Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

normakelle · 19-11-2020 01:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

So, you lied then?

No I did not lie. If the governor of your state has a mask mandate then you have to wear one. Each governor dictates this as well you know. Each state is like a country in europe with its governor making decisions

19-11-2020 01:06PM

normakelle wrote: »

No I did not lie. If the governor of your state has a mask mandate then you have to wear one.

And as my link showed, each state does not have a mask mandate. So you lied.

eagle eye · 19-11-2020 01:15PM

Padre_Pio wrote:

When you look at the layout of the venue, is it set up for social distancing? Carson City in September BTW

As I said, personal responsibility.

eagle eye · 19-11-2020 01:16PM

Deleted User wrote:

But in my example, everyone is also aware of the dangerous of overcrowding, and we even have examples of what can go wrong, e.g. Hillsborough. So what's the difference?

We are talk ng about covid-19 here.

19-11-2020 01:17PM

eagle eye wrote: »

We are talk ng about covid-19 here.

You know that I'm aware of it. I'm demonstrating that you logic doesn't make sense with an example.

Timberrrrrrrr · 19-11-2020 01:22PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

no, you can blame him for that. he held the rallies. he didnt insist that people wore masks and socially distance while at the rallies. his rallies were directly responsible for 700 deaths.

Trumps staff removed stickers from chairs that encouraged social distancing

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/campaign/504884-video-shows-workers-removed-thousands-of-social-distancing-signs-before%3famp

Carfacemandog · 19-11-2020 01:36PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

ronald reagan would have not have sat with his thumb up his ass while 1700 people die every day.

Are you familiar with the aids crisis under Reagan and his role in it?

This isn't any kind of defense of Trump by the way. People often forget or didn't notice, but Reagan (in hindsight at least) was fecking awful and a lot of the problems with American politics/culture can be traced right back to him.

Never mind, Jill valentine beat me to it.

normakelle · 19-11-2020 01:53PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And as my link showed, each state does not have a mask mandate. So you lied.

Why are you calling me a liar. I have stated if the governor of your state has a mask mandate you have to wear a mask. You really are a nit picker. I would imagine everything in your life is black and white no grey areas. You are probably the word police pulling up people that are not PC correct. You are a child with I reported you as if I care. I don't live my life on here like you lol

robinph · 19-11-2020 01:56PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I'd be blaming the idiots that attended first and foremost then the organiser.

So the idiots that attended have been told by the organiser for the last 4 years not to believe anything that the media tells them, only to believe the word of the organiser.
Everyone but the organiser is lying to you.
Everyone but the organiser is cheating the system.
For the last 8 months the organiser has been telling you that there is no virus.
For the last 8 months the organiser has been telling you that masks are not important.
For the last 8 months the organiser has been firing (or insulting on social media) people in the departments tasked with ensuring the health of the nation who disagree with the organiser.

Then the organiser holds a party and invites you along, and they tell you that social distancing isn't needed and there is no need to wear masks.

Who is responsible for the lack of social distancing and mask wearing again? The organiser, or the people who were listening to what the organiser has been saying for the last 4 years/ 8 months.

Incase you weren't sure, Trump is "the organiser".

hirondelle · 19-11-2020 02:01PM

normakelle wrote: »

Hyperbole much?

Drunkmonkey claimed Biden was acting like a dictator (when he meant to say that Biden was asking people to wear masks etc.). I was asking Drunk Monkey to define this dictatorship in terms of what force Biden the Dictator has.

It is very important not to cast the word "dictator" around lightly, don't you think?

Timberrrrrrrr · 19-11-2020 02:08PM

normakelle wrote: »

No I did not lie. If the governor of your state has a mask mandate then you have to wear one. Each governor dictates this as well you know. Each state is like a country in europe with its governor making decisions

And then when they do say wesr a mask and announce a lockdown the idiot in chief tweets LIBERATE (insert syate)

hotmail.com · 19-11-2020 02:13PM

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Are you familiar with the aids crisis under Reagan and his role in it?

This isn't any kind of defense of Trump by the way. People often forget or didn't notice, but Reagan (in hindsight at least) was fecking awful and a lot of the problems with American politics/culture can be traced right back to him.

Never mind, Jill valentine beat me to it.

A lot of people only took an interest in US politics in 2016 and think America was grand up til then.

eagle eye · 19-11-2020 02:21PM

Deleted User wrote:

You know that I'm aware of it. I'm demonstrating that you logic doesn't make sense with an example.

You are talking about other factors not part of covid-19. That doesn't make any sense.
Next thing you'll be blaming the guy organising an event for somebody dying in a car crash on their way to the event who didn't wear their seat belt.
And if you aren't blamin the organiser for that then you shouldn't be blaming him for people not doing the smart thing and staying away.
You know like in both instances personal responsibility is the reason they ended up where they did.

ohnonotgmail · 19-11-2020 02:21PM

eagle eye wrote: »

You are talking about other factors not part of covid-19. That doesn't make any sense.
Next thing you'll be blaming the guy organising an event for somebody dying in a car crash on their way to the event who didn't wear their seat belt.
And if you aren't blaming ng the organiser for that then you should be blaming him for people not doing the smart thing and staying away.

somebody dying in a car crash on the way to an event is not something the organiser can control. not mandating masks and removing social distancing measures is something they can control and something they are responsible for.

walshb · 19-11-2020 02:21PM

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Are you familiar with the aids crisis under Reagan and his role in it?

This isn't any kind of defense of Trump by the way. People often forget or didn't notice, but Reagan (in hindsight at least) was fecking awful and a lot of the problems with American politics/culture can be traced right back to him.

Never mind, Jill valentine beat me to it.

We can pick apart any U.S. President and claim that they did this, that or the other wrong....

None are remotely comparable to the horror of a man that Trump is

People need to strip this back to the human level here...

Trump is a horrible person. He behaves like such. A truly vindictive and spiteful and nasty type man; at least this is the way he has conducted his presidency.

Unrivaled here. Unmatched here. Unparalleled here. Out on his own.

eagle eye · 19-11-2020 02:24PM

ohnonotgmail wrote:

somebody dying in a car crash on the way to an event is not something the organiser can control. not mandating masks and removing social distancing measures is something they can control and something they are responsible for.

The core issue is they died because they didn't wear their seat belt.
If you go somewhere and don't do the thing that keeps you safe then you are responsible for your actions.
Partial responsibility for organising the event but not responsible for the stupidity of the people who decided to attend.

robinph · 19-11-2020 02:39PM

eagle eye wrote: »

The core issue is they died because they didn't wear their seat belt.
If you go somewhere and don't do the thing that keeps you safe then you are responsible for your actions.
Partial responsibility for organising the event but not responsible for the stupidity of the people who decided to attend.

But the people were going to an anti seat belt rally being held by the leader of their country who has been telling them for months that car crashes don't happen and it's all a conspiracy by the Chinese and people who wear seat belts are weak and anti American.

Professor Moriarty · 19-11-2020 02:42PM

robinph wrote: »

But the people were going to an anti seat belt rally being held by the leader of their country who has been telling them for months that car crashes don't happen and it's all a conspiracy by the Chinese and people who wear seat belts are weak and anti American.

And that leader didn't wear his seat belt and he had a car crash.

astrofool · 19-11-2020 02:43PM

eagle eye wrote: »

You are talking about other factors not part of covid-19. That doesn't make any sense.
Next thing you'll be blaming the guy organising an event for somebody dying in a car crash on their way to the event who didn't wear their seat belt.
And if you aren't blamin the organiser for that then you shouldn't be blaming him for people not doing the smart thing and staying away.
You know like in both instances personal responsibility is the reason they ended up where they did.

If there was a snowstorm or hurricane occurring and the event encouraged people to drive through the snow/hurricane to get there, then the event organisers would incur blame for any accidents that happened, and would probably be sued to that effect.

Padre_Pio · 19-11-2020 02:44PM

eagle eye wrote: »

The core issue is they died because they didn't wear their seat belt.
If you go somewhere and don't do the thing that keeps you safe then you are responsible for your actions.
Partial responsibility for organising the event but not responsible for the stupidity of the people who decided to attend.

That's not the way the world works I'm afraid. There is always a duty of care.

If people thought the way you did, then lockdowns would not exist. The government would just publish lockdown guidelines and hope that all the people take a personal responsibility and adhere to them.
As we all well know, that's not the case, hence, we have enforced lockdowns.

People by and large, act in their own self interest and have no concept or care for the situations of others. Tragedy of the Commons etc.

eagle eye · 19-11-2020 02:45PM

astrofool wrote:

If there was a snowstorm or hurricane occurring and the event encouraged people to drive through the snow/hurricane to get there, then the event organisers would incur blame for any accidents that happened, and would probably be sued to that effect.

Lol.

everlast75 · 19-11-2020 02:45PM

eagle eye wrote: »

As I said, personal responsibility.

eagle eye wrote: »

The core issue is they died because they didn't wear their seat belt.
If you go somewhere and don't do the thing that keeps you safe then you are responsible for your actions.
Partial responsibility for organising the event but not responsible for the stupidity of the people who decided to attend.

You need to understand the amount of people that get their "news" from Fox, Facebook and Twitter. They exist in a bubble, an echo chamber and don't see what the rest of us do.

The Sinclair Broadcasting Company is everywhere. Watch this and then tell me that it is purely the fault of those that don't know better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvtNyOzGogc&t=0s&index=19&list=PLjdfbL5LrCRh-bO-kG92f6L02mgJ3wuzS

eagle eye · 19-11-2020 02:46PM

Padre_Pio wrote:

That's not the way the world works I'm afraid. There is always a duty of care.
If people thought the way you did, then lockdowns would not exist.

We have lockdowns because we have so many idiots that they'd overrun the health system.

Padre_Pio · 19-11-2020 02:49PM

eagle eye wrote: »

We have lockdowns because we have so many idiots that they'd overrun the health system.

Hence why we have enforced lockdown. If we didn't and the health system was overwhelmed, who would you blame? the people or the government?

Kermit.de.frog · 19-11-2020 02:49PM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1329408856733184008

Meanwhile...

https://twitter.com/GeraldKutney/status/1329251179512160257

eagle eye · 19-11-2020 02:50PM

everlast75 wrote:

You need to understand the amount of people that get their "news" from Fox, Facebook and Twitter. They exist in a bubble, an echo chamber and don't see what the rest of us do.

I'm not going to click on that link.
It's all over facebook and twitter about how to stay safe, you can't avoid it.

As for Fox, only time I watch it is for college football.

duploelabs · 19-11-2020 02:52PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm not going to click on that link.
It's all over facebook and twitter about how to stay safe, you can't avoid it.

As for Fox, only time I watch it is for college football.

It's all over _your_ Facebook and twitter, that feed is unique to you because of your choices and cookies. Doesn't apply to everyone's feed

eagle eye · 19-11-2020 02:53PM

Padre_Pio wrote:

So where's this personal responsibility you think all people should have?

Just because they are idiots doesn't mean they are not personally responsible for themselves.
If they are too stupid to abide by good practice then they deserve everything they get.

robinph · 19-11-2020 02:57PM

eagle eye wrote: »

We have lockdowns because we have so many idiots that they'd overrun the health system.

But surely if everyone just socially distanced and wore masks and washed their hands and didn't visit family there wouldn't be any problem. I mean all the information is out there, why won't the population take notice?

Or does the government have a responsibility to take actions that protect the population? Can they not just tell us all to try our best not to pass on the virus and hope for the best?

19-11-2020 02:59PM

normakelle wrote: »

Why are you calling me a liar. I have stated if the governor of your state has a mask mandate you have to wear a mask. You really are a nit picker. I would imagine everything in your life is black and white no grey areas. You are probably the word police pulling up people that are not PC correct. You are a child with I reported you as if I care. I don't live my life on here like you lol

You have stated this

normakelle wrote: »

They have to wear masks in schools, supermarkets, gyms etc the same as here

which, according to this, is a lie. Nothing nitpicky about it.

Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

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