Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

eigrod · 19-11-2020 11:37AM

Quite a jump in hospital numbers this morning- 290. Letterkenny & UHL with 38 & 36 respectively.

33 in ICU.

ACitizenErased · 19-11-2020 11:39AM

eigrod wrote: »

Quite a jump in hospital numbers this morning- 290. Letterkenny & UHL with 38 & 36 respectively.

33 in ICU.

290 with net -3 admissions.....

lemonTrees · 19-11-2020 11:40AM

Cork2021 wrote: »

Christ!!! 1200 kids were hospitalised by the flu last year!! How many from Covid?
Where are you getting the 1/6???
How many of the 2006 that have died in ireland are with or from Covid?
This bull**** if you get knocked down by a bus and killed but we’re asymptomatic you were counted as dying with covid and added to deaths counted. It’s bull and you know that!

Are all Cork people as angry as you? Every second post f this, B that. Chill out pal.

stephenjmcd · 19-11-2020 11:40AM

eigrod wrote: »

Quite a jump in hospital numbers this morning- 290. Letterkenny & UHL with 38 & 36 respectively.

33 in ICU.

Up 5 on 8pm last night so not an awful jump overnight

Up 16 on yesterday morning, the 2 hospitals you mentioned have been stubbornly high over a week now.

Yet on admissions and discharges the numbers should be down 3.

KrustyUCC · 19-11-2020 11:42AM

Hospital based infections so?

Thierry12 · 19-11-2020 11:43AM

eigrod wrote: »

Quite a jump in hospital numbers this morning- 290. Letterkenny & UHL with 38 & 36 respectively.

33 in ICU.

UHL is like Wuhan right now because of silly staff infecting each other

An airborne virus around and they eating in canteens

Masks should never come off on site, ever.

CalamariFritti · 19-11-2020 11:45AM

lemonTrees wrote: »

I suppose it's a sign of the times but i do find it rather sad the amount of tin foil hatery that i read on this thread. "It's all NPHET's fault", "RTE are out to scare us" etc...

Nobody is out to get you lads.

I would agree with that sentiment. I know people who see devious intent behind everything and lost themselves on the way. People I would consider smart and otherwise clued in. Its mad really and there is little talking to them. Thankfully I just know 2.

I do however think that we are being fed a fair amount of bull because covid has become a political plaything and because of information silos and arse covering and all the rest of it.

Just because they're not out to get us doesnt mean all is fantastic.

Away With The Fairies · 19-11-2020 11:52AM

There's talk of banning drinking at home. I'm scratching my head at this one. Is there any talk to close off licences instead?

Stheno · 19-11-2020 11:53AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

There's talk of banning drinking at home. I'm scratching my head at this one. Is there any talk to close off licences instead?

Wheres this now? Facebook? WhatsApp?

mikekerry · 19-11-2020 11:53AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

There's talk of banning drinking at home. I'm scratching my head at this one. Is there any talk to close off licences instead?

What!
where do you see that.
that's just crazy talk

Richard Hillman · 19-11-2020 11:54AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

There's talk of banning drinking at home. I'm scratching my head at this one. Is there any talk to close off licences instead?

No because there will be insurexion if they take alcohol away from us. I would be willing to bear Arms and kill if they took it away from me.

And I'm off the booze for the month anyway

daydorunrun · 19-11-2020 11:57AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Has anyone else received the booklet 'keeping well this winter' from the HSE in the post?

Keeping well this winter

Not one mention of opening windows.

No mention of taking vitamin D. I thought this year, they might have more of a push to take vitamin D but nope. But silly of me to think that, those measures might actually help.

Had the very same thought reading through it.

I was in a physiotherapist clinic yesterday for some treatment. Windows all closed and an electric fan heater on drying and circulating the air. The place was thronged too. Physio telling me he's never been so busy, people presenting with new back issues from working from home. He was blaming inappropriate chairs and desks as well as people taking up running and developing lower leg and knee issues.

The message of the importance of ventilation is not being broadcast or received near enough.

Away With The Fairies · 19-11-2020 11:59AM

Stheno wrote: »

Wheres this now? Facebook? WhatsApp?

Actually went to check for a link. Turns out it was a satire website.

Oops

Stheno · 19-11-2020 12:01PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Actually went to check for a link. Turns out it was a satire website.

Oops

Who would have thought that :rolleyes:

Away With The Fairies · 19-11-2020 12:06PM

daydorunrun wrote: »

Had the very same thought reading through it.

I was in a physiotherapist clinic yesterday for some treatment. Windows all closed and an electric fan heater on drying and circulating the air. The place was thronged too. Physio telling me he's never been so busy, people presenting with new back issues from working from home. He was blaming inappropriate chairs and desks as well as people taking up running and developing lower leg and knee issues.

The message of the importance of ventilation is not being broadcast or received near enough.

If it helps opening windows, I'd rather rather be cold.

seamus · 19-11-2020 12:12PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Sure, well "bleak" is an adjective used in a variable way depending on the subject matter.

By your own definition, things are far from "bleak" in Europe, where the peak of this wave passed about two weeks ago looking at the data from the ECDC.

There will be a considerable offset in deaths, so we can expect them to peak in next 1-3 weeks, but "bleak" isn't the word I'd use.

If we can plan properly to suppress the next wave before it has the same impact, then the next stop after that is widespread vaccinations, and then we're home free.

Hubris was the mistake in this wave. We thought that we could reopen econonies, keep an eye on infections and just tweak around the edges of restrictions to keep a lid on it. As a result, we waited too long to take real action. You need to put in place proper restrictions, and you need to put them in place before you need them.
Heopfully Europe won't make that same mistake again.

mandrake04 · 19-11-2020 12:13PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It is not holding back antigen testing. Antigen Testing is being used as intended for mass testing at airports in France, Germany and Italy.

In other environments they are being used where appropriate such as for example being used for risk groups like staff in retirement homes on a daily basis.

They're an excellent test when used as intended but are being undermined in Ireland by those who continue to complain that they don't work for scenarios for which they are not appropriate.

really as a former employee of two companies who actually make antigen tests (and I still own shares in one of them) I would say yeah sure lets get them out there, but really the reality is they are still like the PCR tests and have their own limitations and although they work some of the time they are not the silver bullet everyone thinks they are ...that's my point.. they are not the savior of mankind lol.

Look at daily cases in Germany, Italy and France a shining success in beating covid... lol.

Like I said I once they are approved it wont be long for people to start blaming them.

eagle eye · 19-11-2020 12:16PM

seamus wrote:

There will be a considerable offset in deaths, so we can expect them to peak in next 1-3 weeks, but "bleak" isn't the word I'd use.

And what word would you use for this?

seamus · 19-11-2020 12:18PM

"Inevitable".

Bleak implies neverending, or continuously hopeless.

There is a wave of deaths coming for Europe, but we know it will end.

That's not bleak.

rob316 · 19-11-2020 12:23PM

It's good to see our government finding their balls and finally putting NPHET in their place albeit too late. They made a disastrous decision pushing level 5 without giving level 3 any chance.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-as-holohan-urges-people-to-work-together-senior-officials-clash-with-nphet-1.4413035

But there was further evidence of division between Government and its public health advisers. Senior officials are said to have clashed with Dr Holohan during a meeting yesterday as efforts to draw up a plan to exit the lockdown and manage the pandemic over the Christmas period continue in Government.

According to three sources with knowledge of the meeting, senior officials emphasised to Dr Holohan that the Government – not the National Public Health Emergency Team (Nphet) – would make decisions about easing the lockdown and what restrictions would be in place over Christmas.

Officials, which included the secretary general of the Department of the Taoiseach Martin Fraser, the State’s most senior civil servant, also complained to Dr Holohan that Nphet members were seeking to pressure the Government with a series of media appearances.

One source said it was “made clear” to Nphet “that the Government will make the decision” on reopening, scheduled for December 1st. Another source confirmed that the Nphet “media strategy” was strongly criticised as some senior officials believed that its members are seeking to influence Government decisions through the media.

KrustyUCC · 19-11-2020 12:29PM

Nice talk from the government but Tony and NPHET know all they need to do is recommend extending level 5

If the government don't take their 'advice' then the government is going to get hounded by the media

19-11-2020 12:31PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Actually went to check for a link. Turns out it was a satire website.

Oops

It would be a bad time for our hospitals to start filling up with alcoholics suffering from withdrawal!

19-11-2020 12:34PM

Thierry12 wrote: »

UHL is like Wuhan right now because of silly staff infecting each other

An airborne virus around and they eating in canteens

Masks should never come off on site, ever.

Appartently there are 49 staff who have tested positive in Letterkenny hospital. There are 133 staff members who are off work at the minute because of infection or close contact.

Some of the agency nurses that work in Letterkenny hospital, also work in Altnagelvin hospital in Derry.

Eod100 · 19-11-2020 12:35PM

rob316 wrote: »

It's good to see our government finding their balls and finally putting NPHET in their place albeit too late. They made a disastrous decision pushing level 5 without giving level 3 any chance.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-as-holohan-urges-people-to-work-together-senior-officials-clash-with-nphet-1.4413035

Have to laugh at the leakiest government in years, well able to use media as they wish complaining that NPHET are using media to brief public. Was good enough for Varadkar when he tried to throw them under the bus but NPEHT aren't allowed go public?

Eod100 · 19-11-2020 12:36PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Appartently there are 49 staff who have tested positive in Letterkenny hospital. There are 133 staff members who are off work at the minute because of infection or close contact.

Some of the agency nurses that work in Letterkenny hospital, also work in Altnagelvin hospital in Derry.

Ah ffs. All because HSE happier to pay more expensive agency rates than hiring permanent staff and leads to issues like this.

Royale with Cheese · 19-11-2020 12:38PM

NPHET aren't supposed to be the ones briefing the public, that's their point. That's the government's own fault though, they were only too happy to put NPHET front and centre last March.

rob316 · 19-11-2020 12:45PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Have to laugh at the leakiest government in years, well able to use media as they wish complaining that NPHET are using media to brief public. Was good enough for Varadkar when he tried to throw them under the bus but NPEHT aren't allowed go public?

NPHET are an advisory group. Why are they going to the media? Politicians playing it out in the media is nothing new.
They shouldn't be giving any opinion on measures before they are discussed at cabinet. Do you not realize the damage they are doing to the public confidence especially businesses currently closed who are getting messages of hope from government and then you have a member of NPHET on newstalk saying they wont be recommending this or that?

Its an exceptionally weak government but they must be shown to be in charge not NPHET.

Eod100 · 19-11-2020 12:52PM

rob316 wrote: »

NPHET are an advisory group. Why are they going to the media? Politicians playing it out in the media is nothing new.
They shouldn't be giving any opinion on measures before they are discussed at cabinet. Do you not realize the damage they are doing to the public confidence especially businesses currently closed who are getting messages of hope from government and then you have a member of NPHET on newstalk saying they wont be recommending this or that?

Its an exceptionally weak government but they must be shown to be in charge not NPHET.

NPHET would have best idea of their motivations but if I'd to second them it could be in part because government have previously delayed implementing their measures because of a lack of adequate warning. If NPHET are publicly cautious now, government can't exactly rely as much on that defense again.

I think there was always going to be tension about easing measures. That it's playing out more in public than previously is probably back to the above and relationship between government changing. If NPHET are going to put all these views in their recommendations and letter next week, I'm not sure what it actually changes. As everyone says government ultimately have the final decision and that won't be made until after NPHET's recommendations this day next week, either way.

stargazer 68 · 19-11-2020 12:54PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Ah ffs. All because HSE happier to pay more expensive agency rates than hiring permanent staff and leads to issues like this.

Some of the posts that agency staff are covering are maternity leave, long term sick leave and leave of absence. Its really difficult to find people to take temporary posts so agency has to be used. Not all of it obviously but certainly a portion of it.

Eod100 · 19-11-2020 12:58PM

stargazer 68 wrote: »

Some of the posts that agency staff are covering are maternity leave, long term sick leave and leave of absence. Its really difficult to find people to take temporary posts so agency has to be used. Not all of it obviously but certainly a portion of it.

Yeah they're definitely issues and would think sick leave is bigger issue now too with covid and self-isolating etc but seems to be longer issue of using it to plug holes when permanent recruitment better option. Would think part of infection control would be to try to ensure as much staff as possible only work in the one hospital say.

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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