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Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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  • #6902
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Leilani Proud Hockey wrote: »
    Thought we saw the end of that nonsense rule in summer

    Thought we saw the end of people not understanding that rule in summer.


  • #6903
    FinglasFollain
    Closed Accounts Posts: 89 ✭✭FinglasFollain


    Munsterman12 wrote: »
    Outrageous attitude. People need to be intelligent against the enemy that is coronavirus. People like you are the equivalent of informers in the war of independence.

    An informer? For crossing an arbitrary border? The absolute hysteria.


  • #6904
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Not even 10 am and think we've a winner for the day.

    Calling me an informer in the war of independence must be worse


  • #6905
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,439 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Has there been any flu cases identified so far this autumn/winter?

    https://twitter.com/riochtconor2/status/1330438012149305345?s=21


  • #6906
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    It literally beggars belief that we will probably go through not just a second but a a third round of delusional denial period of people somehow convincing themslves Ireland is immune to covid overwhelming hospitals based solely on the fact it hasn't happened already when we can plainly see what happened in Europe not once but twice before our very eyes . I just can't for the life of me understand how somebody could be wilfully that ignorant to reality

    No, it beggars belief that some people cannot realise that our hospitals have not been overwhelmed. For some people it seems to be about having no Covid patients rather than having too many. We have hospitals for a purpose. Anyway, the reality is that the genie is out of the bottle and most people are now getting on with their lives.


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  • #6907
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,439 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Going by this tweet, obviously not 100% confident it’s accurate. But to say less then 1% (0.87%) of cases have come from the hospitality sector.. you’d wonder why they are shut same goes goes for retail at 0.31%

    https://twitter.com/oliveblogs/status/1330212538018115590?s=21


  • #6908
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    owlbethere wrote: »
    Colds used to feature regularly in my life. When I got a cold, many times it developed into sinus infections and I would suffer for 2/3 months with headaches and pressure and sometimes loss of hearing in an ear.

    I never once got sick last winter. I am looking after myself better and eating better and taking supplements and wrapping up warm when it's cold. I never got a cold this year either. I'm delighted. I put it down to all the covid measures and looking after myself better. I hope this good spell of health continues.

    Next we'll have bald men claiming that their hair is growing again thanks to the restrictions.


  • #6909
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    It literally beggars belief that we will probably go through not just a second but a a third round of delusional denial period of people somehow convincing themslves Ireland is immune to covid overwhelming hospitals based solely on the fact it hasn't happened already when we can plainly see what happened in Europe not once but twice before our very eyes . I just can't for the life of me understand how somebody could be wilfully that ignorant to reality

    What hospitals were overwhelmed in Europe like what happened in Italy unless your talking about being overwhelmed like we have seen every winter in Ireland for the last 20 years.


  • #6910
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    polesheep wrote: »
    The hospitals have not been overwhelmed to date and there is no reason to suppose that they will this side of a vaccine roll-out.

    That's because of the measures taken by the government. I've a feeling if they'd done nothing you'd be first in line telling everyone how slow they where to react.

    I'm not a fan of FG or FF but they've handled this emergency better than most would have.


  • #6911
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    That's because of the measures taken by the government. I've a feeling if they'd done nothing you'd be first in line telling everyone how slow they where to react.

    I'm not a fan of FG or FF but they've handled this emergency better than most would have.

    So do you think if we had stayed in level 3 we would have seen scenes like we did in Italy in March and 1000s would have died, do you honestly believe that.


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  • #6912
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    niallo27 wrote: »
    What hospitals were overwhelmed in Europe like what happened in Italy unless your talking about being overwhelmed like we have seen every winter in Ireland for the last 20 years.

    Yep field hospitals across Poland, Moscow and Czech Republic and UN doctors flying into Prague and Belgium almost exceeding not only all normal ICU capacity but almost the large additional surge capacity as well is completely normal

    Do you know patients were transferred from parts of Netherlands and Belgium and France to Germany, and also domestically within Belgium to less affected regions? What does overhwelmed mean to you? A hospital that can't treat all patients particularly those requiring ICU treatment is overwhelmed, this has happened in many regions of Europe, I don't see what else can define a hospital as overwhelmed unless you think overhwhelmed has to mean the media snapping shots of people dropping dead in corridors.
    The comparison to normal winter overcrowding is not valid because all these European hospitals have cancelled elective surgeries and implemented surge capacity which is not there in normal years and this barely made do still just to handle COVID patients alone


  • #6913
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    niallo27 wrote: »
    So do you think if we had stayed in level 3 we would have seen scenes like we did in Italy in March and 1000s would have died, do you honestly believe that.

    Clearly you don`t think so. I suppose if you were the one making decisions here then the virus would be let rip throughout the country and **** the consequences. Am I right?


  • #6914
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Yep field hospitals across Poland, Moscow and Czech Republic and UN doctors flying into Prague and Belgium almost exceeding not only all normal ICU capacity but almost the large additional surge capacity as well is completely normal

    Do you know patients were transferred from parts of Netherlands and Belgium and France to Germany, and also domestically within Belgium to less affected regions? What does overhwelmed mean to you? A hospital that can't treat all patients particularly those requiring ICU treatment is overwhelmed, this has happened in many regions of Europe, I don't see what else can define a hospital as overwhelmed unless you think overhwhelmed has to mean the media snapping shots of people dropping dead in corridors.
    The comparison to normal winter overcrowding is not valid because all these European hospitals have cancelled elective surgeries and implemented surge capacity which is not there in normal years and this barely made do still just to handle COVID patients alone

    The main word there is almost. There is no denying its a **** show but I don't think we will ever see scenes like we did in Italy in March. My point with normal overcrowding is that we cope every winter but somehow if it happened this winter the whole world will collapse. Do you think if we stayed in level 3 the hospital system would have collapsed.


  • #6915
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    John O.Groats wrote: »
    Clearly you don`t think so. I suppose if you were the one making decisions here then the virus would be let rip throughout the country and **** the consequences. Am I right?

    Hang on do you think level 3 is equivalent to letting the virus rip through the country and no I don't think level 3 would have seen the hospital system collapsing.


  • #6916
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    niallo27 wrote: »
    The main word there is almost. There is no denying its a **** show but I don't think we will ever see scenes like we did in Italy in March. My point with normal overcrowding is that we cope every winter but somehow if it happened this winter the whole world will collapse. Do you think if we stayed in level 3 the hospital system would have collapsed.

    But getting to that almost point is really undesirable in the first place, the almost point is already overwhelmed. As I said some people are thinking that the word has to mean exact same scenario as what occurred in Italy .If hospitals are just treating one illness predominantly and still almost not meeting capacity that is long past ovewhelmed . Many patients who don't have COVID but other illnesses are being pushed aside out of necessity, if it is let get to a point where an entire nation or regions healthcare has to focus only on treating covid patients as is happening across Europe now for a second time this will lead to excess deaths among victims of other illnesses. And what is a hospital that is ignoring treatment of people who are sick with things other than COVID, I would certainly say that is overwhelmed


  • #6917
    The_Brood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 838 ✭✭✭The_Brood


    One of the most obnoxious and mind-numbingly dumbest things in this entire Covid 19 debacle has been Western politicians, Ireland included, along with multitudes on twitter blaming non-stop the anti-maskers and the fools ignoring the restrictions on the streets for the spread of the virus, acting as if "if it wasn't for them things would be so much better, if it wasn't for these covididiots " etc. etc......as if there is nothing at all to be done about that. They just act the way they do, and all we can do is post snarky things on twitter as covid spreads, end of.

    Really?

    Have we forgotten how pretty all of human civilization works? Since the dawn of time? Politicians would love for you to forget of course because then they don't have to make tough decisions.

    But like....this is why we have police. With weapons. This is why we have prisons. And the courts. Because there are important rules to follow in society concerning protecting people's lives and livelihoods, and even if the majority of people abide by them, there are always, always, always without exception, everywhere for any rule, people willing and able to break those rules.

    So how is this different? If people are purposefully spreading covid and costing lives and ensuring more lockdowns, which they are....we just sit back and take it and post mean things on twitter? Really?

    Does that work for any other serious crime? We just wag our fingers and say nothing can be done about it?

    Is Europe that enormously, obnoxiously, unredeemably stupid? Because we don't want 'human rights' groups criticizing us for police brutality, we are ok with just dying off, with endless economic lockdowns and endless welfare states?

    Is this what we have come down to?

    Congratulations, we are "not China." Here's a bunch of covid deaths as your reward. Congratulations, we are not "authoritarian." Here's ruined businesses and people's lives put on hold for years.

    Why not get rid of any and all police, why not get rid of any and all laws, and let's use twitter to shame people who cause harm, nothing more. Great idea.

    Anyone who doesn't see that sometimes very, very, very strong police actions is needed, extremely strong police action, is just as guilty of all the covid misery as the covidiots. That's what 'human rights' has earned us in this case.


  • #6918
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    niallo27 wrote: »
    If you are doing the right things and keeping safe, **** them stupid County rules, more important things in life.

    If you are doing the right things then you would not be adocating flouting the "stupid county rules" without a valid reason.


  • #6919
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,384 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Imagine how stupid you would feel if you don't visit home this Xmas because of rules most people aren't sticking to.


  • #6920
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    John O.Groats wrote: »
    If you are doing the right things then you would not be considering flouting the "stupid county rules" without a valid reason.

    Seeing your loved ones for a few hours if you haven't seen them all year like the original poster said is a pretty valid reason to me.


  • #6921
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,384 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    I think some people really just love rules, they are almost fanatical about them.

    They'd rather have a miserable Xmas than break rules.


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  • #6922
    manniot2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭manniot2


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    I think some people really just love rules, they are almost fanatical about them.

    They'd rather have a miserable Xmas than break rules.

    martyrs and virtue signallers.


  • #6923
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    Going by this tweet, obviously not 100% confident it’s accurate. But to say less then 1% (0.87%) of cases have come from the hospitality sector.. you’d wonder why they are shut same goes goes for retail at 0.31%

    https://twitter.com/oliveblogs/status/1330212538018115590?s=21

    If the above graphic is valid, it seems pretty startling. 74% of cases in private houses - sure they should be kicking us OUT of our house and INTO the pubs :pac:
    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Bars closing at 10pm? Like an invite to "let's go back to my house for a few jars" when they're kicked out. :rolleyes:

    MOR316 wrote: »
    Yep. Would be a stupid move!
    Some may deny it and say only a few "irresponsible idiots" would do it but, let's face it, that will happen with a lot of people

    If they are to open, best just to let them open until 12 or 12:30.
    Miike wrote: »
    You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. If people are going to carry on like that we'll have another episode of level 5 much sooner than anyone wants and it'll be same crowd who will moan and whinge about infringements on their civil liberties by "lockdowns"...

    The point is that significant numbers of people will do that. It seems reasonable to assume that if you kick people out at 10pm, it's still early enough that a lot will say it's too early to head home to bed. That's the problem. At least with normal hours, some chance that most will have had their fill. Call that a problem with alcohol if you will. But it will apply to significant numbers.


  • #6924
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    manniot2 wrote: »
    martyrs and virtue signallers.

    Go to the drive thru testing in Dublin airport and get tested a few days before Christmas. Results in a day or two. Then visit your family with a clear conscience and piece of mind for all


  • #6925
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Seeing your loved ones for a few hours if you haven't seen them all year like the original poster said is a pretty valid reason to me.

    Actually no it isn`t a valid reason. I`m referring to essential service workers and the like as having a valid reason to not follow the rules .


  • #6926
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,384 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Go to the drive thru testing in Dublin airport and get tested a few days before Christmas. Results in a day or two. Then visit your family with a clear conscience and piece of mind for all

    This still isn't good enough for some people. They want people to be miserable.


  • #6927
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    manniot2 wrote: »
    martyrs and virtue signallers.

    Would that be as oposed to the delusional ostriches and anti authority rabble rousers on the other end of tbe scale?


  • #6928
    BringBackMick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭BringBackMick


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I have relatives in Nova Scotia, Canada. Its a bit smaller than Ireland and they have 1 million people, so they dont have the same population density.

    That said, they currently have approx 20 cases, and some people are going up the walls about it. The recent cases have been directly traced to restaurants.

    If there were 300+ cases per day in NS, the whole place would be locked down, schools included. Currently all school children wear masks to school in NS. Supermarkets allow only 20 people in at a time, of licenses less. There are queues at the doors as a result.

    It is mandatory to self-isolate for 2 weeks upon entering the province.

    The first medial officer has recommended that nobody goes on a winter break to Cuba or the Dominican Rep this year. It is a popular Christmas holiday destination for people in NS.

    There is no question of house parties, wakes, funerals.. any large gathering in general.

    Is this the guy from Joeeeeeeeeeeee Duffy during the week?


  • #6929
    Thats me
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 639 ✭✭✭Thats me


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    74% of cases in private houses - sure they should be kicking us OUT of our house and INTO the pubs :pac:

    Bwo-gha-gha, nice point! :D


  • #6930
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,155 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    This still isn't good enough for some people. They want people to be miserable.


    Who wants people to be miserable? How many of them are there?


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  • #6931
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    Is this the guy from Joeeeeeeeeeeee Duffy during the week?

    no, I missed that. Was there someone on from NS?


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