Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

NPHET and Senior government officials clash telling NPHET they'll decide what measures are lifted. NPHET also told to stop the on going media commentary.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-as-holohan-urges-people-to-work-together-senior-officials-clash-with-nphet-1.4413035?mode=amp

mandrake04 wrote: »

In a perfect world, which none of us live in.

80% of those who would test positive under optimum conditions, you could repeatedly test someone who is infected 10 times and that person could test negative 10 times but then next day repeat the same exercise and 8 of the 10 test positive. It’s still 80% accurate but it depends on day and the patient.

PCR can be like this too, but luckily it’s so sensitive that if you take maybe 3 swabs at least one will show at least a very weak positive early on in the infection...it’s all patient dependent as well.

Could there be a case for serial and daily antigen testing in certain scenarios ie schools

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It has been apparent that several members of Nphet believed their remit was imposing dictates instead of advising government.
However I blame this and the previous government for not reigning them in sooner.
Does any other jurisdiction allow similar behaviour from public health officials as what has gone on here since March?

Certain members have been a disgrace. Playing politicians.

Civil servants doing what they have been doing would be sacked.

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Could there be a case for serial and daily antigen testing in certain scenarios ie schools

Yes daily use of antigen tests would be a better application than say one off like at airports, USA are currently using antigen tests and like I mentioned Slovakia and it’s not having the magical silver bullet effect everyone is fapping over on here.

Antigen tests have been around since July and it’s now near December I think it’s time they should just approve them and just give something else for the retards to blame.

The primary diagnosis of covid is through clinical observation and questioning about exposure, PCR is secondary for confirming a case and for asymptotic detection might as well add antigen in there to add more confusion.

AssetBacked2 wrote: »

Presumably the little teenage rodents who live in places along the red line as the Gardai have appealed for witnesses but give no descriptions!

I am not sure why you're getting such a kick out of this article, maybe you can explain?

There was video of these scum floating around recently. They werent teenagers.

manniot2 wrote: »

"NHS assembles ARMY of retired doctors, nurses, physios to administer virus"

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Take it to the conspiracy forum:P

Cork2021 wrote: »

Christ!!! 1200 kids were hospitalised by the flu last year!! How many from Covid?
Where are you getting the 1/6???
How many of the 2006 that have died in ireland are with or from Covid?
This bull**** if you get knocked down by a bus and killed but we’re asymptomatic you were counted as dying with covid and added to deaths counted. It’s bull and you know that!

Flu fatality rate is 0.1%
Covid is about 0.6%

Cork2021 wrote: »

Has it dawned on anyone yet that Covid has replaced influenza yet?

So let’s say 60/70% of the country is vaccinated by June/July next year and then you have probably the 100k plus people who’ve had Covid. That hopefully ends or substantially brings Covid to its knees. Early November 2021 people are feeling more relaxed after restrictions have been lifted since august. The flu has become widespread as people aren’t social distancing, wearing masks etc..
will we be going into lockdown?
By fûck we won’t!!!

Covid is much more serious than the flu. Makes your point irrelevant tbh

Cork2021 wrote: »

Christ!!! 1200 kids were hospitalised by the flu last year!! How many from Covid?
Where are you getting the 1/6???
How many of the 2006 that have died in ireland are with or from Covid?
This bull**** if you get knocked down by a bus and killed but we’re asymptomatic you were counted as dying with covid and added to deaths counted. It’s bull and you know that!

I'd have though that doctors filling out death certs can tell the difference between someone who was hit by a 46A and someone who died of respiratory complications from COVID, but maybe that's just me.

Thierry12 wrote: »

Worthless stat

Demographic breakdown is needed for kids

I would still guess Covid is more dangerous to kids, but maybe not 6 times

I don't believe we have had thousands of kids in hospital with Covid in 2020

Think I read we had almost 45,000 pcr confirmed cases since June 1st and 3000 or so required hosptial attention

If 1200 kids were in hospital for Flu in 2019, Covid had how many kids in 2020?

I believe flu is more dangerous to children specifically,paradoxically. But COVID much more so for other age groups obviously

Cork2021 wrote: »

Christ!!! 1200 kids were hospitalised by the flu last year!! How many from Covid?
Where are you getting the 1/6???
How many of the 2006 that have died in ireland are with or from Covid?
This bull**** if you get knocked down by a bus and killed but we’re asymptomatic you were counted as dying with covid and added to deaths counted. It’s bull and you know that!

Don't know about Ireland but in UK in 90% cases of those who die after testing positive ,COVID was the underlying cause of death,
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending6november2020
Dying 'with' covid is pretty rare, 10-15% of COVID deaths appear to be dying 'with' based on weekly reports by the ONS , and in the UK these deaths do not form part of the official covid death toll. Thousands of British deaths have COVID listed on their death certificate(as they tested positive) But are not counted in the death toll as a coroner belived it was not the cause of death.

Did you really need any stats to clear that up though, as if over 340,000 europeans just happened to drop dead from completely unrelated causes in the tiny 2 week window of the year they became infected. Some people will convince themselves of anything they want to hear

Cork2021 wrote: »

This bull**** if you get knocked down by a bus and killed but we’re asymptomatic you were counted as dying with covid and added to deaths counted. It’s bull and you know that!

Correct it is bull**** because that person would be recorded as dying due to RTA or blood loss or heart attack not covid.

However, my dad has cancer and is in his 70s, but the cancer is stabilised and being maintianed by medication and he is getting on with life. If he got Covid and died. I would want his death recorded as from Covid not cancer.