Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

astrofool wrote: »

You said Pfizer got money for the development of the vaccine, that was a lie, they got paid for the completed vaccine, Pfizer funded creation of the vaccine all by themselves, you lied.

Clinton didn't start Russian rumours, Russian links to trump's administration was proven and multiple people working for trump have been indicted or jailed due to these links, fact. They were not rumours, and not started by Clinton. That is 2 more times you have lied.

You are a liar.

Every thing I said on the Clintons is in many publications online. It is not just made up by me and is well know information.

The muller report found no proof of Trump collusion with Russia. Fact.

As far as what company was received money I just a mistake as my information was that money from the US government was used to develop a vaccine, At the time of my first post on the subject I was only aware that Pfizer had a vaccine so I assumed it was them that got the money not aware there were multiple vaccines that had been created.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1329408856733184008

Giuliani up soon for anyone looking for some comic relief

eagle eye wrote: »

Pardon my ignorance but are the Israeli government considered far right?

You or Eric didn't read the article did you?

eagle eye wrote: »

I predicted long ago that Trump would firm a new party after one term as POTUS.
If that happens and thus new party gets any standing then you'll see the Democrats split.
If there is no new party formed then the Democrats won't split.

Trump is a 74 year old who is in debt to the tune of at least 400M, has countless ongoing investigations in to his practices and has just lost the election.

On Saturday, he didn't even get out of his car to greet his supporters at a MAGA fantasy parade which he drove through on his way to play golf.

His administration was noteworthy for the amount of people who came and left during it with many of them having few positive words to say about him as they walked out. He endorsed several candidates in elections over the 4 years who lost in their races.

He has zero capacity in putting in the ground work to get sufficient numbers of people to buy in to his message in a grass root level and to build a cohesive message or strong team to spread out.

Remember when all his supporters came out to deny that he had said anything about disienfectant being used to combat covid and literally as they were doing that, he pulled the rug from under them by admitting he had said it but he was being sarcastic. A new party with Trump at the helm would never be able to get a cohesive story without the weight of blind allegiance to the Republican party to help him.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

the far right are notoriously fans of Israel...

at this point I think the definition of far right has just grown to 'everyone a European left/ centre left person doesn't like'

Israel have been getting very cosy with the far right in recent times actually. https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/israel-s-dance-with-far-right-movements-across-the-world-24677/amp

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm growing tired of this stupid stuff.

Trump is a horrible human being and responsible for an awful lot of bad things that have happened and he certainly bears a partial responsibility for organising the rallies.
The lot of you though just want to put full responsibility for everything on him. It's an unnatural hate you have. I despise the man but I can step back and take a breath and see the wood from the trees.

If you cannot assign blame to people for risking their and others lives by attending an event with no masks or social distancing then I give up on you.

Itd be easier to get on board with that if he wasnt undermining his own medical experts advice and trying to get rid of the likes of Fauci because he didnt like what he had to say.
Trump should have been telling his supporters to wear masks as soon as the advice was to wear masks, not mocking people for wearing them, refusing to wear one himself and refusing to tell the country to wear them . He bears huge responsibility for spreading anti mask ****. Telling his supporters the media are liars and trying to tear down the country undermines so much of the efforts being made too.

Yeah, bang on about personal responsibility but there are a huge number of people that are idiots and go along with the **** people like him say. Look at all the religious nuts alone that proclaim him some sort of messiah. These people need protecting from themselves and someone with such sway shouldn't be peddling anti science nonsense. What about the people that do act responsibly but have to spend time near an idiot that doesnt?

Anyone thats worked retail will attest to the sheer amount of morons and arseholes among the general public.

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Agreed - But it would be enough to cripple the GOP.

If Trump was actually capable of running in 2024 and didn't get the GOP nomination , him running independently or worse still under a new party banner running House/Senate candidates would chop off at least 15-20 points of the GOP vote.

That would lose them any chance at the WH and possibly cost them House & Senate seats.

The challenge for the GOP is working out how to handle Trump over the next 4 years.

If he remains viable - Which is far from assured - Given the court cases ahead of him he could be Bankrupt , In Jail or Confirmed as a rapist in court (the E Jean Carroll case) or a combination of all 3 , what do they do?

He could probably ride out Bankruptcy , but either of the other two *should* wipe him out.

So , in a scenario where he is a viable candidate , the GOP probably need to row in behind him as having him on the outside as a 3rd candidate would be absolute poison for them.

Now we just need sanders to do the same to the democrats and the Americans might be on their way to having an actual democracy.

duploelabs wrote:

You or Eric didn't read the article did you?

I did and it appears they are supported by the Israeli government and he went there with their blessing. It seems to me that part of this visit is to enhance relations with Israel which in turn helps them with the US media.

jaykay74 wrote: »

Jesus, could they not afford a bigger room!

Beats a parking lot outside a dildo shop.

eagle eye wrote: »

I predicted long ago that Trump would firm a new party after one term as POTUS.
If that happens and thus new party gets any standing then you'll see the Democrats split.
If there is no new party formed then the Democrats won't split.

If Trump forms a new party then the republican base is split and the democrats sail home in any 3 way battle. He won't take any blue voters and the 2 red parties will split the red votes. Why would there be a democrat split based on the Republicans splitting ? What would trigger the split in that case? I think democracy is better served by multiple parties offering a range of views for voters but don't think the US system encourages that approach to politics.

jaykay74 wrote: »

It says a lot that the evidence is being presented in a press conference rather than a court of law if they were trying to get anything overturned.

Its equal parts pathetic and hilarious to watch.

This is the Trump campaign line "We're convinced large-scale fraud happened, despite having no evidence."

You might as well have Giuliani up there making the case that Santa is real. There's no actual difference. No direct evidence. Maybe a VHS cassette from 1996 local news report of Santa setting off from the North Pole on Christmas Eve. There you go, Santa's real.

I see Rudy is leaking on camera.

Whoever this woman is, she is a nervous wreck