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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #9152
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    GPs disappointed at low uptake of free children’s flu vaccine

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/gps-disappointed-at-low-uptake-of-free-childrens-flu-vaccine-1036333.html

    Parents arent vaccinating their children vs Flu.

    Here we are being hysterical and hopeful of a covid vaccine for mass population to continue living :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    Either most parents are antivaxx, or most parents feel uneasy at vaccine concept in general given that all the trash about swine flu hiccups uncovered lately (where co incidentally big Tony was also involved) or parents dont think flu is a serious disease.

    Open the f*ing country for f*cks sakes.


  • #9153
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    kippy wrote: »
    It is interesting to see some of the arguments against getting a vaccine and how they are framed.
    For instance people staying that they don't know what some of the medium to long term issues might be after taking a vaccine, a vaccine that has at least been engineered, tested an peer reviewed as well as it can in the time provided yet seem to be 'happy enough' to take their chances with preferring to get the actual virus (or a variant of it) whereby we don't actually know that much about it or its long term effects. We know that most people are fine after it in the 6 or so months we have data for, but we also know some people get seriously ill with it or end up sufferening effects long after it has left them.....
    Like a lot of things in this pandemic, the logic being applied is not consistent or makes little sense when analysed....

    There's the reason for vaccine hesitancy. (Which is not to be confused with anti-vaxx)


  • #9154
    BeefeaterHat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 547 ✭✭✭BeefeaterHat


    froog wrote: »
    it's called civic duty and empathy towards those who are at risk. you may need to google those terms.

    Judging by your earlier post your great sense of empathy doesn't extend to the 150k people out of work so get off your crucifix.


  • #9155
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    jackboy wrote: »
    Are you sure your figures are correct. I didn’t think the figures ever got near 60%.

    60%? LOL

    Good one.

    According to figures from the Health Protection Surveillance Centre, 43.1% of healthcare workers in long-term care facilities received the flu vaccine.

    Only nine of over 200 HSE-run facilities surveyed would have reached the 75% vaccination target announced for this year.

    Some facilities reported flu vaccine uptake rates among staff below 10%, despite the vaccine being free for healthcare workers.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/hse-healthcare-workers-vaccine-flu-covid-19-winter-5201937-Sep2020/

    Pretty fascinating. People think vaccines are so shi*e that they wont even take them for free. and then the same people go and care for elderly and vulnerable. :rolleyes:


  • #9156
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,238 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    GPs disappointed at low uptake of free children’s flu vaccine

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/gps-disappointed-at-low-uptake-of-free-childrens-flu-vaccine-1036333.html

    Parents arent vaccinating their children vs Flu.

    Here we are being hysterical and hopeful of a covid vaccine for mass population to continue living :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    Either most parents are antivaxx, or most parents feel uneasy at vaccine concept in general given that all the trash about swine flu hiccups uncovered lately (where co incidentally big Tony was also involved) or parents dont think flu is a serious disease.

    Open the f*ing country for f*cks sakes.

    Or maybe there's a number of other reasons for this.....


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  • #9157
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,238 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    polesheep wrote: »
    There's the reason for vaccine hesitancy. (Which is not to be confused with anti-vaxx)

    Of yeah, I am not suggesting there is no reason to be hesitant but I am speaking speciifilly about those that are 'preferring' to catch covid rather than get a vaccine....


  • #9158
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,939 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    kippy wrote: »
    It is interesting to see some of the arguments against getting a vaccine and how they are framed.
    For instance people staying that they don't know what some of the medium to long term issues might be after taking a vaccine, a vaccine that has at least been engineered, tested an peer reviewed as well as it can in the time provided yet seem to be 'happy enough' to take their chances with preferring to get the actual virus (or a variant of it) whereby we don't actually know that much about it or its long term effects. We know that most people are fine after it in the 6 or so months we have data for, but we also know some people get seriously ill with it or end up sufferening effects long after it has left them.....
    Like a lot of things in this pandemic, the logic being applied is not consistent or makes little sense when analysed....

    It's a pretty big gamble to take alright .
    I would have been cautious enough with my kids and while provaccine would have quizzed up and read a lot before getting their shots, like any parent would.
    I got the Swine flu and also the bloody vaccine at work , because I was working in ICU and they were ticking names off who had got it or not , very intimidating . We all felt it was rushed.
    I don't feel that about this but wait to see all the safety results and that it is approved and peer reviewed first .
    I think we can kiss goodbye to normality, socialising and concerts and travel if was population don't gettoherd immunity.
    Be about 10 years without the vaccine ..


  • #9159
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Anyone else get a John Delaney vibe off Danny McCoy?


  • #9160
    BeefeaterHat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 547 ✭✭✭BeefeaterHat


    kippy wrote: »
    What have they got in place versus what we have got in place?

    The PM of Japan has said everyone in Japan can be vaccinated if they want to. Unfortunately I'm not privy to the inner workings of the Japanese health system so I cant say what they have in place


  • #9161
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,030 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Yep.
    Are you ?

    I’m not sure but another poster has given data totally at odds with what you are saying.

    Are you still sure about 67% and rising?


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  • #9162
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    kippy wrote: »
    Or maybe there's a number of other reasons for this.....

    Well cost is not one of those reasons as they are free...


  • #9163
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    BeefeaterHat wrote: »
    The PM of Japan has said everyone in Japan can be vaccinated if they want to. Unfortunately I'm not privy to the inner workings of the Japanese health system so I cant say what they have in place

    A proper healthcare system.


  • #9164
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,939 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    kippy wrote: »
    Or maybe there's a number of other reasons for this.....

    Yes.
    People don't want to go to GPs full stop atm .


  • #9165
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    A proper healthcare system.

    221 staff off work at University Hospital Limerick with Covid. Which by any metric is shocking. This item of news featured at 6.35 on Six One. Pubs were discussed (and condemned) at 6.10. Now you know how RTÉ set their agenda. Appalling bias.


  • #9166
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,939 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    60%? LOL

    Good one.

    According to figures from the Health Protection Surveillance Centre, 43.1% of healthcare workers in long-term care facilities received the flu vaccine.

    Only nine of over 200 HSE-run facilities surveyed would have reached the 75% vaccination target announced for this year.

    Some facilities reported flu vaccine uptake rates among staff below 10%, despite the vaccine being free for healthcare workers.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/hse-healthcare-workers-vaccine-flu-covid-19-winter-5201937-Sep2020/

    Pretty fascinating. People think vaccines are so shi*e that they wont even take them for free. and then the same people go and care for elderly and vulnerable. :rolleyes:

    This flu season hadn't even started yet when that was written . 10% by September is amazing, lol !

    And spare me your so " sincere concern for the elderly and vulnerable ," and eye rolling ..


  • #9167
    BeefeaterHat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 547 ✭✭✭BeefeaterHat


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    A proper healthcare system.

    Exactly, the HSE **** things up at every turn why does anyone think a vaccine rollout will be any different?


  • #9168
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    60%? LOL

    Good one.

    According to figures from the Health Protection Surveillance Centre, 43.1% of healthcare workers in long-term care facilities received the flu vaccine.

    Only nine of over 200 HSE-run facilities surveyed would have reached the 75% vaccination target announced for this year.

    Some facilities reported flu vaccine uptake rates among staff below 10%, despite the vaccine being free for healthcare workers.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/hse-healthcare-workers-vaccine-flu-covid-19-winter-5201937-Sep2020/

    Pretty fascinating. People think vaccines are so shi*e that they wont even take them for free. and then the same people go and care for elderly and vulnerable. :rolleyes:

    The issue isn't that people are anti-vaxx, it's that they don't trust our healthcare system. And who would blame them after the vaccine, cervical, and other scandals. At a critical time in the nation's health, the people don't trust the healthcare providers.


  • #9169
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Deleted User wrote: »
    221 staff out of work at University Hospital Limerick with Covid. Which by any metric is shocking. This item of news featured at 6.35 on Six One. Pubs were discussed (and condemned) at 6.10. Now you know how RTÉ set their agenda. Appalling bias.

    RTE are trash. Have absolute nobodies. You go to France and you tell them "Tubridy" and they ll say "who".

    Lets face it - RTE are Dublin Zoo, but with permanent secured funding from the govt.


  • #9170
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    BeefeaterHat wrote: »
    Judging by your earlier post your great sense of empathy doesn't extend to the 150k people out of work so get off your crucifix.

    you're right, i value elderly lives more than jobs. i'm completely ok with that.


  • #9171
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,238 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    BeefeaterHat wrote: »
    The PM of Japan has said everyone in Japan can be vaccinated if they want to. Unfortunately I'm not privy to the inner workings of the Japanese health system so I cant say what they have in place
    That's hardly a plan is it?
    Politicians say lots of stuff.....now you are happy to believe them.

    They have no more of an actual "Plan" than anyone else might have - they have some aspirations, no doubt.


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  • #9172
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,238 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    60%? LOL

    Good one.

    According to figures from the Health Protection Surveillance Centre, 43.1% of healthcare workers in long-term care facilities received the flu vaccine.

    Only nine of over 200 HSE-run facilities surveyed would have reached the 75% vaccination target announced for this year.

    Some facilities reported flu vaccine uptake rates among staff below 10%, despite the vaccine being free for healthcare workers.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/hse-healthcare-workers-vaccine-flu-covid-19-winter-5201937-Sep2020/

    Pretty fascinating. People think vaccines are so shi*e that they wont even take them for free. and then the same people go and care for elderly and vulnerable. :rolleyes:
    To put it bluntly, there were hardly ANY supplies of flu vaccine available in mid September for healthcare staff or the general populace, this went on into mid October from memory.


  • #9173
    BeefeaterHat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 547 ✭✭✭BeefeaterHat


    froog wrote: »
    you're right, i value elderly lives more than jobs. i'm completely ok with that.

    And what's going to pay to maintain the health care the lives you're so worried about or do you prescribe to the 'ah sure we'll just borrow' school of economics?


  • #9174
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    froog wrote: »
    you're right, i value elderly lives more than jobs. i'm completely ok with that.

    How very noble of you.

    Are you already past retirement age or near it?

    Do you have a mortgage with young kids your concerned about?


  • #9175
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    kippy wrote: »
    To put it bluntly, there were hardly ANY supplies of flu vaccine available in mid September for healthcare staff or the general populace, this went on into mid October from memory.

    I suppose 2018, 2017 etc. hardly had any supplies of flu vaccine also?

    “If you can’t get the flu, then you can’t spread the flu. Overall uptake rates for flu vaccine amongst healthcare workers working in the acute hospital sector reached 44.9% last year, up from 34% the previous season. More than 3/5 of our hospitals now exceed the 40% national uptake target.

    https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/media/pressrel/annual-flu-vaccine-campaign-launched-as-vaccine-uptake-rates-for-healthcare-workers-rates-at-highest-ever-levels.html


  • #9176
    Dempo1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,109 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    IBEC & Retail excellence beginning to sound like broken records, it's a bit like ground hog day, the same old "Woe is me Mantra" when we are nearing an end to a specified level, today a little different, IBEC go after NPHET in quite a personal attack, claiming individual members doing interviews discussing business decisions, absolute nonsense of course. Various medical experts have been doing interviews, discussing medical facts and in fairness none that I can recall are over joyed at any business being closed.

    2000 deaths is today's milestone, in the US a death every 50 seconds, yes every 50 seconds currently being reported.

    FFS, there has and are exceedingly generous businesses supports (rarely acknowledged by representative groups)

    I won't get started on the TUI nonsense seeking extra holidays.

    Is it really to much to ask, a little objectivity and patience.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • #9177
    BeefeaterHat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 547 ✭✭✭BeefeaterHat


    kippy wrote: »
    That's hardly a plan is it?
    Politicians say lots of stuff.....now you are happy to believe them.

    They have no more of an actual "Plan" than anyone else might have - they have some aspirations, no doubt.

    Considering how well the Japanese authorities have coped so far I'll take their word for it, this shower here deserve no such thing


  • #9178
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    How very noble of you.

    Are you already past retirement age or near it?

    Do you have a mortgage with young kids your concerned about?

    none of your business random internet person.

    and none of those is anywhere close to a moral reason why a normal human being would value jobs over elderly human lives.


  • #9179
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,238 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    I suppose 2018, 2017 etc. hardly had any supplies of flu vaccine also?

    “If you can’t get the flu, then you can’t spread the flu. Overall uptake rates for flu vaccine amongst healthcare workers working in the acute hospital sector reached 44.9% last year, up from 34% the previous season. More than 3/5 of our hospitals now exceed the 40% national uptake target.

    https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/media/pressrel/annual-flu-vaccine-campaign-launched-as-vaccine-uptake-rates-for-healthcare-workers-rates-at-highest-ever-levels.html

    Where the problem, exceeding targets.
    Have a look at the numbers elsewhere:
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/305415879_Increasing_the_coverage_of_influenza_vaccination_in_healthcare_workers_review_of_challenges_and_solutions

    (latest data I can find)


  • #9180
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,238 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    BeefeaterHat wrote: »
    Considering how well the Japanese authorities have coped so far I'll take their word for it, this shower here deserve no such thing

    Sound.
    It's the same as the "plan" here then.


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  • #9181
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Dempo1 wrote: »
    IBEC & Retail excellence beginning to sound like broken records, it's a bit like ground hog day, the same old "Woe is me Mantra" when we are nearing an end to a specified level, today a little different, IBEC go after NPHET in quite a personal attack, claiming individual members doing interviews discussing business decisions, absolute nonsense of course. Various medical experts have been doing interviews, discussing medical facts and in fairness none that I can recall are over joyed at any business being closed.

    2000 deaths is today's milestone, in the US a death every 50 seconds, yes every 50 seconds currently being reported.

    FFS, there has and are exceedingly generous businesses supports (rarely acknowledged by representative groups)

    I won't get started on the TUI nonsense seeking extra holidays.

    Is it really to much to ask, a little objectivity and patience.

    We have Dublin pub staff out of work for 8 months. Little patience as in 3 - 5 years?

    But to answer, NO. It is too much to ask to impose ridiculous nonsense restrictions that prevent absolutely no deaths (as most covid is spread in the hospital, cus you know HSE are woeful at mask wearing and reducing transmission themselves)

    I am unsure why you are quoting death frequency in USA... theres 8 million + dying from hunger per year and we have a vaccine against that, its called food. But just because its not reported on RTE doesnt mean it doesnt happen. Thats one every 25 secs.


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