Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

mcburns07 wrote: »

It's fairly depressing that given the level of restrictions we're under now, we're no longer seeing reductions in the no. of cases.

Where you do go from here?

I suppose we can't lose sight of the fact that it was put in place to prevent the healthcare system from falling over and in that respect it's working. The issue is 500 cases can become 1000 so quickly.

We either stay in level 5 until a vaccine is rolled out or we close the schools and bounce between an open / closed society every 3 months.

The whole low restriction christmas plan is toast at this stage anyway, there's no hope of NPHET recommending an easing of restrictions when they're consistently around the 400-500 mark daily.

froog wrote: »

looks like level 5 until june unless the young people suddenly cop on which is unlikely.

ya ya i know, poor young people, they've been so good and isn't it so hard for them etc etc

Ah yes we're back to blaming the young again.

Last week everyone was full of praise, they're doing such a great job, cases down in young, incidence continuing to reduce in the young, all still happening.

This week the blame game yet again get the big stick out , last night a debate about older people, this afternoon younger people, its all age groups you know, this let's blame one group nonsense needs to be cut out

normanoffside wrote: »

There's a decline in GP referrals and less community testing so it has nothing to do with schools or community spread..

I reckon the higher positivity rate is because of a greater proportion of the tests being carried out in high risk environments and because of clusters and outbreaks- i.e. hospital and nursing home outbreaks, factory outbreaks etc.

Stop looking for cases = Lower numbers

Goldengirl wrote: »

Agree .
I remember discussing this re Dame Lane , Berlin, and yesterday we were back here again .
Totally unfair on businesses that are closed as well as others who have not met their friends in weeks .
Not to mention that the gardaí have the legislation already in place to deal with this, amicably , no arrests or extreme measures needed .
Leaving it build for a couple of weeks because that's what happens if news gets around " hey the guards are not stopping us ", is not on when numbers are not going down.
Is there a reason do you think that the gardaí were not taking more concerted action?
Are they feeling under pressure ?

I think there is a disconnect between the Gardai and the Gov. It has been widely reported that the Gardai have said that no laws were broken in the South William Street situation.

They have whacked the ball back into the Government's court - the Gardai obviously feel they do not have enough powers to enforce recommendations and guidelines and sure the laws that were passed, were never intended to be used - as stated by various gov ministers, we police by consent, softly softly will do.

It will be the same with Christmas travel..... leave it too late to do anything to clarify the situation and you are in for a hiding one way or another. No one is going to wait until two weeks before Christmas to decide if to travel home, or not. The decision has to be made for them and made now - whatever way it has to fall.

The government hasn't the balls to call it and will fudge around with suggestions, recommendations and pleas, until it is a total last minute mess.

I'd say Joe Duffy is beside himself anticipating the oncoming angerfest.

Something really strange about the fact that Prof Philip Nolan was saying that the R0 rate was well below 1 on Thursday evening last, but the numbers over the following days clearly don’t back that up.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I've a good friend who's Garda based in Dublin not in the catchment for South William Street now but basically what he's said to me all along is theres other calls that are higher priority, comes down to resources.

Yes I get that .
This needs to be front and centre of AGS and government discussions .
More gardaí needed to police restrictions or help from the army , but the optics there are not good !
Might be moot point hopefully if we get the vaccinations going .

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Stop looking for cases = Lower numbers

Yeah thats not whats going on.

HSE data & GP data all still showing reduced demand for testing services.

It was always said if there were issues in the community GPs would be the first to start sounding the alarm

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Contact tracing data and testing requests, as well as what GPs are saying, suggest that there has been no increase in cases in the slightest. Something strange is going on.

We're due a weekly report on outbreaks from the HSPC tomorrow.

That may assist, though they usually don't publish the number of actual cases coming from outbreaks.

timmyntc wrote: »

Assuming this isn't just specific to cork - what about the other 4/5ths of cases?
I'd bet more than 20% were from private houses

Clusters in Cork were from school special needs , hospital , a couple of workplaces and private homes .
A scenario replicated around the country I would say ( Cork is no different)
The point being , cases do arise from pubs and restaurants same as other areas of congregation indoors, and regulation only mitigates it .
When cases were rising in October it was the right decision to stop all areas .
Except they didn't close schools . That was a deliberate choice .
It's just a fact whether we like it or not .
Personally I would love restaurants and shops to be open , but I can see the reason why they are not.

Can the journalists ask some pertinent questions today?

1) Can we have numbers for origins of outbreaks, how many occurring in health care settings / schools etc...breakdown please.

2) Can we have breakdown of number of tests occurring per county, to enable us to have county-based positivity rating
- i reckon the way tests are carried out it is penalizing Dublin, i would estimate it has a lower positivity rate than other regions.

3) Can we live stream the upcoming NEPHET meeting to ensure transparency

Ger Roe wrote: »

I think there is a disconnect between the Gardai and the Gov. It has been widely reported that the Gardai have said that no laws were broken in the South William Street situation.

They have whacked the ball back into the Government's court - the Gardai obviously feel they do not have enough powers to enforce recommendations and guidelines and sure the laws that were passed, were never intended to be used - as stated by various gov ministers, we police by consent, softly softly will do.

It will be the same with Christmas travel..... leave it too late to do anything to clarify the situation and you are in for a hiding one way or another. No one is going to wait until two weeks before Christmas to decide if to travel home, or not. The decision has to be made for them and made now - whatever way it has to fall.

The government hasn't the balls to call it and will fudge around with suggestions, recommendations and pleas, until it is a total last minute mess.

I'd say Joe Duffy is beside himself anticipating the oncoming angerfest.

Not a fan of Joe Duffy , switch the channel at the mention of his name !
But all I am seeing now reading this is The Savage Eye representation of him ;(

Yes the government have been behind the curve on this and they need to be saying to the gardaí what do you need to make this happen and getting it done.
It's going to be here until vaccinations are well in to the community.
Can't understand why they are dragging their heels with everything.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Contact tracing data and testing requests, as well as what GPs are saying, suggest that there has been no increase in cases in the slightest. Something strange is going on.

If these are more than funerals and community but are hospital and factory related clusters the GPs would not be seeing a rise in cases , yet anyway .

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Heres the report for last week, just published today

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-19outbreaksclustersinireland/

I'm only seeing the previous week? Published on the 11th?

BringBackMick wrote: »

Can the journalists ask some pertinent questions today?

1) Can we have numbers for origins of outbreaks, how many occurring in health care settings / schools etc...breakdown please.

2) Can we have breakdown of number of tests occurring per county, to enable us to have county-based positivity rating
- i reckon the way tests are carried out it is penalizing Dublin, i would estimate it has a lower positivity rate than other regions.

3) Can we live stream the upcoming NEPHET meeting to ensure transparency

1 . Yes .
2. Maybe .
3. No way !

Are restrictions scheduled to get lifted on 1 December or 2 December? I have seen both mentioned. Thanks.