Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

Inquitus wrote: »

To be fair the Drug Pricing initiative is one of the better things Trump has done as president!

The thing is about Trump whenever his admin does anything remotely good he claims it's historic and that no other president has ever done anything like it before so even giving him credit for it is difficult because it might sound like you are endorsing the usual Trump bluster.

And then there are those who believe everything he says so genuinely think he is the second coming of Lincoln, Washington and Jesus all rolled into one.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I’ve been fascinated by the lack of comment on Trump’s antics by various right wing commentators who live to stick the boot into “lefties”. But I didn’t expect Douglas Murray to be so goddamn brazen when he eventually did write about this fiasco. Plenty of evidence of fraud but Trump hasn’t produced any yet? Mmmkay, Douglas.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/donald-trump-wont-leave-me-alone

I think Sam Harris is the only one of these "Intellectual Dark Web" that has dismissed the voter fraud claims as nonsense.

wes wrote: »

Its becoming clearer and clearer, that those on the right are a threat to democracy.

I don't think it's fair to tar 'those on the right' with the same brush. You can be right of centre and still respect the democratic process above all, just as left of centre people can. Extremism of any hue is more the problem because extremists tend to be uncompromising and prioritise their values above all else. There's no value placed in consensus with these people.

Right-wing extremism, especially in the U.S., has been fuelled by a lot of conspiracy theory. It's not the only factor - we can also talk about economic and social problems which make the ground fertile in the first place - but the conspiracy element appears to be what gives voice to proceedings. This has historical precedent - the rise of the Nazis had a strongly conspiratorial element where the problems of Germany were blamed on the Jews.

But it's a little heartening to see that at least when the current conspiratorial thinking emerges into the cold light of day and actually tries to mount a legal challenge to prove itself, it's shown for what it is, i.e. hot air.

eagle eye wrote: »

Those on the far right and far left are always a threat to democracy. Thankfully there's not enough of them.

the only extant threat to democracy in the US is from trump and his far right base. There is no thread to democracy from the far left in the US

briany wrote: »

Very minute, little credibility, as I said. I was trying to stipulate the faintest amount possible, or right next to it. Normally, Jim Corr trades in the kind of unfalsifiable hogwash that others of his kind do, with 'unfalsifiable' being a kind of shield for conspiracy theorists. It's all really just loose talk being bandied about. The voting fraud conspiracy is maybe not totally unique but certainly uncommon in that it's actually going to court to try to prove itself, and coming up as utterly baseless. So Corr's insistence on the conspiracy in spite of that is a very cut-and-dried exposure of what he is.

Jim has been a loon for a very long time

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Jim has been a loon for a very long time

Yes, I agree. The point was that the court findings underline this. Normally, grand conspiratorial claims such as this are not brought to court, and those promoting such claims probably know deep down that they wouldn't stand up. It just emphasises what a lunatic someone like Corr is to continue on with it even after one such claim of his has been found out under logical, scientific and legally-binding review.

Cody montana wrote: »

Yeah but sometimes he still leaves you breathless.

no, it is his sisters that do that.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Aye, whilst I think Trump and his acolytes are being hugely undignified, on the other hand, I’m okay with these challenges taking place. If they didn’t, conspiracy theories would proliferate. The solid rejection of all the challenges makes the fraud believers look like even bigger loons than they would have without the challenges.

If you think that a court finding there is no evidence of election fraud will convince them that they are wrong then you don't know conspiracy theorists.

briany wrote:

Don't think you're wrong, there, but it always helps to retard the spread of their toxic ideas.

Just don't give Trump any air time when this is over and all he'll have in a couple of months are the real hardcore followers.

froog wrote: »

surely what trump is trying to do in michigan is highly illegal? pressuring state legislature, meetings in the white house etc

It's a blatant assault on the democratic process. Won't make a blind bit of difference to the Trump apologists though. We haven't seen an assault on democracy like this since Europe in the 1930s.

PropJoe10 wrote: »

It's a blatant assault on the democratic process. Won't make a blind bit of difference to the Trump apologists though. We haven't seen an assault on democracy like this since Europe in the 1930s.

yeah ok. lets not overdo it there capt hyperbole. ffs.

When you've lost the wall street journal...

https://twitter.com/DrDenaGrayson/status/1330149359435001857?s=19