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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 547 ✭✭✭BeefeaterHat


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    I'd say almost every penny is banked. I doubt he has to reach into his pocket for very much somehow - another perk of the job.

    I'm sure when he eventually retires Mr Higgins will donate all his pensions and savings to the state like a good citizen and live the life of a simple sheep farmer on the galtee mór.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 117 ✭✭zf0wqv9oemuasj


    Not everyone has the advantage of living with their parents to build up a rainy day fund.

    Hi, I never said that they did? I am not sure why you are directing that comment towards me, I haven’t lived at home since my early 20’s. I house shared through my 20’s and now own a home with my wife.

    Granted rent was a lot cheaper, in house shares especially, when I did rent but I still saved quite a bit in those times.


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    I'm sure when he eventually retires Mr Higgins will donate all his pensions and savings to the state like a good citizen and live the life of a simple sheep farmer on the galtee mór.

    100% never trust a man who actually looks like a mini me version of jimmy saville!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,301 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    I posted this on mask thread but I stick it out here too. Post made in comment section on website by anonymous chemist:

    I was trained as a chemist. A large part of my professional career was working in various parts of the filtration industry. I developed a line of mixed esters of cellulose membrane filters. Millipore type filters, that were used to sterilize flu vaccines for Merck Sharp and Dohme as well as other medical products companies. I developed respiratory protection products for Wilson Safety Products used in the mining industry. I worked for Baxter developing medical / IV filters. I have patents on three IV filters I invented. Baxter sold more than 5 million of one of those every year for most of a decade. I know a little bit about filters.

    Surgical masks were not designed as filters and were not intended to be used as filters. Surgical masks were designed to be used by surgeons standing face down over an operating table holding a patient with an open wound. The surgeon wearing the mask would be able to talk to others in the room without discharging spittle droplets into the patient's wound. Spittle droplets are large and can cause infection.

    I witnessed a test of surgical masks. Small plaster particles were generated in a room. They were visible as a white dust in the air. A man was properly fitted with a surgical mask and spent a short time in the room. When he came out the mask was removed. A camera was focused on the man’s face. The entire area that had been covered by the mask was coated by the white dust. The camera showed that his nostrils and his mouth had been penetrated by the white dust. The dust particles were measured and found to be around 40 micrometers in diameter. The particles that penetrated the mask were the same diameter.

    Covid-19 virus molecules are about 0.1 micrometers in diameter. That is 400 times smaller than the plaster particles that penetrated the mask.

    Surgical masks will not prevent the wearer from inhaling or exhaling viruses or bacteria. They provide absolutely no protection for either the wearer or anyone nearby. They create a very dangerous false sense of security for everyone. They also force the wearer to rebreath carbon dioxide. Which will over time reduce the wearers blood oxygen level. That can become very dangerous especially for older people.

    This farce is being promoted by sleazy politicians who believe that if they can convince people that they are protecting them or creating a safe environment for them by pushing this mask farce those people will re-elect them.

    All politicians pushing this dangerous mask farce should be voted out of office as soon as possible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,301 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Another article with interesting reading:

    Top Pathologist Claims COVID-19 Is "The Greatest Hoax Ever Perpetrated On An Unsuspecting Public"

    Top pathologist Dr. Roger Hodkinson told government officials in Alberta during a zoom conference call that the current coronavirus crisis is “the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public.”
    Hodkinson’s comments were made during a discussion involving the Community and Public Services Committee and the clip was subsequently uploaded to YouTube.

    Noting that he was also an expert in virology, Hodkinson pointed out that his role as CEO of a biotech company that manufactures COVID tests means, “I might know a little bit about all this.”

    “There is utterly unfounded public hysteria driven by the media and politicians, it’s outrageous, this is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public,” said Hodkinson.

    The doctor said that nothing could be done to stop the spread of the virus besides protecting older more vulnerable people and that the whole situation represented “politics playing medicine, and that’s a very dangerous game.”

    Hodkinson remarked that “social distancing is useless because COVID is spread by aerosols which travel 30 meters or so before landing,” as he called for society to be re-opened immediately to prevent the debilitating damage being caused by lockdowns.

    Hodkinson also slammed mandatory mask mandates as completely pointless.

    “Masks are utterly useless. There is no evidence base for their effectiveness whatsoever,” he said.

    “Paper masks and fabric masks are simply virtue signalling. They’re not even worn effectively most of the time. It’s utterly ridiculous. Seeing these unfortunate, uneducated people – I’m not saying that in a pejorative sense – seeing these people walking around like lemmings obeying without any knowledge base to put the mask on their face.”

    The doctor also slammed the unreliability of PCR tests, noting that “positive test results do not, underlined in neon, mean a clinical infection,” and that all testing should stop because the false numbers are “driving public hysteria.”

    Hodkinson said that the risk of death in the province of Alberta for people under the age of 65 was “one in three hundred thousand,” and that it was simply “outrageous” to shut down society for what the doctor said “was just another bad flu.”

    “I’m absolutely outraged that this has reached this level, it should all stop tomorrow,” concluded Dr. Hodkinson.

    Hodkinson’s credentials are beyond question, with the MedMalDoctors website affirming his credibility.

    “He received his general medical degrees from Cambridge University in the UK (M.A., M.B., B. Chir.) where he was a scholar at Corpus Christi College. Following a residency at the University of British Columbia he became a Royal College certified general pathologist (FRCPC) and also a Fellow of the College of American Pathologists (FCAP).”

    “He is in good Standing with the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Alberta, and has been recognized by the Court of Queen’s Bench in Alberta as an expert in pathology.”

    Video:
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/hWPjDdXOWkOo/


    (Factchecking covid virtue signalling and browbeating abuse will be ignored)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,470 ✭✭✭MOH


    I also would not be in a large level of agreement with statements around businesses being baldy run if they have cash reserves, I would actually find that a very strange comment and I think any business should aim to have a cash reserve for unforeseen circumstances.

    Businesses will have some level of cash reserves, they're not surviving day to day. But 9 months is a completely different story.

    A business can keep a large chunk of the profit it's earned each year as cash towards a "rainy day" fund for the highly unlikely scenario it will be shuttered for 9 months, or invest it in assets or other improvements to the business.

    And given it pays corporation tax on the profits, it makes sense to reinvest the money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    patnor1011 wrote: »
    Another article with interesting reading:

    Top Pathologist Claims COVID-19 Is "The Greatest Hoax Ever Perpetrated On An Unsuspecting Public"

    Top pathologist Dr. Roger Hodkinson told government officials in Alberta during a zoom conference call that the current coronavirus crisis is “the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public.”
    Hodkinson’s comments were made during a discussion involving the Community and Public Services Committee and the clip was subsequently uploaded to YouTube.

    Noting that he was also an expert in virology, Hodkinson pointed out that his role as CEO of a biotech company that manufactures COVID tests means, “I might know a little bit about all this.”

    “There is utterly unfounded public hysteria driven by the media and politicians, it’s outrageous, this is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public,” said Hodkinson.

    The doctor said that nothing could be done to stop the spread of the virus besides protecting older more vulnerable people and that the whole situation represented “politics playing medicine, and that’s a very dangerous game.”

    Hodkinson remarked that “social distancing is useless because COVID is spread by aerosols which travel 30 meters or so before landing,” as he called for society to be re-opened immediately to prevent the debilitating damage being caused by lockdowns.

    Hodkinson also slammed mandatory mask mandates as completely pointless.

    “Masks are utterly useless. There is no evidence base for their effectiveness whatsoever,” he said.

    “Paper masks and fabric masks are simply virtue signalling. They’re not even worn effectively most of the time. It’s utterly ridiculous. Seeing these unfortunate, uneducated people – I’m not saying that in a pejorative sense – seeing these people walking around like lemmings obeying without any knowledge base to put the mask on their face.”

    The doctor also slammed the unreliability of PCR tests, noting that “positive test results do not, underlined in neon, mean a clinical infection,” and that all testing should stop because the false numbers are “driving public hysteria.”

    Hodkinson said that the risk of death in the province of Alberta for people under the age of 65 was “one in three hundred thousand,” and that it was simply “outrageous” to shut down society for what the doctor said “was just another bad flu.”

    “I’m absolutely outraged that this has reached this level, it should all stop tomorrow,” concluded Dr. Hodkinson.

    Hodkinson’s credentials are beyond question, with the MedMalDoctors website affirming his credibility.

    “He received his general medical degrees from Cambridge University in the UK (M.A., M.B., B. Chir.) where he was a scholar at Corpus Christi College. Following a residency at the University of British Columbia he became a Royal College certified general pathologist (FRCPC) and also a Fellow of the College of American Pathologists (FCAP).”

    “He is in good Standing with the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Alberta, and has been recognized by the Court of Queen’s Bench in Alberta as an expert in pathology.”

    Video:
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/hWPjDdXOWkOo/


    (Factchecking covid virtue signalling and browbeating abuse will be ignored)
    Really sad to see somebody using their reputation to spread misinformation.
    Okay let's start
    The doctor said that nothing could be done to stop the spread of the virus besides protecting older more vulnerable people and that the whole situation represented “politics playing medicine, and that’s a very dangerous game.”
    Has he heard of the country of Taiwan before? South Korea ring any bells? What about Australia or New Zealand?
    “Masks are utterly useless. There is no evidence base for their effectiveness whatsoever,” he said.
    Simply an erroneous statement , not to say he's wrong that they are fairly useless at the best of times, but to say that there is no evidence of their effectiveness is literally an incorrect statement. There are many contradictory studies of high quality. A major study just yesterday in Denmark for example showed they reduce risk of infection by 15-20%, not great but certainly not useless, but as I said the way he's worded it means he's incorrect. He's literally telling lies to your face and youre eating it up
    Hodkinson said that the risk of death in the province of Alberta for people under the age of 65 was “one in three hundred thousand,”
    Let's take a similar population, USA, 280 million people under 65 in the US. If chances of death from COVID in this population was 1 in 300,000 then USA could see at most 930 COVID deaths allegedly.
    USA has recorded 50,000 COVID deaths under 65. For your sake let's say the evil scare mongering American government has wrongly categorised 98% of COVID deaths under 65 which really just died 'with COVID' and cause of death was truly another illness.
    That's STILL 1000 deaths and still more than COVID deaths under 65 than this guy is claiming is possible LOL

    Seriously, find a better mascot who maybe comes outwith stuff a little more believable and so incredibly easy to poke holes in


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,301 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Covid death? A big difference between death with covid and death from covid.
    Really? I would bet that that "mascot" as you call him has quite more experience and is quite more educated in this particular field than you.

    Hodkinson’s credentials are beyond question, with the MedMalDoctors website affirming his credibility.
    “He received his general medical degrees from Cambridge University in the UK (M.A., M.B., B. Chir.) where he was a scholar at Corpus Christi College. Following a residency at the University of British Columbia he became a Royal College certified general pathologist (FRCPC) and also a Fellow of the College of American Pathologists (FCAP).”
    “He is in good Standing with the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Alberta, and has been recognized by the Court of Queen’s Bench in Alberta as an expert in pathology.”

    Now be a champ and post your credentials since you call him "mascot" who does not know what he is talking about.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭bush


    Can't wait until masks are not mandatory, surprised we are still carrying on this charade wearing them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    patnor1011 wrote: »
    Covid death? A big difference between death with covid and death from covid.
    Really? I would bet that that "mascot" as you call him has quite more experience and is quite more educated in this particular field than you.

    Hodkinson’s credentials are beyond question, with the MedMalDoctors website affirming his credibility.
    “He received his general medical degrees from Cambridge University in the UK (M.A., M.B., B. Chir.) where he was a scholar at Corpus Christi College. Following a residency at the University of British Columbia he became a Royal College certified general pathologist (FRCPC) and also a Fellow of the College of American Pathologists (FCAP).”
    “He is in good Standing with the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Alberta, and has been recognized by the Court of Queen’s Bench in Alberta as an expert in pathology.”

    Now be a champ and post your credentials since you call him "mascot" who does not know what he is talking about.

    I have pointed out inconsistencies in his argument that the dog on the street can see do not line up with reality. He said 'nothing could be done to stop the spread of the virus' .
    HE. IS. LITERALLY. INCORRECT. Taiwan has not reported a local infection in over 200 days.They stopped it .Man some level of delusion one must need to experience to get behind that argument just because of his credentials. Do you think a smart person can say nothing wrong? Nothing in their entire life, no?
    The fact he is smarter and more educated than me, does not matter when he is saying those things that can be easily pointed out as incorrect.
    But by all means keep banging on about his education history, it truly is impressive but does not change the fact several of his claims are demonstrable false.

    Anyway, very convenient that this is a 'secret recording' ie. no proof of identity. No visual to prove it is him, or his voice. Not posted on any reputable platform. Just some cospiracy sites. There is absolutely no way of verifying this as anything more than a dubbing. Who tf are the people on the skype call?Can any of them even be verified as members of this so called committee?
    And tell me, if he was invited to speak to this small committe presumably because they are aware of his credentials and as such were interested to hear his valuable opinion, and yet he begins with his life story, just to make it crystal clear to us how totally educated he is. Gas, all of it


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    The website that Patnor has linked us all to btw guys :)
    BitChute is a video hosting service known for accommodating far-right individuals and conspiracy theorists, and for hosting hateful material.
    Thank you Pat, I needed a good laugh tonight.
    A wonderful contribution to the thread


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    wakka12 wrote: »
    The website that Patnor has linked us all to btw guys :)
    Thank you Pat, I needed a good laugh tonight.
    A wonderful contribution to the thread
    Henry ford was a nororious racist who gave us the 5 day working week and the first assembly line...oh yeah and mass produced affordable cars... humphrey davy was a notorious abuser of nitrous oxide, it killed him in the end even though at the time he discovered 20% of the then 60 something elements now on the periodic table... what does their views or past times have anything to do with their credentials...dont be so predictable...the man is an expert in his field.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    rusty cole wrote: »
    Henry ford was a nororious racist who gave us the 5 day working week and the first assembly line...oh yeah and mass produced affordable cars... humphrey davy was a notorious abuser of nitrous oxide, it killed him in the end even though at the time he discovered 20% of the then 60 something elements now on the periodic table... what does their views or past times have anything to do with their credentials...dont be so predictable...the man is an expert in his field.

    Have you even watched the video? It is completely unverified that it is even him speaking, he is not present in the video
    The fact it's only posted on lovely websites such as the one above is just the cherry on the incredible cake

    Who has ever claimed this doctor is a right wing or conspiracy theorists? There is no evidence he is anything like that. His claims are not unbelievable because the doctor might be right wing himself , but because the alleged information is only hosted and available on a selection of websites that promote those views.
    There is NOT ONE even slightly reputable platforms claiming this video is legitimate


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Lol Wakka invaded the thread.

    Aggressive.


    If only Wakka questioned CMO at 6 o'clock. :cool:

    Anyways I predict less than 350 cases today. Hopefully with 1 week to go they ll allow non essential retail to re open with these silly small minuscule figures.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭walus


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Have you even watched the video? It is completely unverified that it is even him speaking, he is not present in the video
    The fact it's only posted on lovely websites such as the one above is just the cherry on the incredible cake

    Who has ever claimed this doctor is a right wing or conspiracy theorists? There is no evidence he is anything like that. His claims are not unbelievable because the doctor might be right wing himself , but because the alleged information is only hosted and available on a selection of websites that promote those views.
    There is NOT ONE even slightly reputable platforms claiming this video is legitimate

    The views and opinions of the person quoted to be Hodkinson are by no means unjustified. Michael Levitt has been saying very much the same things since it all started. He has solid credentials and presents logic that I find very difficult to disagree with. There are many other people of science of similar opinion with regard to this ‘pandemic’ problem.

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    walus wrote: »
    The views and opinions of the person quoted to be Hodkinson are by no means unjustified. Michael Levitt has been saying very much the same things since it all started. He has solid credentials and presents logic that I find very difficult to disagree with. There are many other people of science of similar opinion with regard to this ‘pandemic’ problem.

    Sure , at least there's evidence levitt's views are actually said by him and not falsified by a robot dubbing him on a screenshot of a fake Skype call on a right wing conspiracy website.
    Would be a good start for some posters to start listening to people who exist , though I know how hard it is to find ppl who agree with them that they need to invent educated doctors for support

    Poor hodkinson. Reputation being dragged through the mud by some nutjob online


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭brisan


    Lol Wakka invaded the thread.

    Aggressive.


    If only Wakka questioned CMO at 6 o'clock. :cool:

    Anyways I predict less than 350 cases today. Hopefully with 1 week to go they ll allow non essential retail to re open with these silly small minuscule figures.

    429 cases and 4 deaths
    Tony not happy
    He wants to Cancel Christmas and put santa on PUP


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 547 ✭✭✭BeefeaterHat


    brisan wrote: »
    429 cases and 4 deaths
    Tony not happy
    He wants to Cancel Christmas and put santa on PUP

    Is he deeply concerned or very concerned? Which is it ? How crucial are the next 2 weeks?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,305 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Is he deeply concerned or very concerned? Which is it ? How crucial are the next 2 weeks?

    Both

    This time 2 weeks we should be out of lockdown


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭bush


    We need to galvanise our efforts


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    wakka12 wrote: »
    Have you even watched the video? It is completely unverified that it is even him speaking, he is not present in the video
    The fact it's only posted on lovely websites such as the one above is just the cherry on the incredible cake

    Who has ever claimed this doctor is a right wing or conspiracy theorists? There is no evidence he is anything like that. His claims are not unbelievable because the doctor might be right wing himself , but because the alleged information is only hosted and available on a selection of websites that promote those views.
    There is NOT ONE even slightly reputable platforms claiming this video is legitimate

    You totally missed the point..i dont have to watch any video to understand what im saying. Its dismissive to say anyones testimony is without merit because they are right leaning, left leaning, racist, xenephobic etc when they are talking science and only science. Its not a lifestyle or ideal or philosophy hes selling, its his science.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,589 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    walus wrote: »
    The views and opinions of the person quoted to be Hodkinson are by no means unjustified. Michael Levitt has been saying very much the same things since it all started. He has solid credentials and presents logic that I find very difficult to disagree with. There are many other people of science of similar opinion with regard to this ‘pandemic’ problem.


    There were people of science (who along with quite a few comedians and oddballs) signed their names to the so call Great Barrington Declaration. A load of complete nonsense by the same right wing factions.
    We recently had a video posted on here from supposedly someone who was an expert on vaccines rubbishing the recent results.
    His qualifications on vaccines. A film producer/right wing nut job


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    patnor1011 wrote: »
    I posted this on mask thread but I stick it out here too. Post made in comment section on website by anonymous chemist:

    I was trained as a chemist. A large part of my professional career was working in various parts of the filtration industry. I developed a line of mixed esters of cellulose membrane filters. Millipore type filters, that were used to sterilize flu vaccines for Merck Sharp and Dohme as well as other medical products companies. I developed respiratory protection products for Wilson Safety Products used in the mining industry. I worked for Baxter developing medical / IV filters. I have patents on three IV filters I invented. Baxter sold more than 5 million of one of those every year for most of a decade. I know a little bit about filters.

    Surgical masks were not designed as filters and were not intended to be used as filters. Surgical masks were designed to be used by surgeons standing face down over an operating table holding a patient with an open wound. The surgeon wearing the mask would be able to talk to others in the room without discharging spittle droplets into the patient's wound. Spittle droplets are large and can cause infection.

    I witnessed a test of surgical masks. Small plaster particles were generated in a room. They were visible as a white dust in the air. A man was properly fitted with a surgical mask and spent a short time in the room. When he came out the mask was removed. A camera was focused on the man’s face. The entire area that had been covered by the mask was coated by the white dust. The camera showed that his nostrils and his mouth had been penetrated by the white dust. The dust particles were measured and found to be around 40 micrometers in diameter. The particles that penetrated the mask were the same diameter.

    Covid-19 virus molecules are about 0.1 micrometers in diameter. That is 400 times smaller than the plaster particles that penetrated the mask.

    Surgical masks will not prevent the wearer from inhaling or exhaling viruses or bacteria. They provide absolutely no protection for either the wearer or anyone nearby. They create a very dangerous false sense of security for everyone. They also force the wearer to rebreath carbon dioxide. Which will over time reduce the wearers blood oxygen level. That can become very dangerous especially for older people.

    This farce is being promoted by sleazy politicians who believe that if they can convince people that they are protecting them or creating a safe environment for them by pushing this mask farce those people will re-elect them.

    All politicians pushing this dangerous mask farce should be voted out of office as soon as possible.

    absolute nonsense. he gets the first bit right, the surgical mask is designed to stop some of the wearer's droplets from getting away. and that's why they are useful as a pandemic control measure for a virus that spreads by droplets. then criticizes masks for something they are not designed for - protecting the wearer from dust particles.

    he like many others, is mixing up respirators with surgical masks. completely different PPE, with completely different purposes.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 547 ✭✭✭BeefeaterHat


    charlie14 wrote: »
    There were people of science (who along with quite a few comedians and oddballs) signed their names to the so call Great Barrington Declaration. A load of complete nonsense by the same right wing factions.
    We recently had a video posted on here from supposedly someone who was an expert on vaccines rubbishing the recent results.
    His qualifications on vaccines. A film producer/right wing nut job

    A bit like the letter from June calling to crush the curve signed by 1000 experts such as 'a wise old woman'


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,084 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Are these also 'nut job' right wing sites?
    I have no idea ....

    https://electroverse.net/dr-roger-hodkinson-on-covid-hoax/

    https://worlddoctorsalliance.com/blog/drroger-hodkinson-chairman/

    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/health-expert-outraged-government-response-covid/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=7567c856-e5e4-4025-b60c-c8c7485fa5d7

    I would expect that the good DR. ROGER HODKINSON could have those taken down if they are not truthful in associating him with the views expressed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Are these also 'nut job' right wing sites?
    I have no idea ....

    https://electroverse.net/dr-roger-hodkinson-on-covid-hoax/

    https://worlddoctorsalliance.com/blog/drroger-hodkinson-chairman/

    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/health-expert-outraged-government-response-covid/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=7567c856-e5e4-4025-b60c-c8c7485fa5d7

    I would expect that the good DR. ROGER HODKINSON could have those taken down if they are not truthful in associating him with the views expressed.

    Leading Canadian Health Expert Outraged at Government Response to COVID
    “I would remind you all that using the province's own statistics, the risk of death under 65 in this province is one in 300,000. One in 300,000. You’ve got to get a grip on this.”

    Luls.

    Get a grip Wakka man.

    Wakka Wakka eh eh

    This time for Africa :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,857 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    Is he deeply concerned or very concerned? Which is it ? How crucial are the next 2 weeks?

    The answer for any medical condition be it mental or physical by the HSE and NPHET and Tony is - Lockdown -

    Lockdown will solve everything, and the sad thing is the public through the media are lapping it up , until the free money runs out.

    Still no one questing why we have the longest lockdown in Europe , and Why was the ICU capacity not increased over the summer, with the seamingly endless supply of money - somehow I think the 2 are connected.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭walus


    charlie14 wrote: »
    There were people of science (who along with quite a few comedians and oddballs) signed their names to the so call Great Barrington Declaration. A load of complete nonsense by the same right wing factions.
    We recently had a video posted on here from supposedly someone who was an expert on vaccines rubbishing the recent results.
    His qualifications on vaccines. A film producer/right wing nut job

    At the same time there are people who no longer have any scientific functions and a track record in relevant fields, who got themselves on nphet and keep on experimenting with our lives.

    This last experiment came at the cost of 1.5bn and was meant to flatten the curve yet again. I don’t think that anyone could claim this to be a success even in the slightest way. They are making these expensive experiments that wreck lives and livelihoods of millions of people without adequate qualifications and skills. They point fingers at others as they look for reasons to justify why the results of a lockdown are not as expected. Horrendous, that’s what this is. A blind man in the fog stuff. It is time the government pointed fingers at nphet. They don’t know what they are doing.

    If that is not nuts, I don’t know what is.

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,589 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    A bit like the letter from June calling to crush the curve signed by 1000 experts such as 'a wise old woman'


    At least crushing the curve had some data to back it up as to what it could achieve.
    The Barrington thing, while big on what they felt should be done, had nothing on how it could be.
    That for me would leave everyone who signed it "a wise old woman"


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,301 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    wakka12 wrote: »
    I have pointed out inconsistencies in his argument that the dog on the street can see do not line up with reality. He said 'nothing could be done to stop the spread of the virus' .
    HE. IS. LITERALLY. INCORRECT. Taiwan has not reported a local infection in over 200 days.They stopped it .Man some level of delusion one must need to experience to get behind that argument just because of his credentials. Do you think a smart person can say nothing wrong? Nothing in their entire life, no?
    The fact he is smarter and more educated than me, does not matter when he is saying those things that can be easily pointed out as incorrect.
    But by all means keep banging on about his education history, it truly is impressive but does not change the fact several of his claims are demonstrable false.

    Anyway, very convenient that this is a 'secret recording' ie. no proof of identity. No visual to prove it is him, or his voice. Not posted on any reputable platform. Just some cospiracy sites. There is absolutely no way of verifying this as anything more than a dubbing. Who tf are the people on the skype call?Can any of them even be verified as members of this so called committee?
    And tell me, if he was invited to speak to this small committe presumably because they are aware of his credentials and as such were interested to hear his valuable opinion, and yet he begins with his life story, just to make it crystal clear to us how totally educated he is. Gas, all of it

    Gas is if you really think there is no infection in Taiwan. A country ruled by military dictatorship would not be very credible. They are at most as credible as Chinese so as far as we are led to believe there is no virus in China too. Lol everyone seen wuhan parties... There, enjoy your example of perfection in dealing with virus. We can get to 0 covid quite easily. We just need to follow Taiwan example and stop reporting it.


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