Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

podgeandrodge · 23-11-2020 07:44PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1330937600027324420?s=19

The numbers are not backing him up so he has invented a new gauge to measure things "The Worry-O-Meter". Can we see this Worryometer, Tony or is just the voices in your head telling you that?

He didn't even sound convinced in his explanation of his own worryometer, came across a bit "Jeez, will they swallow this"!

BrianD3 · 23-11-2020 07:45PM

Yes that worry index stuff was cringeworthy. I didn't catch the figures but did he say that around 30% of those surveyed think the worst is still to come

I love how he is quick to say that he doesn't want more people worrying while also strongly implying that he is concerned that more people aren't worrying

Is it really the role of a Chief Medical Officer to communicate the findings of such an index. The whole thing is coming across very amateurish in terms of communication and leadership. The worry index could actually have been a good tool depending on how it was communicated, there is a skill here that Holohan doesn't seem to have.

The part about not blaming each other also came across quite strange IMO.

So today's numbers are lower and we might be going to level 2 or 3 etc. soon. and Santy might come down the chimney for us at Christmas if we are good little children. Sickening stuff, the only game in town now is the vaccines, we'll piggy back on good work done by other people.

MOR316 · 23-11-2020 07:47PM

Have a feeling that when this is all over, Government are going to shaft NPHET

Zebra3 · 23-11-2020 07:48PM

Hi Tony,

I'm very worried.

Very worried about the unemployment numbers and vast increase in the national debt.

Always_Running · 23-11-2020 07:50PM

Last 7 days compared to the previous week 1868 extra tests carried out. 381 less cases reported.

Stheno · 23-11-2020 07:51PM

Always_Running wrote: »

Last 7 days compared to the previous week 1868 extra tests carried out. 381 less cases reported.

Are you including the mystery 101 from October that appeared last week?

podgeandrodge · 23-11-2020 07:51PM

Have they posted any excess death figures recently? Are we much above average at this point?

iamwhoiam · 23-11-2020 07:52PM

Tony Holohan quite simply cannot be positive for a second . It’s laughable now

CalamariFritti · 23-11-2020 07:53PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Yeah he is saying the 'worry index' in the population has dropped and it concerns him.

Thats something that was previously put into the CT corner but its a real thing.

For example in Germany there is a documented (and not disputed) strategy paper (internal) from the Interior Ministry (home office) that talks about 'communication strategy' with regards covid and the population.

And they openly talk about creating a 'shock effect'. Otherwise the low fatality rates may create a situation where large swaths of the population may not be overly concerned with this virus. So they recommend a 'shock effect' through the media where models and possibilities are to be communicated with 'worst cases' and possibilities in mind. Thats how and why we're being told about long covid all the time and scared about bringing it to 'granny' and all that.

Just because its not the 'great reset' or some other CT doesnt mean all is kosher. Never forget that. I'm certain the same thing is going on here. Well we know it is. Anyone who watches RTE knows it is.

Deeper Blue · 23-11-2020 07:53PM

Tony has jumped the shark

Worry index.....ffs

aziz · 23-11-2020 07:55PM

Can see Tony sneaking into people’s homes and jumping out from behind the sofa shouting “BOO”
Just to get his worry index up&#55357;&#56887;

KrustyUCC · 23-11-2020 07:56PM

Ahead of the festive period, Dr Holohan said the more progress is made on the spread of Covid-19 then the more options are available for easing restrictions. He said he would not draw any major conclusions from today's reported data as they consider the five day average as a whole.

"Being in the 200s is better than being in the 300s [...] but that’s one day’s number and we look at the five-day average. We’re not going to conclude anything based on one day," said Dr Holohan.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40087949.html

It's funny Tony's new found fondness for the 5 day average

ACitizenErased · 23-11-2020 07:56PM

Over 100 cases from October in the last 14 days? Why????

Turtwig · 23-11-2020 07:57PM

ESRI behavioural guy Lund should have been asked to speak about worry index

To be fair to Tony he has repeatedly mentioned anticipatory behaviour. Back in Spring people anticipating the spread took precautions well before any official lockdown. Then when in advance of lockdown lifting people began congregating more.

His concern is with the vaccines news, the good news, a sizeable portion may drop their guard by increasing, if only a little, their riskier contacts. There is a cumulative effect for wider society.

You don't want people worried. You do want them alert. You do not want them to be complacent. You most certainly don't want them reckless. It's a fine balance to get right and their survey suggests it may be a little skewed to complacency. A good sign in a way. Just something we need to be mindful and alert about.

Deeper Blue · 23-11-2020 07:57PM

Tony seemed unusually positive on the vaccine news, must be a good sign

Dempo1 · 23-11-2020 07:57PM

Some quite astonishing comments tonight, no doubting it wasn't a very informative news conference and it also has to be said mundane questioning by journalists didn't help. They say a weeks a long time in politics, it's seems 1300 cases a day, 5 weeks ago, an eternity.

I'll be interest to see what the comments will be like around the 1st January when it goes T*** up again

MerlinSouthDub · 23-11-2020 07:57PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

So 101 cases from October only reported in the last 14 days

Well that explains why the swabs Vs cases numbers weren't adding up. Only going to look at swab numbers now, the case numbers just don't seem to be reliable.

John.Icy · 23-11-2020 07:58PM

The worry index was the least of my issues with tonight.

How can Tony sit there and say we have become a nation too quick to blame others for breaching guidelines? Just ridiculous coming from the man who only last week thought too many people were going to work and that carparks were full. A man who can't wait to say we are becoming complacent as a nation and it concerns him. Blaming funeral gatherings.

NPHETs hysterics (at times) are a direct cause for so much of the curtain twitching going on by the general public.

Deep Thought · 23-11-2020 07:59PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Well that explains why the swabs Vs cases numbers weren't adding up. Only going to look at swab numbers now, the case numbers just don't seem to be reliable.

Yup.. manipulating data to suit a rhetoric and told no one . Shameful behaviour

harr · 23-11-2020 08:00PM

So if cases rise again after Christmas how soon would we expect to see that data?
I presume it would probably be first or second week into January before another level 5 lockdown would be considered.

440Hertz · 23-11-2020 08:00PM

They have to have a communication strategy that aims to impact behaviour and ensure that people actually take it seriously. It would be bizarre if they didn’t.

If you’ve ever studied or looked at anything to do with food marketing for example, you’ll have seen a lot of the strategies that public health bodies use to try and encourage say healthy eating, reduce smoking or even strategies to get people to cop on and not speed while driving all use the similar approaches.

I think people are being over offended by this. If NPHET wasn’t doing attitudinal research I would be shocked. It’s a huge part of what they need to do if their aim is to get transmission down.

I’m more surprised that people are surprised!

Stheno · 23-11-2020 08:03PM

Did anyone notice how blase Tony was about celebrations after the GAA yesterday?

oceanman · 23-11-2020 08:03PM

maybe take a look at the dire situation in europe and other parts of the world before you knock the man...

23-11-2020 08:09PM

oceanman wrote: »

maybe take a look at the dire situation in europe and other parts of the world before you knock the man...

Tony is a sadistic doom monger, producing a ridiculous worry survey to try and manipulate the sheep back in line. He can go to hell.

What Username Guidelines · 23-11-2020 08:10PM

Stheno wrote: »

Did anyone notice how blase Tony was about celebrations after the GAA yesterday?

He’s a GAA man though. He doesn’t drink takeaway pints in town, or work in retail, or own a small business or have a job that he can lose (well, maybe.)

I agree with most restrictions, but when he’s openly blaming groups then saying we shouldn’t blame any certain groups, all the while saying there’s growing concern with 4 cases or 1,000 cases, it’s no wonder his message is being diluted.

I don’t think you can just say “he’s an idiot, I’m not following restrictions” because the virus hasn’t changed and the situation remains largely the same, but as a communicator he’s failing miserably.

Richard Hillman · 23-11-2020 08:13PM

So you have over 100 cases magically appearing from last month, plus your 80-90 false positives a day. And now the most concerning thing for NPHET is the Worry Index.

Folks, when we look back at this in a few years time, we will be thinking that we were sold an absolute crock.

CalamariFritti · 23-11-2020 08:14PM

440Hertz wrote: »

They have to have a communication strategy that aims to impact behaviour and ensure that people actually take it seriously. It would be bizarre if they didn’t.

If you’ve ever studied or looked at anything to do with food marketing for example, you’ll have seen a lot of the strategies that public health bodies use to try and encourage say healthy eating, reduce smoking or even strategies to get people to cop on and not speed while driving all use the similar approaches.

I think people are being over offended by this. If NPHET wasn’t doing attitudinal research I would be shocked. It’s a huge part of what they need to do if their aim is to get transmission down.

I’m more surprised that people are surprised!

I would agree with all that and I'm not surprised. And I would agree even that to some extent maybe it has to be done. Talking to a population is like a teacher talking to an unruly classroom. I get that.

Does it make it 'right'? I dont know. I dont think it does.

We now have created a false picture of the severity of this virus in the population. I know people who literally havent left the house since March. People who support the mask mantra as the absolute ueber must thing calling for fines and worse. When only if they thought about it for a few minutes they'd know its bull. Look at comments here. People having a beer outside are being filmed and all sorts of names are applied to them.

We have deliberately freaked out the the people. You could call it brain washed. Its propaganda in any case. And while not an outright lie its definitely a misrepresentation of the situation. They may think its the right thing to do but its certainly not the actual truth.

Allinall · 23-11-2020 08:14PM

Deep Thought wrote: »

Yup.. manipulating data to suit a rhetoric and told no one . Shameful behaviour

I think it’s great. Gets loads of people wound up on boards.

Makes for great entertainment.

Richard Hillman · 23-11-2020 08:15PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

He’s a GAA man though. He doesn’t drink takeaway pints in town, or work in retail, or own a small business or have a job that he can lose (well, maybe.)

I agree with most restrictions, but when he’s openly blaming groups then saying we shouldn’t blame any certain groups, all the while saying there’s growing concern with 4 cases or 1,000 cases, it’s no wonder his message is being diluted.

I don’t think you can just say “he’s an idiot, I’m not following restrictions” because the virus hasn’t changed and the situation remains largely the same, but as a communicator he’s failing miserably.

He doesn't want to blame groups anymore since RTE made a boo-boo. You don't want to be pissing off the Pravda.

mountgomery burns · 23-11-2020 08:16PM

Turtwig wrote: »

His concern is with the vaccines news, the good news, a sizeable portion may drop their guard by increasing, if only a little, their riskier contacts. There is a cumulative effect for wider society.

You don't want people worried. You do want them alert. You do not want them to be complacent. You most certainly don't want them reckless. It's a fine balance to get right and their survey suggests it may be a little skewed to complacency. A good sign in a way. Just something we need to be mindful and alert about.

Indeed, all this good news is very worrying

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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