have been able to open for another week anyway by the time you get stock in and get staff back

Pubs could open on Thursday

stephenjmcd · 23-11-2020 11:57PM

Cork2021 wrote: »

We won’t get to 70% uptake with this shît on our TVs on a nightly basis

Except it won't be, there'll be a huge PR campaign

stephenjmcd · 23-11-2020 11:58PM

fleet_admiral wrote: »

Pubs could open on Thursday

Indo and others suggesting it'll be a week later. They don't want everything opening at one go

dmakc · 23-11-2020 11:59PM

I'm not a fan of Tony as much as anyone here. But to be fair from the outset their objective was clearly to control by fear in a state where they can't by law. Worry meter is laughable because it is. Just like anecdotal evidence consisting of looking at a carpark from his office window. They're out of ideas with the numbers coming down and so are proceeding to take the piss.

It's like a teacher in last few days of May.

Cork2021 · 24-11-2020 12:03AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Except it won't be, there'll be a huge PR campaign

But you’ll have Paddy who was just on claire Byrne saying he won’t take it but isn’t anti vax but won’t take the flu vaccine either.
These PR campaigns need to be spot on our we’ll be living like this going into 2022

ednwireland · 24-11-2020 12:04AM

Cork2021 wrote: »

Claire Byrne has a nobody anti vaccine idiot on!! Why the need fir this.

dont like discussion eh ?

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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