Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

kippy wrote: »

Are the majority complying with the regulation or not - that is the question. Not "why are they complying" - "are they happy to be complying?"

If the majority weren't complying surely, you'd see more fines being handed out, more enforcement measures?

It's just a narrative that some people are intent on putting out with zero factual backup.

Perhaps the hassle with being perceived a danger to society by going about your daily business, or being spotted more than 5km from your house, or being seen calling into your neighbour who most definitely isn’t in your bubble.

Evidence of conformity is not evidence of happy compliance. I reckon the why of compliance is an important to be aware of, especially if it’s being taken as an indication of vaccine uptake.

Would it not be the case that by default introducing level 5 for 6 weeks, leaving about 3 weeks to Christmas that the decision is essentially made that Christmas shopping and celebrations are pretty much dead in the water.

If restrictions are reduced in 2 weeks time, does anyone seriously think there is not going to be a stampede outside retail outlets, shopping centres etc. Its going to be absolute chaos with enevitable consequences.

Various retail lobbying groups are on every spare moment looking for early lifting of restrictions, Publicans bizzarely claiming if they were open, it would stop crowding outside venues and on our city streets.

There is no conceivable way to gradually reopen retail. I may be wrong but is it time to face reality?

bucketybuck wrote: »

It might be your question, but I wasn't replying to you, I was replying to the poster who said that people were happily wearing masks and then using that as evidence for his point on vaccines.

Fair enough - I don't think people are "happy" about any of this to be honest.
But the majority will be eager to see the back of this period in our history.

brisan wrote: »

Its level 5 in name only
Traffic on the roads will tell you thousands are not obeying it
I drove from Killester to Crumlin and back and traffic was mental and no sign of the Gardai
Its pointless at this stage

Were you expecting traffic levels to match those in March or April?

kippy wrote: »

Were you expecting traffic levels to match those in March or April?

No but I think Tony hoped they would

nofools wrote: »

The sensible majority or the difficult minority earning us more and more restrictions daily.

Some people are slow learners that can't put 2 and 2 together about cause and effect.

Not sure it's much of a minority any more

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Damn. For a second there we were having a quality debate. But you went ahead and ruined it.

So you are essentially saying that even though PUP is given under Urgent needs payments under Section 202 of the Social Welfare Consolidation Act 2005, it is fine to be taxed purely because govt had no time to make it means tested?

Or you are saying that all income is taxable. Regardless of actual laws of this country? (I ll give you a hint, not all income is taxable.)


Your point of "to not tax it would be unfair to all those others receiving government money (for work performed or under social welfare act)" is quite moot and is lacking substance.

You are right there
Children's allowance (or whatever it is called nowadays
14,000 a year under the rent a room scheme not taxable

TRANQUILLO wrote: »

I thought the data showed that excess mortality was minimal. it's essentially a normal year for people dying (in the UK anyway).

Im open to correction.

Yeah, similar here in Ireland...

hmmm wrote: »

We know that the superspreading events happen in places which are indoors, poorly ventilated and usually with people speaking loudly or shouting. There has been multiple examples worldwide of pubs, restaurants and cafes being sources of mass cases - e.g.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40058144.html
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-college-students-on-a-break-and-middle-aged-people-in-rural-pub-linked-to-large-clusters-1.4369322
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-seventy-cases-in-cork-traced-to-local-pubs-and-restaurants-in-recent-weeks-1.4366678

I agree with Kermit. Until we get the virus numbers back down to very low levels, it is difficult to see how the government will allow pubs and restaurants to reopen without us having to go back into lockdown a few weeks or short few months later.

The good news is that the vaccines will become available probably in January. As we vaccinate more people, the supply of humans for Covid to infect will decrease which should allow us open up more.

Each of those 3 articles says "linked".

Linked does not mean it actually happened there.

You ever heard of Messi being linked to Arsenal? :rolleyes:

nofools wrote: »

Ok that isn't a derivation of how one will be worse than the other, you are just shouting numbers for drama like the papers do.

Numbers need context and comparison.

The healer should do no harm and if you can convince I will change my mind completely.

I am not seeing it yet.

Tell that to the people who got covid in hospital
Tell that to the people who will die from cancer because the hospital cancelled their screening

Deleted User wrote: »

Dublin zoo at risk of closing for good due to restrictions.

We need this nonsense to stop.

Government will step in there for sure.

average_runner wrote: »

He is just doing what you do. You put up stuff and never back it up with evidence.

what are you talking about my friend? I always back up my stuff when I say there is 20% unemployment in the country and 45% youth unemployment

https://www.buzz.ie/news/unemployment-figures-october-2020-covid19-adjusted-397769

But thank you for admitting OP posting "stuff" and not backing it up with any evidence.

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

They'll fold like a deck of cards after last time they don't want to be seen openly going against NPHET and Holohan knows it. The very fact he's 'spoiling for a fight' allegedly tells you he knows he's got them by the bollocks.

True unfortunately. The govt have never faced down Holohan and Nphet- it would be a fairly radical departure for them

thebaz wrote: »

Does the number of increases not relate to schools re-opening after mid-term ?

But not to worry Tony and the Doom and gloom merchants at NPHET will keep preaching to its citizens how we are not behaving , and as bold school children our Christmas might be taken away .
We have the strictest and longest lockdowns in Europe and no one in the media is questioning the effectiveness of this self elected highly paid elite , perhaps many in the public are getting jaded of this never-ending lockdown and that is why they are disobeying our betters.
Why did NPHET not increase ICU capacity dramatically over the summer , something practical rather than the never ending Fear inducing lockdown or threat of lockdown.

If you let it get to the stage where you have more people in ICU you have lost the battle
Protect the nursing homes
Ask the elderly to cocoon and support them
Ask the rest of us to wear masks ,sanitise ,social distance and let retail and hospitality get back to level 2
Any Bar pub or restaurant breaking the rules ,close them for 90 days