pearl jam

PropJoe10 · 22-11-2020 10:52pm

The old Point was a classic venue. Always liked it there, I have to say. My first PJ gig was there (2006) so it'll always have a special place in my memory!

Yellowledbetter · 23-11-2020 1:43am

I had a serious gra for the old Point, it wasn’t perfect but there was just something about it. My first visit there was for the WWF European Rampage in 88 or 89. First gig was the Foo’s and the Manics in 95 I think, first seen PJ there in 96

siltirocker · 23-11-2020 11:47am

Now, this could be absolute nonsense, and it is complete hearsay. But a fella I know has a strong indicator of why Pearl Jam haven't played in Dublin in an age. (Which coincides with the story of the security guard from above).

So, I was told the following theory by a man who runs one of Ireland's festivals and is pretty high up with one of the two main promotors.

Basically Pearl Jam have a grá for The Point/o2/3Arena. I don't know the mumbo here, but something like the sound travels in way that it didn't bleed with the monitors. They noted this at their sound checks for the 2000 gig. So for their more lengthy European tours that would see a sizable amount of songs played throughout, they leased out the Point for a day or two prior to the beginning of the tour leg as somewhere to run through songs ahead of the tour. And this is precisely what they did in 2006, and 2010.

The issue seems to stem from, and again this is speculation, but this lad tends to be spot on, is money.

The Pearl Jam people feel strongly about playing the Point. However for the cost of Pearl Jam, at 12,000 capacity, tickets would be crazy high, which Pearl Jam's management won't sanction. MCD have proposed one or two others (definitely Marley Park), but Pearl Jam's people reasonably enough said that logistically Dublin has to be the first stop. And any first stop has to be indoor. And so they find themselves at an impasse.

EyesClosed · 23-11-2020 11:50am

siltirocker wrote: »

Now, this could be absolute nonsense, and it is complete hearsay. But a fella I know has a strong indicator of why Pearl Jam haven't played in Dublin in an age. (Which coincides with the story of the security guard from above).

So, I was told the following theory by a man who runs one of Ireland's festivals and is pretty high up with one of the two main promotors.

Basically Pearl Jam have a grá for The Point/o2/3Arena. I don't know the mumbo here, but something like the sound travels in way that it didn't bleed with the monitors. They noted this at their sound checks for the 2000 gig. So for their more lengthy European tours that would see a sizable amount of songs played throughout, they leased out the Point for a day or two prior to the beginning of the tour leg as somewhere to run through songs ahead of the tour. And this is precisely what they did in 2006, and 2010.

The issue seems to stem from, and again this is speculation, but this lad tends to be spot on, is money.

The Pearl Jam people feel strongly about playing the Point. However for the cost of Pearl Jam, at 12,000 capacity, tickets would be crazy high, which Pearl Jam's management won't sanction. MCD have proposed one or two others (definitely Marley Park), but Pearl Jam's people reasonably enough said that logistically Dublin has to be the first stop. And any first stop has to be indoor. And so they find themselves at an impasse.

But they could just do two dates or three? Sure U2 played a string of dates there. Also Pearl Jam have no trouble playing outdoors anywhere else, and even multiple outdoor dates....so yea I don't buy it.

siltirocker · 23-11-2020 12:00pm

EyesClosed wrote: »

Also Pearl Jam have no trouble playing outdoors anywhere else, and even multiple outdoor dates....so yea I don't buy it.

It's not playing outdoor, it's starting a European leg outdoor. Which they haven't done in the past 6 or 7 tour legs. You can't exactly hire an outdoor venue for a day or two to soundcheck before beginning a tour leg.

But ya, look. Each to their own. I certainly do trust his hypothesis though. The man has literally booked Pearl Jam before, so I can't see why he would say it if it wasn't essentially the case.

EyesClosed · 23-11-2020 12:02pm

siltirocker wrote: »

It's not playing outdoor, it's starting a European leg outdoor. Which they haven't done in the past 6 or 7 tour legs. You can't exactly hire an outdoor venue for a day or two to soundcheck before beginning a tour leg.

But ya, look. Each to their own. I certainly do trust his hypothesis though. The man has literally booked Pearl Jam before, so I can't see why he would say it if it wasn't essentially the case.

Fair enough, but why not just do two dates indoors here?
Also ticket prices makes no sense as Eddie has no trouble charging a hundred a head for his solo shows.

breezy1985 · 23-11-2020 12:03pm

Mushy wrote: »

Sound was never good but still liked it as a venue. First one there was The Offspring in 2004. Think ozzy Osbourne may have been last one

Was at that same Offspring gig and was my first and only time at the old point and my first big indoor gig

siltirocker · 23-11-2020 12:08pm

EyesClosed wrote: »

Fair enough, but why not just do two dates indoors here?
Also ticket prices makes no sense as Eddie has no trouble charging a hundred a head for his solo shows.

Mate, I have no idea. Just sharing with fans what I heard off a very reliable source.

Although to hazard a guess, if Vedder tickets were well north of €100, you'd imagine the bands would be significantly above that again. And it doesn't matter how many shows you put on, they won't sell if the price is considered too high.

Also worth noting Vedder did not book his tour with Pearl Jam's people/management and also he did not even use Pearl Jam's previous Irish promoter.

But again, I have no idea. Just sharing.

fluke · 23-11-2020 12:15pm

MCD should just swallow their pride and sanction the Point* for 2 nights.

What other indoor venue would be suitable here?

* Or the 023 as I know of somebody who called it that, given that it was the 02 and now officially 3 Arena.

Penfailed · 23-11-2020 2:44pm

fluke wrote: »

* Or the 023 as I know of somebody who called it that, given that it was the 02 and now officially 3 Arena.

I've heard it called the three point oh two

Mrcaramelchoc · 19-12-2020 11:50pm

Talk about milking the ****e out of merch

2020 ROME 12/19 STREAMING EVENT BLANKET

https://shop.pearljam.com/collections/stream/products/2020-rome-12-19-streaming-event-blanket

eviltimeban · 20-12-2020 9:06am

Ha, we just bought that blanket. We were at the last Rome gig so why not.

flasher0030 · 20-12-2020 10:26am

Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »

Talk about milking the ****e out of merch

2020 ROME 12/19 STREAMING EVENT BLANKET

https://shop.pearljam.com/collections/stream/products/2020-rome-12-19-streaming-event-blanket

Can be perceived like that alright.
But sometimes we overthink these things. At the end of the day, it's just a harmless product put out into the market. If people are willing to buy it then so be it. It's up to them - nobody is forcing their hand.
I know sometimes there's a notion of "selling out" with these things. But I don't narrow it into parameters like that. If I knew a product that would sell and make me profits, I'd have it straight on to the Net.

sparrowcar · 23-12-2020 8:45pm

Anyone know if the full Howard Stern interview with Eddie is online in video anywhere from last month?

23-12-2020 9:15pm

sparrowcar wrote: »

Anyone know if the full Howard Stern interview with Eddie is online in video anywhere from last month?

I heard it on Sirius with a free trial.

Mrcaramelchoc · 23-12-2020 11:29pm

sparrowcar wrote: »

Anyone know if the full Howard Stern interview with Eddie is online in video anywhere from last month?

I have the audio of the whole show if you want I'll post a link tomorrow. Pm me if you want it or if anyone wants it.

Mrcaramelchoc · 26-12-2020 4:31pm

Here is the show if anyone wants it

http://sendanywhe.re/3T65TUDZ

finhex · 19-01-2021 9:21pm

London based tribute band has received letters from Pearl Jam's lawyers:

https://twitter.com/Pearljammband/status/1351160820659531781?s=20

Maybe Pearl Jem got same letter? Their social media seems to be hidden currently.

The Inbetween is mine · 19-01-2021 9:25pm

No arguments with that tbh... A band called Pearl Jamm, selling merch and trading off the original band....they released a tweet or 2 and the tide is against them from what I've seen

PropJoe10 · 19-01-2021 9:38pm

finhex wrote: »

London based tribute band has received letters from Pearl Jam's lawyers:

https://twitter.com/Pearljammband/status/1351160820659531781?s=20

Maybe Pearl Jem got same letter? Their social media seems to be hidden currently.

Pearl Jem changed their name a while ago. Called "Light Years" now.

https://www.facebook.com/lightyearscelebrate

finhex · 19-01-2021 9:46pm

PropJoe10 wrote: »

Pearl Jem changed their name a while ago. Called "Light Years" now.

https://www.facebook.com/lightyearscelebrate

Thanks! Their FB says that "we have worked with Pearl Jam on choosing our new name and will be continuing to celebrate their wonderful music when we will see you at a show in 2021".

So they decided to follow instructions from Pearl Jam lawyers

Penfailed · 19-01-2021 9:59pm

finhex wrote: »

So they decided to follow instructions from Pearl Jam lawyers

Whereas Pearl Jamm are being dicks about it.

siltirocker · 19-01-2021 10:06pm

The Inbetween is mine wrote: »

No arguments with that tbh... A band called Pearl Jamm, selling merch and trading off the original band....they released a tweet or 2 and the tide is against them from what I've seen

Ya, I am pretty sure Pearl Jamm were selling gear with 'PJ' on it. In Pearl Jam recognised fonts and logos.

Also, of our course the band have given legal remit to their people, all bands too, what sort of company has every decision analysed by the band. Sure nothing would get done. They don't sit in on the minutes of each meeting or legal matter like. Even worse from the forums is that some people seem to think that the band are sitting on their computers going "F*** these guys, and these, and, oh, better sue them too!", which is laughable.

That said I wish the Pearl Jamm guys all the best. Sincerely to play in a tribute act requires an heighten amount of fandom. But they need to divorce their emotions from this. Like the Pearl Jem lads were in the same boat a few months ago and just went "Ah ya, fair enough."

PropJoe10 · 20-01-2021 1:18am

siltirocker wrote: »

Ya, I am pretty sure Pearl Jamm were selling gear with 'PJ' on it. In Pearl Jam recognised fonts and logos.

Also, of our course the band have given legal remit to their people, all bands too, what sort of company has every decision analysed by the band. Sure nothing would get done. They don't sit in on the minutes of each meeting or legal matter like. Even worse from the forums is that some people seem to think that the band are sitting on their computers going "F*** these guys, and these, and, oh, better sue them too!", which is laughable.

That said I wish the Pearl Jamm guys all the best. Sincerely to play in a tribute act requires an heighten amount of fandom. But they need to divorce their emotions from this. Like the Pearl Jem lads were in the same boat a few months ago and just went "Ah ya, fair enough."

Yep. I mean, having a tribute band with one extra letter added to the end is a bit much anyway. I don't think you'd get away with calling your tribute band "Led Zeppelinn" or "Metallicaa" for example. Surprised they've gotten away with it for this long!

eviltimeban · 20-01-2021 10:37am

don't care

greenspurs · 20-01-2021 10:46am

Thats about all the band are good for in the last few years .....

P€arl J£m ........

siltirocker · 20-01-2021 2:23pm

greenspurs wrote: »

Thats about all the band are good for in the last few years .....

P€arl J£m ........

We get it man. Change the record.

greenspurs · 20-01-2021 5:02pm

siltirocker wrote: »

We get it man. Change the record.

Side A or Side B ??

fluke · 20-01-2021 8:44pm

So Pearl Jamm have went the arsey route and renamed themselves....

Legal Jam

PropJoe10 · 20-01-2021 9:11pm

Behaving like spoilt brats, to be honest

eviltimeban · 20-01-2021 9:15pm

You'd want to be pretty frickin' stupid to be selling merch with "PJ" on it when you're a Pearl Jam tribute band. And who would wear a tribute band t shirt??

PropJoe10 · 20-01-2021 9:20pm

Its unfortunate to see PJ getting bad press over this. It's obvious trademark infringement.

fluke · 20-01-2021 9:25pm

PropJoe10 wrote: »

Its unfortunate to see PJ getting bad press over this. It's obvious trademark infringement.

The funny side effect of this on Twitter is that Pearl Jamm have lots of support from bands like Oasish, The Fillers and The Smiths Ltd.

greenspurs · 21-01-2021 8:50am

fluke wrote: »

So Pearl Jamm have went the arsey route and renamed themselves....

Legal Jam

Bravo !!!

The Inbetween is mine · 21-01-2021 9:15am

greenspurs wrote: »

Bravo !!!

Hopefully this stops their whining on social media, their attempts to appeal to real Pearl Jam fans fell flat on its face

greenspurs · 21-01-2021 9:28am

The Inbetween is mine wrote: »

Hopefully this stops their whining on social media, their attempts to appeal to real Pearl Jam fans fell flat on its face

Au contraire.....

The reaction is in their favour. Majority of comments are against the corporates,

The Inbetween is mine · 21-01-2021 9:31am

greenspurs wrote: »

Au contraire.....

The reaction is in their favour. Majority of comments are against the corporates,

Not a bit I'm afraid, but do try and spin things whatever way you wish

greenspurs · 21-01-2021 9:50am

https://twitter.com/Pearljammband?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

55 comments underneath the original message about the Cease& Dessist .
The majority of them are in favour of the tribute band .

Spin (the black round shape) on that ....

*i had to change circle, to 'black round shape' in case their lawyers are watching

greenspurs · 21-01-2021 10:20am

Hmmm...

Lets go then. Alternative names for P***L J*m songs.

Album 1 -

"TenT"

Twice
Uneven ebb
Not dead
Please stay
White
Jeremiah
Big Seas
Little covering over the front door
Grass at the back of your house
Not shallow
Let go.

Album 2-
"Against"

Dont Stay
Not a human
Not a son
Kinda bigging up weapons
Rebel Activist
WF person from USA
Red stuff in your veins
Look behind you when driving
Big angry mice
Auld wan in the village
Dogs lead
Pah ..... dont care really.

Album 3

"Study of Life"

You better turn off here.
Rotate the round shape
Get away , thats mine
Jerky jesus
Whats Up? ......
Paraguay , to
Old man pants
Creepy crawlies
Where mother in law sleeps
Do you still have Covid?, No, im ......
No lyric filler
Live forever
People in a Psychiatric hospital talking song

The Inbetween is mine · 21-01-2021 10:20am

greenspurs wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Pearljammband?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

55 comments underneath the original message about the Cease& Dessist .
The majority of them are in favour of the tribute band .

Spin (the black round shape) on that ....

*i had to change circle, to 'black round shape' in case their lawyers are watching

Try having a look at the Ten Members club... you'll see peoples true feelings.. not their own little fanclub

LillySV · 21-01-2021 10:50am

Penfailed wrote: »

Whereas Pearl Jamm are being dicks about it.

Only ones being dicks about this are Pearl Jam... what a pack of greedy ...... They have their money made years ago.... back when they apparently tried to fight big companies like Ticketmaster to ensure the public didn’t have to pay as much fees to see bands... these days eddie vedder goes around chargin multiples of what other bands charge just to see him playing solo! They found that maybe they can feed on the powerless when they’re cups already overfilled! (Just in case they come to sue me, that last line is a twist of lyrics from “hunger strike!)

flasher0030 · 21-01-2021 11:10am

greenspurs wrote: »

Hmmm...

Lets go then. Alternative names for P***L J*m songs.

Album 1 -

"TenT"

Twice
Uneven ebb
Not dead
Please stay
White
Jeremiah
Big Seas
Little covering over the front door
Grass at the back of your house
Not shallow
Let go.

Album 2-
"Against"

Dont Stay
Not a human
Not a son
Kinda bigging up weapons
Rebel Activist
WF person from USA
Red stuff in your veins
Look behind you when driving
Big angry mice
Auld wan in the village
Dogs lead
Pah ..... dont care really.

Album 3

"Study of Life"

You better turn off here.
Rotate the round shape
Get away , thats mine
Jerky jesus
Whats Up? ......
Paraguay , to
Old man pants
Creepy crawlies
Where mother in law sleeps
Do you still have Covid?, No, im ......
No lyric filler
Live forever
People in a Psychiatric hospital talking song

Man, you have little for doing.
Have you no job?

greenspurs · 21-01-2021 11:26am

flasher0030 wrote: »

Man, you have little for doing.
Have you no job?

Have you a sense of humour?

eviltimeban · 21-01-2021 11:31am

greenspurs wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Pearljammband?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

55 comments underneath the original message about the Cease& Dessist .
The majority of them are in favour of the tribute band .

Spin (the black round shape) on that ....

All their mates probably.

PropJoe10 · 21-01-2021 2:27pm

LillySV wrote: »

Only ones being dicks about this are Pearl Jam... what a pack of greedy ...... They have their money made years ago.... back when they apparently tried to fight big companies like Ticketmaster to ensure the public didn’t have to pay as much fees to see bands... these days eddie vedder goes around chargin multiples of what other bands charge just to see him playing solo! They found that maybe they can feed on the powerless when they’re cups already overfilled! (Just in case they come to sue me, that last line is a twist of lyrics from “hunger strike!)

The amount that Vedder charges for his solo shows is way too high, but the rest of what you are saying is nonsense. This tribute band is out there profiting from a trademarked act. They even sell t-shirts with "PJ" on them. In any other walk of life, that'd be trademark infringement, so why should it be any different?

How much money they've made from their own music isn't relevant to this in any shape or form. Why should people be allowed to profit from other people's creations anyway? Tribute bands are great, but they should be making it clear that this is what they are - a tribute act. Pearl Jamm haven't been doing that.

fluke · 21-01-2021 2:32pm

Greenspurs, can't tell if you are a fan or not, as you've a put in a lot of time for that...bit.

LillySV · 21-01-2021 3:36pm

PropJoe10 wrote: »

The amount that Vedder charges for his solo shows is way too high, but the rest of what you are saying is nonsense. This tribute band is out there profiting from a trademarked act. They even sell t-shirts with "PJ" on them. In any other walk of life, that'd be trademark infringement, so why should it be any different?

How much money they've made from their own music isn't relevant to this in any shape or form. Why should people be allowed to profit from other people's creations anyway? Tribute bands are great, but they should be making it clear that this is what they are - a tribute act. Pearl Jamm haven't been doing that.

I doubt anyone’s coming upon Pearl jamms website thinking they’re buying original Pearl Jam t shirts. And what if a small cover band is makin a small bit of money from covering/mimicking a massive international act that made its millions years ago ... frig sake that’s what all pub and cover bands do!! Are Pearl Jam that greedy and miserable now that they have to keep an eye out and threaten some small acts/ordinary people from tryin to honor the band and make a living ... pretty sad. I bet that there’s more chance of fans buyin Pearl Jam back catalogue after hearing the cover band!

What would u say if lady Gaga was on the papers for threatening legal action against a Cavan cover singer called lady gagga who plays in all the Cavan pubs...would ya back her doing it ?

greenspurs · 21-01-2021 3:47pm

fluke wrote: »

Greenspurs, can't tell if you are a fan or not, as you've a put in a lot of time for that...bit.

I was/am ....

Yeh it took a bit of work, but couldnt be ar$ed putting any effort into the rest of the albums.......

Same as the band so :P

eviltimeban · 21-01-2021 4:31pm

While I generally have zero time for tribute bands, and feel there's enough talk about tribute bands on this thread already, I'm pretty sure it wasn't Pearl Jam directly who were responsible for the cease and desist.

It's not like Stone was online and heard about the tribute band and went "hey!!". It was the lawyers and management people.

That's their job. That's what they are paid to do. I doubt Pearl Jam even knew about it.

PropJoe10 · 22-01-2021 9:45pm

LillySV wrote: »

I doubt anyone’s coming upon Pearl jamms website thinking they’re buying original Pearl Jam t shirts. And what if a small cover band is makin a small bit of money from covering/mimicking a massive international act that made its millions years ago ... frig sake that’s what all pub and cover bands do!! Are Pearl Jam that greedy and miserable now that they have to keep an eye out and threaten some small acts/ordinary people from tryin to honor the band and make a living ... pretty sad. I bet that there’s more chance of fans buyin Pearl Jam back catalogue after hearing the cover band!

What would u say if lady Gaga was on the papers for threatening legal action against a Cavan cover singer called lady gagga who plays in all the Cavan pubs...would ya back her doing it ?

I'm as big a fan of cover bands as anyone. I've seen Pearl Jem at least 10 times - but no, I don't think that cover bands should be selling merch and making money off a trademarked brand. Selling shirts with "PJ" on them is clear copyright infringement. I'm not sure what's unclear about that to you, but look, we both have our opinions and you're more than entitled to yours.

pearl jam

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