Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Goldengirl wrote: »

As a healthcare professional , I get my flu vaccine every year , and would have no problem getting this yearly .
I hope it doesn't have to be more than that .
So far nurses and midwives are the highest of any occupation to be infected with Covid , so we will be hoping that we get decent and lasting immunity from a vaccine .

That remains to be seen considering that about a half of healthcare professionals do not take flu vaccine despite high risk of infection too.
Maybe the same will happen with covid vaccine who knows?

prunudo wrote: »

On one hand you want us to believe your story that you're a health care worker yet you won't take another posters story at face value. Its an anonymous site, we have to believe each other or whats the point to engaging with each other.

I don't doubt you, but at the same time i don't doubt Thierry's story about the 93 yr old either.

That is your prerogative , Prunudo .
I initially replied in good faith to his post and was surprised when another posted the article about the antivaxx site with the SAME STORY .
I was not happy with his/ her response when questioned and there was insults and then more anti vaccine statements , so I just felt , ah here , not buying this .
Also he questioned my bona fides first !

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I do have to say that this time 6 months ago the lockdown support was much bigger in this thread. We had Arghus pop in here for occasional post about covid deaths and excess deaths etc.etc.

Now I see 95% of posters borderline posting "F&(£ NPHET"
and the 5% who say that our restrictions are "somewhat in line with rest of Europe" when in reality they are quite draconian.

I am prepared to be called a snowflake with world war references and how people risked lives whereas I am complaining about closed pubs - come at me :rolleyes:

Ah the old excess deaths.

That argument went up in smoke like a spitfire crossing the channel

froog wrote: »

yeah that doesn't mean we have no elderly people in the country.

14% over 65, which is around 700,000, of which only 30,000 according to Nursing Homes Ireland are residents of nursing homes. That means around 650,000 living in the community. 1 in every 7 in that category alone.

That does not include all those that are vulnerable to this virus due to various medical conditions, including over 170,000 living with cancer.
Overall between 25% -30% of the population are in the vulnerable category.

Goldengirl wrote: »

That is your prerogative , Prunudo .
I initially replied in good faith to his post and was surprised when another posted the article about the antivaxx site with the SAME STORY .
I was not happy with his/ her response when questioned and there was insults and then more anti vaccine statements , so I just felt , ah here , not buying this .

Thats fair enough, I know there are some posters on a wind up mission but the majority post in good faith. Or maybe I'm too gullible!

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I did.

If metrics for the implementation of restrictions don’t change, the effects of the vaccine won’t be felt for a considerable amount of time until everyone is vaccinated.

Sports and socialising is likely to be years away

Unless we have an adult conversation

the at risk are getting vaccines early 2021. that's several weeks away. the rest of us gradually over the next 6 months or so. restrictions gradually easing all the time.

but carry on with your doomer talk if it somehow makes you feel better.

it's genuinely hilarious how people accused pro restrictions people of being doomers on here who hated numbers decreasing or good vaccine news. it's quite evident it's the other side who are miserable things are getting better fast.

froog wrote: »

the at risk are getting vaccines early 2021. that's several weeks away. the rest of us gradually over the next 6 months or so. restrictions gradually easing all the time.

but carry on with your doomer talk if it somehow makes you feel better.

it's genuinely hilarious how people accused pro restrictions people of being doomers on here who hated numbers decreasing or good vaccine news. it's quite evident it's the other side who are miserable things are getting better fast.

Im not a doomer in the slightest.

The restrictions are set to achieve 0 Covid as seen throughout last Summer.

That’s a while away

Unless a significant number of changes occurs, particularly in Ireland

Goldengirl wrote: »

Aha , the same old chestnut .
That would be from about 4 or 5 years ago .
Vaccine uptake has risen significantly to 67% and rising since then .
I would say the Covid uptake will be higher .

Not according to Pat Kenny this morning who was spitting fury at the guest as to why his members weren't taking the flu vaccine and how irresponsible it was that they were treating vulnerable patients without it.

All the union guy could do was stammer about how they advise their members to take it etc

George Lee out with a Bucketload of waffle on Six One - ‘NPHET are at a loss as to why the progress has stopped’. Quite a few deaths announced today - perhaps look at your nursing home and hospital testing regimes.
‘Be good girls and boys or there’ll be no Christmas’ - I actually hope Lee & Holohan go for their cancelling Christmas narrative as it might be the straw that breaks the camels back re our Government actually being forced to take the lead on this. Where are our Government and why are we subject to unelected doctors lecturing us daily who have no accountability?

Goldengirl wrote: »

Generally I take as I find , but, with some posters , once bitten ...

I think, in the main , bit more reliable on the vaccine or main covid thread .
Although when this thread shuts down as it does early in the night ..ish...I have noticed a few WUMs move in packs to the other threads

They tend to not hang around the vaccine thread long for whatever reason

Goldengirl wrote: »

Generally I take as I find , but, with some posters , once bitten ...

I think, in the main , bit more reliable on the vaccine or main covid thread .
Although when this thread shuts down as it does early in the night ..ish...I have noticed a few WUMs move in packs to the other threads

If by "more reliable" you mean people in sync with your worldview and the RTE/NPHET narrative then sure!

NPHET are made up of civil servants and GPs and members of the same body that has completely mismanaged the health service for decades despite ever-increasing funding, and beset by scandal after scandal - from lost laptops/files with patient info, to Cervical Check

Why do you think that these SAME PEOPLE are suddenly more competent and qualified now?

Goldengirl wrote: »

As a healthcare professional , I get my flu vaccine every year , and would have no problem getting this yearly .
I hope it doesn't have to be more than that .
So far nurses and midwives are the highest of any occupation to be infected with Covid , so we will be hoping that we get decent and lasting immunity from a vaccine .

It is interesting to see some of the arguments against getting a vaccine and how they are framed.
For instance people staying that they don't know what some of the medium to long term issues might be after taking a vaccine, a vaccine that has at least been engineered, tested an peer reviewed as well as it can in the time provided yet seem to be 'happy enough' to take their chances with preferring to get the actual virus (or a variant of it) whereby we don't actually know that much about it or its long term effects. We know that most people are fine after it in the 6 or so months we have data for, but we also know some people get seriously ill with it or end up sufferening effects long after it has left them.....
Like a lot of things in this pandemic, the logic being applied is not consistent or makes little sense when analysed....

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

My point is that Japan have likely got the necessary preparations put in place to have everyone vaccinated by the summer while here we'll be the slow kids in the class making a balls of it.

What have they got in place versus what we have got in place?