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COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

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  • #6002
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Irish Stones wrote: »
    I told you, that's a fake newpapers. Who knows there is behind that website.

    Which you followed by saying they're right most of the time.

    I'm not sure how many times you've to be told the opposite before accepting it. Almost a daily occurrence of a post featuring something about Italian media for it very quickly to be proven inaccurate.

    A simple Google search tells you all you need to know about the EUs current deals be it Pfizer, CureVac or Moderna.


  • #6003
    Le Bruise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭Le Bruise


    Irish Stones wrote: »
    I told you, that's a fake newpapers. Who knows there is behind that website.

    Then why use it as a source?


  • #6004
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Irish Stones wrote: »
    In my opinion, it's weird that no more certainties can be given about this vaccine. Lots of probably, likely, and so on.


    Wouldn't these terms instill too many doubts in people who are already unsure about taking this vaccine?
    I think that nobody could blame them if they are hesitant.

    You're reading the news as it unfurls, not a bedtime story for kids. How on earth could you expect certainty, when the investigations into the vaccines aren't complete yet?


  • #6005
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Le Bruise wrote: »
    Then why use it as a source?

    They're trying to be smart after I called out a few of the Italian links they posted last week as being BS, very easy to disprove them but sure its like talking to a brick wall.

    Such as that link this morning saying eu doesn't have anything with Moderna, takes 2 seconds to disprove


  • #6006
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,149 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Our share if the modern a vaccine is only 1.6m doses so we need the Pfizer one as well


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  • #6007
    Le Bruise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭Le Bruise


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Our share if the modern a vaccine is only 1.6m doses so we need the Pfizer one as well

    We'll get our share of both....plus whatever else comes down the line. The joys of being part of the EU.


  • #6008
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,149 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Le Bruise wrote: »
    We'll get our share of both....plus whatever else comes down the line. The joys of being part of the EU.

    Hopefully, there’s not enough of others for the HSE to say they don’t want the Pfizer one because of the storage issue


  • #6009
    iguana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    I just saw on twitter that a portion of the funding for the Moderna vaccine came from a fund donated by Dolly Parton. I feel like there's a Nearly 95, percent protection from my vaccine parody song on it's way to us.

    I'm also curious about how the anti-vaxxers forthcoming evil Dolly conspiracy will go.


  • #6010
    enda1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭enda1


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Our share if the modern a vaccine is only 1.6m doses so we need the Pfizer one as well

    Out of interest, when they say 1.6M doses for example, does this mean 800,000 people can be vaccinated since it takes 2 doses spaced apart or is that already taken into account and so it means 1.6M people?

    Cheers


  • #6011
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Our share if the modern a vaccine is only 1.6m doses so we need the Pfizer one as well

    We get both.

    EU will assign whatever they have on a pro rata basis


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  • #6012
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Hopefully, there’s not enough of others for the HSE to say they don’t want the Pfizer one because of the storage issue

    Its not a case of saying they don't want it.

    Government has signed into pre purchase and put the money forward as part of the EU collective


  • #6013
    AssetBacked2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭AssetBacked2


    iguana wrote: »
    I just saw on twitter that a portion of the funding for the Moderna vaccine came from a fund donated by Dolly Parton. I feel like there's a Nearly 95, percent protection from my vaccine parody song on it's way to us.

    I'm also curious about how the anti-vaxxers forthcoming evil Dolly conspiracy will go.

    It depends whether her funding was a donation or an investment.


  • #6014
    lbj666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭lbj666


    enda1 wrote: »
    Out of interest, when they say 1.6M doses for example, does this mean 800,000 people can be vaccinated since it takes 2 doses spaced apart or is that already taken into account and so it means 1.6M people?

    Cheers

    Generally the numbers you see floating around are expressed in doses, not recipients


  • #6015
    enda1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭enda1


    lbj666 wrote: »
    Generally the numbers you see floating around are expressed in doses, not recipients

    Seems an unfortunate way to communicate. For those of us who've read about it, we know that it's 2 doses per recipient. But I'm sure many people have misunderstood and believed we're talking about double the number of recipients than actually.


  • #6016
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,042 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Government has signed into pre purchase and put the money forward as part of the EU collective
    Plus, on the Pfizer side, it seems the logistics aren't quite as challenging as initially made out if it can stay refrigerated for five days.

    It looks like Moderna also can't scale up to the same level as Pfizer - I saw 1b doses in 2021 being spouted, or 500m people vaccinated globally. Now they might overcome that hurdle (although it'd be difficult), but with that in mind it makes sense to have as much as possible. As with any vaccine, it's important yes to vaccinate the most vulnerable but we do need it done more widely to protect not only people against any long-term effects but also for those who can't be vaccinated.


  • #6017
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,832 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Likely that other vaccines may be one dose. Even if not IWT enough supplies of various vaccines for all the Irish pop will be secured by the Spring.


  • #6018
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    ixoy wrote: »
    Plus, on the Pfizer side, it seems the logistics aren't quite as challenging as initially made out if it can stay refrigerated for five days.

    It looks like Moderna also can't scale up to the same level as Pfizer - I saw 1b doses in 2021 being spouted, or 500m people vaccinated globally. Now they might overcome that hurdle (although it'd be difficult), but with that in mind it makes sense to have as much as possible. As with any vaccine, it's important yes to vaccinate the most vulnerable but we do need it done more widely to protect not only people against any long-term effects but also for those who can't be vaccinated.

    Yeah the Pfizer storage issues are being amplified needlessly I feel.

    Given the size of Ireland you might need maybe 1 or 2 central storage locations at the required deep freeze.

    They can then be transported to vaccination sites as required to be stored in a normal medical freezer at I think its -5 or thereabouts. After that once out of the freezer then you've 24hrs at room temperature.

    Thats the thing of course you should look to vaccinate vulnerable first and front line but I'd personally mix in younger age groups as well, simply because as you say it would be more widely done and then again reduces the risk of overspill back into vulnerable age groups from younger age groups.


  • #6019
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,832 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Yeah the Pfizer storage issues are being amplified needlessly I feel.

    Yep should be fine as long as people are not messing round looking to reschedule appointments for their injections. Which you'd imagine they wouldn't...


  • #6020
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Yep should be fine as long as people are not messing round looking to reschedule appointments for their injections. Which you'd imagine they wouldn't...

    Thats it, when you get your appointment no taking the p1ss, set the time aside for the two doses and don't be messing around with rescheduling dates


  • #6021
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,832 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Yep should be fine as long as people are not messing round looking to reschedule appointments for their injections. Which you'd imagine they wouldn't...

    Miss your appointment, go to the back of the queue. See you in 3 months.


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  • #6022
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    Water John wrote: »
    Miss your appointment, go to the back of the queue. See you in 3 months.


    Bit harsh :D a few weeks maybe?


  • #6023
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    What positive news have we today? :)


  • #6024
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    iguana wrote: »
    I just saw on twitter that a portion of the funding for the Moderna vaccine came from a fund donated by Dolly Parton. I feel like there's a Nearly 95, percent protection from my vaccine parody song on it's way to us.


    I feel like there's a joke in there somewhere about large, glorious breasts


    I just haven't had enough coffee yet


  • #6025
    Knex*
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,477 ✭✭✭✭Knex*


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    RTE can **** off. People should remember this going into the future.

    They're a poorly run, bloated, loss generating businesses who are utilising sensationalist and negative articles and headlines to generate traffic and clicks.

    It's pretty despicable behaviour when you consider the impact they can have on the collective psyche during an already difficult time for everyone.


  • #6026
    Marhay70
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭Marhay70


    Knex* wrote: »
    They're a poorly run, bloated, loss generating businesses who are utilising sensationalist and negative articles and headlines to generate traffic and clicks.

    It's pretty despicable behaviour when you consider the impact they can have on the collective psyche during an already difficult time for everyone.

    You forgot "publicly funded", which is the most despicable aspect of all.
    Happy to say I stopped watching RTE years ago because of their blatant support for government propaganda in everything so I don't have to pull my hair out reading this shi*e every day. :)


  • #6027
    Sconsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭Sconsey


    I see J&J are kicking off a new two-dose phase 3 trial.

    I have seen some speculation that Pfizer and Moderna have now set the bar at around 90% effectiveness. There is now a lot of talk that any of the other vaccine candidates will need to report at least 85% to be considered. So it could be that J&J are worried that a single dose would not reach the 85 - 90% effective, and they want to have the two dose option as a backup.

    All speculation at this stage, and actually a really good situation if we are approaching the point where the bar is set so high.

    It makes the pending Az/Oxford announcement even more interesting. I don't know what percentage effictivness they are expecting but the pressure on them has been ramped up by the first two announcements.


  • #6028
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Sconsey wrote: »
    I see J&J are kicking off a new two-dose phase 3 trial.

    I have seen some speculation that Pfizer and Moderna have now set the bar at around 90% effectiveness.


    There was speculation on Reddit Ireland yesterday about all companies trying to one-up each other from now on with efficiency % claims

    That's grand with me, as long as those claims are true


  • #6029
    Sky King
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Sky King


    Sconsey wrote: »
    All speculation at this stage, and actually a really good situation if we are approaching the point where the bar is set so high.

    Yea it's great, and basically the opposite of what some feared would happen: A mediocre vaccine might get approved first, putting off many other potentially better candidates.


  • #6030
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,750 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    My thoughts on the second J&J trial:

    The one dose effectiveness isn't high enough based on early readouts and a two dose regimen will be needed.


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  • #6031
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    My thoughts on the second J&J trial:

    The one dose effectiveness isn't high enough based on early readouts and a two dose regimen will be needed.

    Doubtful. They wouldn't have access to any unblinded data yet. Most likely they're just trying to cover all bases in the event efficacy isn't as high as they hoped.


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