Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

KrustyUCC · 23-11-2020 08:19PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

So 101 cases from October only reported in the last 14 days

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1330943446912290816?s=19

Did they explain why that happened?

Thats a lot of cases

LuasSimon · 23-11-2020 08:19PM

Most people would be content to have non retail shops open and restaurants , makes sense to keep all pubs closed until new year .

KrustyUCC · 23-11-2020 08:21PM

LuasSimon wrote: »

Most people would be content to have non retail shops open and restaurants , makes sense to keep all pubs closed until new year .

Food pubs would be opened again if restaurants are

23-11-2020 08:22PM

LuasSimon wrote: »

Most people would be content to have non retail shops open and restaurants , makes sense to keep all pubs closed until new year .

It doesn't on any level, considering how marginally influential pubs have been in driving case numbers. Stay at home if you resent them being open, the majority of us are social animals who want to get on with our lives in responsible fashion.

BringBackMick · 23-11-2020 08:22PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

So you have over 100 cases magically appearing from last month, plus your 80-90 false positives a day. And now the most concerning thing for NPHET is the Worry Index.

Folks, when we look back at this in a few years time, we will be thinking that we were sold an absolute crock.

A user on here was querying whether I should post on the conspiracy theory forum when I was questioning how they got that many tests the other day.

The bulk of the population are so vulnerable to being easily misled by those in RTE , the health authorities and government..

There is no critical thinking in Irish public life at the moment.

If one dares reason with the pro lockdown mantra you are labelled a conspiracist.

prunudo · 23-11-2020 08:28PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Tony is a sadistic doom monger, producing a ridiculous worry survey to try and manipulate the sheep back in line. He can go to hell.

And like last week, he fires out comments without realising all he is doing is alienating an already weary public. People have long stopped hanging on his every word.

majcos · 23-11-2020 08:37PM

John.Icy wrote: »

I actually don't think they are. The HSE figure of 292 at 8pm last night is from 29 acute sites (including CHIs). I don't see any mention of St. Columcilles on the list.

Do there numbers feed into another hospital's tally? Maybe someone knows what he story is here or I am missing something in the daily ops.

Model 3 Hospitals and higher are included in HSE operations report. A Model 3 Hospital has a 24 hour emergency department and an ICU along with acute medicine and acute surgery.

It was anticipated that acute Covid care would happen mainly in the Model 3 (and higher) hospitals. But inevitably some cases have ended up in Model 2 hospitals. Either initially unrecognized or contracted within hospital.

Loughlinstown is a Model 2 hospital. It has an Injury Unit from 8 to 6 but not a full ED and does not have an ICU. Critically ill patients would be transferred from there to St. Vincent’s.

I do not know if their figures are included with St. Vincent’s but St. Vincent’s had 24 cases last night which is about the same as most of the other Dublin Hospitals so it is possible these are additional hospitalised cases not included in the Acute Hospitals data as those Model 2 hospitals are not included in that count.

bikeman1 · 23-11-2020 08:48PM

My worry index is will the businesses I love in my area be able to open back up or survive into the future. If these excessive restrictions will create untold mental health damage on everyone. I worry about the mismanagement of care homes and lack of management. The spread in hospitals being one of the biggest cases of spread today. That’s my worry index.

Please can we get NPHET off the airwaves and back to just giving advice directly to the government.

People have moved on. Everywhere I went at the weekend was packed, we know what to do now. We make our own risk assessments every day in life. We are not living in this country to be pandered to by a man called Tony and his made up numbers and worry index.

majcos · 23-11-2020 08:53PM

owlbethere wrote: »

I would love to know what smart aleck came up with 'social distancing' and getting people to keep metres apart. Social distancing is very new. I never heard of it before this year. It was very clever.

A lad I know who owns cattle says it's what vets do when cattle are sick or diseased. The sick cattle are isolated to protect the rest of the herd. Did social distancing emerge from that?

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Ye both have the definition of social distancing wrong. You're talking about quarantine.

Social distancing is people who have no reason to believe they are sick staying 2 metres from everyone for fear they might unknowingly be carrying an infection. As a concept in terms of global adoption, it is completely new to this year.

It is not a new term from this year. It has been used in this context for at least a decade. I cannot find a definite reference to it’s origin of use in this context but if you watch Contagion film released in 2011, it is used frequently by the US CDC staff including Kate Winslet’s character.

It was used before that in a societal hierarchical sense referring to ‘social distancing of yourself from the plebs’ mentioned in sociology works by Karl Mannheim. It has also been mentioned in context of racial divisions.

Of course, the more correct term is probably physical distancing but the use of social distancing is too firmly embedded now in our language.

Ficheall · 23-11-2020 08:56PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

A user on here was querying whether I should post on the conspiracy theory forum when I was questioning how they got that many tests the other day.

By "Questioning how they got that many tests" you presumably mean "Accusing them of deliberately lying to fit some bizarre agenda"?

BringBackMick wrote: »

Decision time approaching......keep cases high as possible....mis-report case positivity rate

owlbethere · 23-11-2020 09:02PM

oceanman wrote: »

maybe take a look at the dire situation in europe and other parts of the world before you knock the man...

The numbers are not coming down to as low as they need them to be for getting out of level 5 and reopening and he's right to be concerned. They were hoping to get the numbers down to double digits and under 100. I can't see that happen now and within a week too.

The case numbers are getting better and hopefully they will continue to go down but for the past week they were sitting between 300 to 400 cases a day. The next few more days will tell a lot and where the figures will sit.

If we have 100 to 200/300 cases a day, for reopening, it won't be very good. Retail will have to open though so people can try and make something of their Christmas. That will lead to more people moving about and meeting up and giving the virus more chances to transmit. Peoples close contacts are also going to increase over Christmas. With more virus circulating in the community and a 2 week incubation period, there's going to be more virus spread during Christmas. I know ventilation is important. Are people who's planning to meet with several different families and households really going sit around a dinner table with open windows freezing their asses off? Many people won't take the precautions necessary to keep a safe place. Also if people are identified as a close contact in the week or 2 before Christmas, will people really isolate themselves and restrict their movements in case they develop the virus? I think many people do have it in them to do the right think but many others don't. Christmas is going to lead to more virus and it will dip into a demographic where they have been shielded or cocooning. That's going to be a disaster all around. Especially now because we are so close to vaccines coming out.

normanoffside · 23-11-2020 09:14PM

Here's the famous worry Index Tony was talking about.

Very concerning

https://twitter.com/roinnslainte/status/1330943002102149128

normanoffside · 23-11-2020 09:15PM

FinglasFollain · 23-11-2020 09:25PM

RTE app saying NPHET meeting moved from Thursday to Wednesday.

copeyhagen · 23-11-2020 09:27PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

A user on here was querying whether I should post on the conspiracy theory forum when I was questioning how they got that many tests the other day.

The bulk of the population are so vulnerable to being easily misled by those in RTE , the health authorities and government..

There is no critical thinking in Irish public life at the moment.

If one dares reason with the pro lockdown mantra you are labelled a conspiracist.

question authority and its "ok Jim Corr".. its amazing how led people will allow themselves to be.

spookwoman · 23-11-2020 09:29PM

TonyMaloney · 23-11-2020 09:39PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It doesn't on any level, considering how marginally influential pubs have been in driving case numbers. Stay at home if you resent them being open, the majority of us are social animals who want to get on with our lives in responsible fashion.

This is a very popular opinion for some reason, but essentially your argument is that people are social animals and a majority will go to the pub.

That's also the argument for keeping them shut.

Always_Running · 23-11-2020 09:56PM

Stheno wrote: »

Are you including the mystery 101 from October that appeared last week?

Nope just going on what was reported.

Eod100 · 23-11-2020 10:00PM

Indo has some details on what level 3 might look like:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gym-hairdressers-and-retail-to-open-next-week-but-restaurants-may-have-to-wait-39782764.html

froog · 23-11-2020 10:02PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It doesn't on any level, considering how marginally influential pubs have been in driving case numbers. Stay at home if you resent them being open, the majority of us are social animals who want to get on with our lives in responsible fashion.

why do you think pubs have been marginally influential in driving case numbers since this whole thing started?

have a good think now.

Happydays2020 · 23-11-2020 10:02PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Here's the famous worry Index Tony was talking about.

Very concerning

https://twitter.com/roinnslainte/status/1330943002102149128

What is extraordinary is that even when numbers were low in July they were ramping things up with many people in respect to holidays etc and even then they were getting the narrative wrong with cases going in the wrong direction. Medics playing with sociology and failing.

stephenjmcd · 23-11-2020 10:03PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Indo has some details on what level 3 might look like:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gym-hairdressers-and-retail-to-open-next-week-but-restaurants-may-have-to-wait-39782764.html

No surprises, restaurants and pubs serving fooding wouldn't have been able to open for another week anyway by the time you get stock in and get staff back

Happydays2020 · 23-11-2020 10:03PM

froog wrote: »

why do you think pubs have been marginally influential in driving case numbers since this whole thing started?

have a good think now.

They were open until mid March. Then when they shut them cases went through the roof.

marno21 · 23-11-2020 10:03PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Indo has some details on what level 3 might look like:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gym-hairdressers-and-retail-to-open-next-week-but-restaurants-may-have-to-wait-39782764.html

The stay in your county nonsense should be relaxed for counties with low incidence rates. Fair enough for counties with high incidence rates like Donegal or Louth but travelling from Wexford to Wicklow does not constitute a public health risk.

Arghus · 23-11-2020 10:06PM

The whole point about talking about a "worry index" and being cautious is because there's a real risk of complacency setting in now.

People have become used to case numbers in the 300's and 400's and take it for granted that everything will be grand and we "just need to get on with it" - those numbers are still really high and it won't take much to go from a situation of a few hundreds of cases a day to the thousand plus scenario we were a few weeks ago - and it especially won't take much in the context of a month of lots of mingling, activity, visiting etc, during the depths of Winter.

People don't like Tony's message but it is essentially correct: if people throw caution to the wind the numbers will, once again, go up and up. He might be a bit brusque and monotonous in his messaging - but it is the truth: until a widespread vaccine is available we have to manage our way through this.

People seem so aggrieved that NPHET, supposedly, treat them like children but when I log on here and I read things names "Dr. Doom" and "Dr. Ro-Ro" and a near total lack of understanding from a - growing - number of posters about why the public health advice is what it is and coupled with sentiments like "NPHET love despair"... - and I think, children?, maybe NPHET should talk to them at a toddler level, feels more appropriate.

MOR316 · 23-11-2020 10:06PM

The return of the ****ing €9

Stone me, they're absolute morons!

Happydays2020 · 23-11-2020 10:12PM

Arghus wrote: »

The whole point about talking about a "worry index" and being cautious is because there's a real risk of complacency setting in now.

People have become used to case numbers in the 300's and 400's and take it for granted that everything will be grand and we "just need to get on with it" - those numbers are still really high and it won't take much to go from a situation of a few hundreds of cases a day to the thousand plus scenario we were a few weeks ago - and it especially won't take much in the context of a month of lots of mingling, activity, visiting etc, during the depths of Winter.

People don't like Tony's message but it is essentially correct: if people throw caution to the wind the numbers will, once again, go up and up. He might be a bit brusque and monotonous in his messaging - but it is the truth: until a widespread vaccine is available we have to manage our way through this.

People seem so aggrieved that NPHET, supposedly, treat them like children but when I log on here and I read things names "Dr. Doom" and "Dr. Ro-Ro" and a near total lack of understanding from a - growing - number of posters about why the public health advice is what it is and coupled with sentiments like "NPHET love despair"... - and I think, children?, maybe NPHET should talk to them at a toddler level, feels more appropriate.

They all need to just speak with one voice with simple messaging. Talk about the real risks and not the perceived ones.

The toddler messaging and finger wagging does not work. Cocooners was terrible messaging as well.

Wolf359f · 23-11-2020 10:16PM

MOR316 wrote: »

The return of the ****ing €9

Stone me, they're absolute morons!

How would you differentiate between a wet pub and a restaurant though? The basis of the restaurant licence is the requirement to serve food or a substantial meal.
If you remove that requirement, there is nothing to separate a wet pub and a restaurant.

stephenjmcd · 23-11-2020 10:18PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

How would you differentiate between a wet pub and a restaurant though? The basis of the restaurant licence is the requirement to serve food or a substantial meal.
If you remove that requirement, there is nothing to separate a wet pub and a restaurant.

You don't even need a restaurant licence, when reopening in the summer there was a spate of licence applications into the courts and government decided you didn't need one to open. Hence the chippers down the road delivering up to pubs etc.

Same again now

MOR316 · 23-11-2020 10:21PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

How would you differentiate between a wet pub and a restaurant though? The basis of the restaurant licence is the requirement to serve food or a substantial meal.
If you remove that requirement, there is nothing to separate a wet pub and a restaurant.

What?

They didn't need one before! I was in bars where I had chippers and Italian food from down the road forced onto me

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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