Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

growleaves · 17-11-2020 02:24PM

Old national pastime: GAA

New national pastime: The blame game

eagle eye · 17-11-2020 02:24PM

giveitholly wrote:

Doctor on radio one now(missed her name) blaming the outbreak in UHL on workers bringing the virus into the hospital from household settings

Probably got it from their school going kids.

17-11-2020 02:26PM

growleaves wrote: »

Old national pastime: GAA

New national pastime: The blame game

Some people are ****ing loving the blame game and its utterly pathetic

440Hertz · 17-11-2020 02:28PM

My question is still if there’s that level of spread in a hospital they needs to look at why.

Is the PPE as good as it needs to be?
Are the procedures for dealing with patients and testing appropriately designed?
Is the hospital overcrowded?

If memory serves, UHL is always under extreme pressure. Hardly surprising then that it’s has an outbreak.

giveitholly · 17-11-2020 02:31PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Probably got it from their school going kids.

Is every person in limerick with children working in the hospital? Or is it just the nurses and doctors with children that are getting it off their children and carrying it into the hospital?

Russman · 17-11-2020 02:39PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I agree.

I would take a test before travelling.
Be strict with PPE when travelling.
Isolate on arrival and get a test after a few days.

I would then get another test 3 days before departure, wear PPE again travelling and have a clear test when I arrive back to where I live before going into work.

What’s the problem with that???

Our government are into their second day of governing by Twitter about the outrage of some people gathering outdoors instead of working on solutions that are practical and possible to ensure a lot of families can be together safely at Christmas this year.

That’s what they have to find solutions for or they need to admit that their goal of “living with COVID” is a complete failure.

I’m not away, and I’ve nobody that is, but famailies that can be together should be together this year.

The issue is with the large numbers who will do none of that and be straight off a plane, and drinking in a neighbours/friends house within a couple of hours of landing.

Non solum non ambulabit · 17-11-2020 03:07PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

Some woman on the radio now blaming socialising in Limerick for the reason for the increase in cases with absolutely no scientific basis just hearsay and making it up!!

She should post on this thread

eagle eye · 17-11-2020 03:08PM

giveitholly wrote:

Is every person in limerick with children working in the hospital? Or is it just the nurses and doctors with children that are getting it off their children and carrying it into the hospital?

I'm just putting out the other inconvenient reason. HSE don't want your blame schools or the hospital so let's go community transmission for everything.

wadacrack · 17-11-2020 03:08PM

Very bad numbers in the North again.

https://twitter.com/vincekearney/status/1328700451395604480

niallo27 · 17-11-2020 03:10PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I am so sorry, I know data has no place compared to what someones friend on facebook says

What data proves that people just want to have pints.

Non solum non ambulabit · 17-11-2020 03:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

This is being conveniently overlooked, pupils as the initial asymptomatic carrier passing it on to their parents who in turn spread it around the workplace. Will Tony ever address this uncomfortable truth however, we'll be waiting a long time for an honest answer.

It would easily be traced back to the school as the kids would be tested as close contacts of the parents and the source identified. That is not happening, as much as you would like it to be the schools.

prunudo · 17-11-2020 03:18PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

It would easily be traced back to the school as the kids would be tested as close contacts of the parents and the source identified. That is not happening, as much as you would like it to be the schools.

Its chicken and egg scenario though who gave it to who first.

ACitizenErased · 17-11-2020 03:25PM

It could absolutely be the schools causing issues but it is incredibly naive of posters on here to blame it without an inkling of evidence. There is zero evidence, despite how it all seems to make sense.

wadacrack · 17-11-2020 03:26PM

Their will be mass testing carried out in schools eventually like Austria, that will likely tell the more accurate picture.

polesheep · 17-11-2020 03:41PM

Where I live there are currently about a dozen families in isolation due to a cluster in a local school. They are mostly coming to an end of their isolation with no illness bar a day of slight chills for a few. For me that's proof that it's in the schools but also proof that they should be kept open.

ednwireland · 17-11-2020 03:45PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

The government have withdrawn plans to do anything about take away pints.

The government have never been serious about enforcement.

they would have to change the licensing laws for drinking outside pubs and i suspect that would be a can of worms

seamus · 17-11-2020 03:46PM

440Hertz wrote: »

My question is still if there’s that level of spread in a hospital they needs to look at why.

Is the PPE as good as it needs to be?
Are the procedures for dealing with patients and testing appropriately designed?
Is the hospital overcrowded?

When a hospital has chronic issues in a certain area of best practice, it usually comes to down to management, the pressure they place on staff and the culture of practice that they've allowed to grow/fester.

If management put staff under pressure to the detriment of best clinical practice.

Or if management turn a blind eye to poor practice so long as the production line keeps moving.

Same as in any job, staff who complain are blacklisted or otherwise "worked out" of the hospital.

Icyseanfitz · 17-11-2020 03:56PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

It could absolutely be the schools causing issues but it is incredibly naive of posters on here to blame it without an inkling of evidence. There is zero evidence, despite how it all seems to make sense.

Problem is there is nothing else really left, a process of elimination would indicate that schools are one of the only sectors left fully open as normal, and certainly the biggest sector currently operating.

Stark · 17-11-2020 04:01PM

I still reckon it's the weather/short days. Last lockdown, there was no reason for people not to do all their socialising outdoors in parks and the like or out in the back garden where it was relatively safe. This time round, the weather/short days are driving people indoors into high-risk environments. Seriously high numbers of outbreaks in private homes https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-19outbreaksclustersinireland/ . At a guess it might also be why we did better from Level 3 than Level 5. In Level 3, there was plenty of stuff to do in controlled lower risk environments. In Level 5, nothing to do but call round to someone's house for tea/cans when you get bored.

owlbethere · 17-11-2020 04:07PM

If you can't buy a toy in advance of Christmas in aldi or lidl or you can't get toys or underwear or socks with your grocery shop in dunnes or tesco because they are considered non essential, no way should pubs be allowed open to serve take away pints and alcohol. The pubs opening for take aways facilitates the movement of people for no essential reasons and that's its the level 5 we are have right now and the authorities are trying to reduce the movement of people for non essential reasons.

MOR316 · 17-11-2020 04:12PM

Walked through my local shopping centre just there.
Christmas decorations up, Christmas music playing and hardly a sinner around.

Must admit, I am kinda crushed about that. Can't speak for anyone else nor would I ever but, for me, seeing other people happy and all the love and joy that comes with Christmas time, makes up for whatever hardships and **** you go through during the year. It's what society and life is all about or what it should be about I guess.

Walking through Grafton Street or St. Stephen's Green, soaking up the atmosphere...Sitting in a warm up pub during the afternoon, taking shelter from the cold, seeing old friends get together... The morale and good feeling in the office...Children bedazzled by the lights on the street and in awe of Santy

Will miss all of that, deeply.

I know someone will quote this and say, "Yeah well tough! The virus doesn't care, we must obey everything Saint Tony says and stay at home" and all that jazz but, I really have no time for any of that tbh. I've done everything asked of me, I'm not interested in your soundbytes nor am I interested in singing the praises of Tony Holohan

lawrencesummers · 17-11-2020 04:14PM

Russman wrote: »

The issue is with the large numbers who will do none of that and be straight off a plane, and drinking in a neighbours/friends house within a couple of hours of landing.

No.
The issue is that the government are not putting in place the resources, systems and legislation that will ensure it can be done, and then doing it.

Instead they are hoping to scare people into not travelling, blaming some people who were outdoors and putting themselves in a “I told you so” position in January.

This Virus has been here since March. The idea that by xmas the Irish Government and the EU have not go to grips with minimising the risks around travel to allow people travel home for Xmas goes goes to show that they are completely incompetent.

But then again what would they care, they all know they can travel home for Christmas.

eagle eye · 17-11-2020 04:17PM

MOR316 wrote:

I know someone will quote this and say, "Yeah well tough! The virus doesn't care, we must obey everything Saint Tony says and stay at home" and all that jazz but, I really have no time for any of that tbh. I've done everything asked of me, I'm not interested in your soundbytes nor am I interested in singing the praises of Tony Holohan

It's tough, no doubt about that. I'm willing to give up on the short term so we can have many more great occasions down the line when this thing is sorted.
I'm pretty sure too that many people, especially kids will tell you that our next normal Christmas was the best one ever.

Ficheall · 17-11-2020 04:19PM

s1ippy wrote: »

I'm probably one of the more cautious on here. I'd say given the general outlook, most people wouldn't be taking any more risk getting on a plane than say, going to work.

If you work in a windowless office with a couple of hundred people or travel to work on multiple buses, right?

440Hertz · 17-11-2020 04:28PM

I see France is now closing bars, café and restaurants until mid January!

https://twitter.com/France24_fr/status/1328666118895054848?s=19

seamus · 17-11-2020 04:35PM

440Hertz wrote: »

I see France is now closing bars, café and restaurants until mid January!

https://twitter.com/France24_fr/status/1328666118895054848?s=19

That says, "Could stay closed until mid-January".

Basically there are rumblings that they'll throw another 6 weeks on top of their existing lockdown after it was confirmed sports stadiums wouldn't reopen before the end of the year.

France has gotten on top of this wave, but the effect on the hospitals will continue to be felt well into December. So they're worried that reopening after 4 weeks could be a disaster if a third wave kicks in, in January if the hospitals are still half full from the second wave.

MerlinSouthDub · 17-11-2020 04:35PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Problem is there is nothing else really left, a process of elimination would indicate that schools are one of the only sectors left fully open as normal, and certainly the biggest sector currently operating.

All manufacturing and construction are fully open - lots of people in close quarters.

17-11-2020 04:36PM

El Sueño wrote: »

Confirmed reinfections are practically non-existent compared to the number of cases. 30 odd confirmed worldwide out of 54 million+ cases.

That sort of number would suggest a dodgy immune system or a mistake in testing rather than reinfection being a feature of covid.

BringBackMick · 17-11-2020 04:39PM

440Hertz wrote: »

I see France is now closing bars, café and restaurants until mid January!

https://twitter.com/France24_fr/status/1328666118895054848?s=19

Fortunately Ireland are in a much better position than France.

Icyseanfitz · 17-11-2020 04:41PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

All manufacturing and construction are fully open - lots of people in close quarters.

Not to the extent in schools with 1+ million individuals

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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