Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

briany · 22-11-2020 07:01PM

Inquitus wrote: »

Charging $5 a head for a rally with say 30k people attending is a nice little earner, for most people, but after venue rent, security et al he is only going to make, lets say, $100k an event. While this is decent money for a lot of people, there's only so many rallies he can hold and $100k a day is not going to make a significant dent in his debts.

Trump could find backers to pay off his debt, I'd say. There has to be interest in him running again in 2024.

Beechwoodspark · 22-11-2020 07:05PM

Just on the corporate world angle a lot of big players would actively avoid booking trump speeches as they wouldn’t want the bad PR that would follow

PropJoe10 · 22-11-2020 07:09PM

Chris Christie has called Trump's legal team a "national embarrassment". Not half strong enough words, to be fair. They're a global embarrassment to humanity.

jill_valentine · 22-11-2020 07:26PM

briany wrote: »

Trump could find backers to pay off his debt, I'd say. There has to be interest in him running again in 2024.

See... I'm not actually that sure about that. He seems to hate actually being president, he just likes feeling like he won things. I'm not sure he'd want to run again in four years if he feels like there's a chance he might not

In four years he'll be 78, and from what little we've seen of him he's not an especially healthy 74 year old now. He might find he enjoys having rallies whenever he feels like it and whinging about the rigged system from his resort rather than having to be carted around from photo op to photo op.

Smee_Again · 22-11-2020 07:38PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

What would be in a trump book that everyone hasn't already read via his tweets. Less capital letters maybe.

I’m more interested in where it would be in the bookshop?

Fiction I presume.

Tell me how · 22-11-2020 07:42PM

briany wrote: »

Trump could find backers to pay off his debt, I'd say. There has to be interest in him running again in 2024.

This isn't a few hundred thousand or a couple of million owed to the IRS.

This is several hundred million to international banks. This is publicly known as an approaching debt liability as opposed to something which increased because of ambiguity and penalties, interest etc.
Someone coming in and paying that will lead to claims of him being bought and paid for, being compromised, owing a debt to someone etc.
Not to mention it being the most socialist of all socialist deals. I think the act of someone giving him such money in itself would undermine any argument that he should be trusted to be a significant political figure. (A trust that should be virtually non-existent in the first place).

briany · 22-11-2020 07:47PM

jill_valentine wrote: »

See... I'm not actually that sure about that. He seems to hate actually being president, he just likes feeling like he won things. I'm not sure he'd want to run again in four years if he feels like there's a chance he might not

In four years he'll be 78, and from what little we've seen of him he's not an especially healthy 74 year old now. He might find he enjoys having rallies whenever he feels like it and whinging about the rigged system from his resort rather than having to be carted around from photo op to photo op.

He ran in 2016 despite being seen largely as a joke candidate in the early going. I don't think there was any real way of telling what a phenomenon he'd become until he started pushing the right buttons of the Republican base. So, either he's unafraid to attempt something even if he's unsure how successful he'll be, or he goes for things with a firm belief in success no matter the evidence to the contrary.

Would he be fit to run in 4 years? Well, possibly not, but people keep on talking about his health and lifestyle like he could drop dead any minute. If the stories about his eating and exercise are to be believed, how did he even make it to 74? And can we be sure that whatever force is inside him which propels him onward in spite of his lifestyle won't get him to 78 as well?

22-11-2020 08:23PM

Smee_Again wrote: »

I’m more interested in where it would be in the bookshop?

Fiction I presume.

Do Easons have a conspiracy theories section?

timsey tiger · 22-11-2020 08:23PM

briany wrote: »

Would he be fit to run in 4 years? Well, possibly not, but people keep on talking about his health and lifestyle like he could drop dead any minute. If the stories about his eating and exercise are to be believed, how did he even make it to 74? And can we be sure that whatever force is inside him which propels him onward in spite of his lifestyle won't get him to 78 as well?

Being universally known as a confirmed loser is bound to take a toll.

Kermit.de.frog · 22-11-2020 08:23PM

Donald Trump is the greatest president the United States has ever had with the possible exception of Abraham Lincoln.

22-11-2020 08:26PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Donald Trump is the greatest president the United States has ever had with the possible exception of Abraham Lincoln.

From his Twitter or some other grifter?

Eric Cartman · 22-11-2020 08:26PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Donald Trump is the greatest president the United States has ever had with the possible exception of Abraham Lincoln.

many will disagree. But he certainly was not the worst president, which many would agree with. He was no Ronald Raegan though, still the gold standard of US leadership and the only one to ever come close to having an electoral clean sweep. was 3000 votes shy of having every single electoral college vote in 84, thats some resounding seal of approval from the American people.

valoren · 22-11-2020 08:42PM

Just got round to watching Fahrenheit 11/9. I think the National Emergency "Nazi's secretly perpetrating arson in the Reichstag as an excuse to oust opposition" analogy posited by Moore as a pretense to enabling emergency "powers" has turned out to be Trump's attempt at denigrating the election as rigged and seeking to go the Supreme Court route i.e. the Democrat party have committed treason yadda yadda, make me President for life. Thankfully the checks and balances will sink such plans however he has over 70 million subscribers and he has laid the groundwork for millions to align with normalised conspiracy theories, derision of a free press and anger towards the courts, the checks and balances designed to prohibit a sociopath like Trump from seizing autocratic powers.

He has also been seeking options on attacking Iran in some last desperate attempt to create chaos. The sooner he is gone back to Mar a Lago to spend the rest of his days in litigation and a financial mire the better.

Skylinehead · 22-11-2020 08:43PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

many will disagree. But he certainly was not the worst president, which many would agree with. He was no Ronald Raegan though, still the gold standard of US leadership and the only one to ever come close to having an electoral clean sweep. was 3000 votes shy of having every single electoral college vote in 84, thats some resounding seal of approval from the American people.

No, that would be FDR in 1936.

Fiery mutant · 22-11-2020 08:52PM

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

If you listen and follow the current arguments from the other side. Sidney Powell Trump lawyer, evidence is Affidavits (people saying they witnessed this fraud on the day) and they're also going after the Dominion voting systems record here.

There was an admittance Dominion voting machine switched 6,000 votes to Biden from Trump, but i believe that fault was acknowledged here. It does raise some genuine questions though how there machines switched votes from Trump to Biden on election day?

The Trump team would have to get their hands permanently on the computer logs and show hundreds of thousands of election booth votes switched from the Trump slot to Biden during the election.. If they looking to find proof, they leaving it late. The Dominion servers should be in the hands of FBI and other security cyber firms to see if there was potential hacking occurring on election day.

The argument is Trump lost because of late tally counting of mail in votes. With voting machines as far I know are not doing any last minute calculation of mail in ballots? The dominion voting machines could not have added mail votes to Biden tally? Unless i am completely mistaken here?

Trump's team is saying democratic supported election workers tampered with the mail in votes and hundreds of thousands of votes came in from people who are not alive? Witness statements are never enough to convince people alone,
as they may be influenced to have that opinion. There'll will need to be videos, taped conversations here talking fraud, an obvious written record of fraud before the democrats change their minds. Trump team will have a long battle to convince the wider public they are telling the truth. Right now the evidence for wide spread fraud weak, but i open to evidence if came to light.

I haven’t heard this. I did hear there was 6000 untallied votes found for Trump, but that was human error and not votes getting ‘switched’.

briany · 22-11-2020 09:01PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Donald Trump is the greatest president the United States has ever had with the possible exception of Abraham Lincoln.

He's the greatest president the U.S. has ever had with the exception of George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, John Quincy Adams, Andrew Jackson, Martin Van Buren, William Henry Harrison, John Tyler, James K. Polk, Zachary Taylor, Millard Fillmore, Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan, Abraham Lincoln, Andrew Johnson, Ulysses S. Grant, Rutherford B. Hayes, James Garfield, Chester A. Arthur, Grover Cleveland, Benjamin Harrison, William McKinley, Theodore Roosevelt, William Howard Taft, Woodrow Wilson, Warren G. Harding, Calvin Coolidge, Herbert Hoover, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman, Dwight D. Eisenhower, John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson, Richard M. Nixon, Gerald R. Ford, James Carter, Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, William J. Clinton, George W. Bush,
and Barack Obama.

ohnonotgmail · 22-11-2020 09:01PM

Fiery mutant wrote: »

I haven’t heard this. I did hear there was 6000 untallied votes found for Trump, but that was human error and not votes getting ‘switched’.

It was human error as you say. There were no votes switched. the error was caught by the systems in place to catch human error. If anything it showed how robust the system is.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/20/fact-check-alleged-dominion-democrats-links-wrong-misleading/6248542002/

ohnonotgmail · 22-11-2020 09:02PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

many will disagree. But he certainly was not the worst president, which many would agree with. He was no Ronald Raegan though, still the gold standard of US leadership and the only one to ever come close to having an electoral clean sweep. was 3000 votes shy of having every single electoral college vote in 84, thats some resounding seal of approval from the American people.

He is certainly the worst person to be president. and there have been some stinkers along the way.

firemansam4 · 22-11-2020 09:03PM

Fiery mutant wrote:

I havenâ€™t heard this. I did hear there was 6000 untallied votes found for Trump, but that was human error and not votes getting â€˜switchedâ€™.

Yes I am also curious about this.

Who admitted this? And any links to where there is evidence of this happening?

duploelabs · 22-11-2020 09:04PM

firemansam4 wrote: »

Yes I am also curious about this.

Who admitted this? And any links to where there is evidence of this happening?

Literally three posts above is your answer

ohnonotgmail · 22-11-2020 09:14PM

As the only incident involving Dominion and 6000 votes is the one I linked to it is fair to say that CS has misunderstood what happened.

firemansam4 · 22-11-2020 09:16PM

duploelabs wrote:

Literally three posts above is your answer

Yea just had a look at that link after I posted.

I did hear about missing votes but was wondering where this story about switching votes from Trump to Biden came from.

duploelabs · 22-11-2020 09:18PM

Given his financial predicament and supposedly he avoids jail time, what's stopping trump selling state secrets in order to lessen his financial burden? I assume he'll be heavily monitored by his security detail

ohnonotgmail · 22-11-2020 09:18PM

firemansam4 wrote: »

Yea just had a look at that link after I posted.

I did hear about missing votes but was wondering where this story about switching votes from Trump to Biden came from.

somebodies imagination. there is a lot of that going around in the US at the moment.

Professor Moriarty · 22-11-2020 10:16PM

duploelabs wrote: »

Given his financial predicament and supposedly he avoids jail time, what's stopping trump selling state secrets in order to lessen his financial burden? I assume he'll be heavily monitored by his security detail

This would take Trump down the road of treason which might necessitate execution. That would be terrible.

ohnonotgmail · 22-11-2020 10:18PM

duploelabs wrote: »

Given his financial predicament and supposedly he avoids jail time, what's stopping trump selling state secrets in order to lessen his financial burden? I assume he'll be heavily monitored by his security detail

that presumes he was paying attention during his security briefings

francois · 22-11-2020 10:18PM

duploelabs wrote: »

Given his financial predicament and supposedly he avoids jail time, what's stopping trump selling state secrets in order to lessen his financial burden? I assume he'll be heavily monitored by his security detail

In fairness he hardly bothered to even read the bullet point memos on security he was given every morning. What Tillerson said, something about him being a f***ing moron.
Weren't some sensitive things kept from him, as he just wasn't trusted by the adults

jill_valentine · 22-11-2020 11:08PM

duploelabs wrote: »

Given his financial predicament and supposedly he avoids jail time, what's stopping trump selling state secrets in order to lessen his financial burden?

I'd be surprised there are any secrets left at this point, frankly.

PropJoe10 · 22-11-2020 11:25PM

francois wrote: »

In fairness he hardly bothered to even read the bullet point memos on security he was given every morning. What Tillerson said, something about him being a f***ing moron.
Weren't some sensitive things kept from him, as he just wasn't trusted by the adults

They had to make sure that the briefings included lots of pictures - otherwise, he'd lose interest. Remarkable, but apparently the case.

everlast75 · 22-11-2020 11:37PM

https://twitter.com/JennaEllisEsq/status/1330638034619035655?s=09

What the ever loving hell is going on?

Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

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