COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

hynesie08 · 16-11-2020 02:06PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Has he been very cautious re: vaccine announcements upto now? I haven't been following him much

He hasn't enjoyed being pushed on things like timeliness, but how much of that was trump hollering about pre-election vaccines for all is debatable, so, to me at least, him coming right out and saying 2 vaccines will be rolled out before the end of the year is pretty definitive..

ShineOn7 · 16-11-2020 02:08PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

He hasn't enjoyed being pushed on things like timeliness, but how much of that was trump hollering about pre-election vaccines for all is debatable, so, to me at least, him coming right out and saying 2 vaccines will be rolled out before the end of the year is pretty definitive..

Thanks for the clarity and that's very positive stuff

Klonker · 16-11-2020 02:11PM

marno21 wrote: »

95 cases of infection observed in the 30,000 trial participants. 90 were in the placebo and 5 were in the mRNA-1273 group. 11 cases of severe Covid-19 were all in the placebo group.

Excellent news. I had questioned this outfit given their operation vs others but this is an excellent result.

Fingers crossed we hear from Oxford/AZ soon too and possibly have 3 vaccines for Christmas.

Have Moderna mentioned how many of the 30,000 were giving the vaccine and how many a placebo? If its 50/50 thats still very encouraging and impressive but if if was 66/33 in favour of the vaccine that's even all the more impressive.

froog · 16-11-2020 02:12PM

great news again.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 16-11-2020 02:15PM

Klonker wrote: »

Have Moderna mentioned how many of the 30,000 were giving the vaccine and how many a placebo? If its 50/50 thats still very encouraging and impressive but if if was 66/33 in favour of the vaccine that's even all the more impressive.

The maths suggest 50/50.

90/95=94.5.

Cork2021 · 16-11-2020 02:19PM

That’s cheered me up this Monday..
ox/az possible this week too

BrianD3 · 16-11-2020 02:25PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

He'll be asked about HSE's planned rollout today by a journalist and he'll no doubt quickly change the subject

Tony CFC Holohan. "Cause for Concern".

What we're forgetting in all of this great news is the high likelihood of the HSE making an absolute balls of this

It's what they do

I am highly critical of the HSE but a vaccine rollout is something that I believe they will be able to manage. The difficult and technical work has been/will be done by the private sector and the US/EU authorities responsible for approval, we will piggy back on that. The HSE is ok at doing things which are straightforward, specific, defined and out in the open which this task should be.

Gael23 · 16-11-2020 02:36PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

He'll be asked about HSE's planned rollout today by a journalist and he'll no doubt quickly change the subject

What we're forgetting in all of this great news is the high likelihood of the HSE making an absolute balls of this

It's what they do

Pretty much a guarantee but I fail to understand what’s so hard to get right?

JPup · 16-11-2020 02:42PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

All the more reason Pfizer's price should be skyrocketing though no?

They've a proven pedigree. Moderna haven't

You need to compare Moderna's share price with BioNTech, not Pfizer. Pfizer are a huge pharma company with many established drugs on the market. It was BioNTech that produced the vaccine that Pfizer is distributing. You will see that both Moderna and BioNTech have increased in value multiple times times year.

Water John · 16-11-2020 02:46PM

Overall great news, so we largely have an end game, which is sometime in the middle of 2021. We now know any sacrafice in terms of restrictions is finite.
Our job as citizens now is to play out to the final whistle.

Deeper Blue · 16-11-2020 02:52PM

ixoy wrote: »

I await the negative spin on this news from the media.

The RTE bigwigs are probably crying into their takeaway cappuccinos as we speak

Deenie78 · 16-11-2020 02:53PM

Amazing news today, really encouraging!

This might be sad but I'd really like to get involved in the administration side of the vaccination programme, I'm an executive assistant so I'd be way down the line but think the logistics, planning, rolling out, etc. would be really interesting. Just out of interest I looked at the HSE website and there does not seem to be a mention of any roles around this kind of planning either at an administrative level or any other (though I may have interpreted some roles wrong). I would have thought that they might be getting ramped up on this but maybe they are sourcing people that are already within the HSE?

I'd agree with a few posters here that there's a good chance this could get really fecked up, but I'm really hoping I'll be pleasantly surprised!

Water John · 16-11-2020 02:54PM

Have always found Fergal Bowers to be very good and in no way dramatic, in contrast to their Crimes Correspondent.

funnydoggy · 16-11-2020 02:58PM

Best way to convince a HUGE sum of Americans to take the vaccine?

Trump taking it on air :pac:

ixoy · 16-11-2020 03:04PM

RTE did their best when reporting about this to find a negativeURL="https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1116/1178442-coronavirus-vaccine/"]link[/URL:

The head of the World Health Organization has said that a vaccine would not by itself stop the coronavirus pandemic.

There have been more than 54 million cases of Covid-19 since it broke out in China last year and more than 1.3 million people have died.

"A vaccine will complement the other tools we have, not replace them," director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said. "A vaccine on its own will not end the pandemic."

Couldn't just let people have that one article even.

Gael23 · 16-11-2020 03:05PM

Will the HSE not take the Pfizer one now?

ACitizenErased · 16-11-2020 03:07PM

ixoy wrote: »

RTE did their best when reporting about this to find a negativeURL="https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1116/1178442-coronavirus-vaccine/"]link[/URL:

Couldn't just let people have that one article even.

RTE can **** off. People should remember this going into the future.

hmmm · 16-11-2020 03:09PM

Deenie78 wrote: »

I looked at the HSE website and there does not seem to be a mention of any roles around this kind of planning either at an administrative level or any other (though I may have interpreted some roles wrong). I would have thought that they might be getting ramped up on this but maybe they are sourcing people that are already within the HSE?

There was a vaccine strategy working group only announced in the past week, presumably they will decide what roles are required?

This might be helpful:
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/government-taskforce-meeting-to-discuss-covid-19-vaccine-rollout-hse-chief-says-1034931.html

funnydoggy · 16-11-2020 03:10PM

ixoy wrote: »

RTE did their best when reporting about this to find a negativeURL="https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1116/1178442-coronavirus-vaccine/"]link[/URL:

Couldn't just let people have that one article even.

People will hopefully start to realise RTE's doom narrative and how it is not representative of reality.

Lord knows I didn't have any problem with RTE up until this pandemic.

ixoy · 16-11-2020 03:14PM

Contrast RTE's with BBC's article URL="https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54902908"]link[/URL:

When will Covid be over?
In the space of a week, the positive results from Pfizer, Moderna and Russia have transformed our chances of ending the pandemic.

Before the first results, the talk was of a vaccine that offered maybe 50% protection. Those expectations have been blown out of the water - not only are vaccines possible, they appear to be potent.

The data so far also raise hopes that the other vaccines in development will be successful too, but now as one challenge draws to an ends, another begins.

The logistical effort of actually vaccinating, potentially billions of people, around the world is gargantuan.

Some experts have claimed normality by spring, others by next winter, others still think there is a long journey ahead.

The answer will depend on how quickly countries can get this "hope in a vial" into the arms of people.

normanoffside · 16-11-2020 03:16PM

ixoy wrote: »

RTE did their best when reporting about this to find a negativeURL="https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1116/1178442-coronavirus-vaccine/"]link[/URL:

Couldn't just let people have that one article even.

RTE actually have tweeted the news of the Moderna vaccine but the Twitter headline is:

WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said 'a vaccine will complement the other tools we have, not replace them'

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1328304597040041987

leahyl · 16-11-2020 03:24PM

ixoy wrote: »

RTE did their best when reporting about this to find a negativeURL="https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1116/1178442-coronavirus-vaccine/"]link[/URL:

Couldn't just let people have that one article even.

So why are we even bothering in trying to find a vaccine?

CIARAN_BOYLE · 16-11-2020 03:29PM

ixoy wrote: »

Contrast RTE's with BBC's article URL="https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54902908"]link[/URL:

You mean the afp article copy and pasted by rte as they couldn't be bothered writing their own?

Sconsey · 16-11-2020 03:34PM

https://investors.modernatx.com/news-releases/news-release-details/modernas-covid-19-vaccine-candidate-meets-its-primary-efficacy

This first interim analysis was based on 95 cases, of which 90 cases of COVID-19 were observed in the placebo group versus 5 cases observed in the mRNA-1273 group, resulting in a point estimate of vaccine efficacy of 94.5% (p <0.0001).

A secondary endpoint analyzed severe cases of COVID-19 and included 11 severe cases (as defined in the study protocol) in this first interim analysis. All 11 cases occurred in the placebo group and none in the mRNA-1273 vaccinated group.

I know we are still looking at small sample sizes, but that second paragraph is also very promising. The implication being that even if the vaccine is not entirely effective for a person it could still be effective enough to prevent a severe case.

Russman · 16-11-2020 04:12PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Will the HSE not take the Pfizer one now?

I was actually thinking of that. Hopefully they will of course, but I could easily see a scenario where some story about "the difficult logistics mean its better for us to wait for a different vaccine that will be easier to distribute bla, bla........" was put forward.
Maybe I'm being too harsh on them.

Micky 32 · 16-11-2020 04:21PM

ixoy wrote: »

RTE did their best when reporting about this to find a negativeURL="https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1116/1178442-coronavirus-vaccine/"]link[/URL:

Couldn't just let people have that one article even.

The WHO can’t even make up their minds on how many worldwide infections there were. One minute they say up to 780 million and now it’s 54 million.

Akabusi · 16-11-2020 04:25PM

Russman wrote: »

I was actually thinking of that. Hopefully they will of course, but I could easily see a scenario where some story about "the difficult logistics mean its better for us to wait for a different vaccine that will be easier to distribute bla, bla........" was put forward.
Maybe I'm being too harsh on them.

I think the at risk groups will get whatever vaccine becomes available first no matter how difficult it is to distribute it. Anything else just wouldn't be acceptable to the public. It is a good question though for the rest of us, they may decide to wait for an easier to distribute vaccine. I'm sure that would be accepted as long as it is done before next winter.

iguana · 16-11-2020 04:29PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

The WHO can’t even make up their minds on how many worldwide infections there were. One minute they say up to 780 million and now it’s 54 million.

That's the difference between the amount of confirmed infections as opposed to the amount of probable infections based off projections of the likely IFR. The majority of people who have had Covid, have not had access to a test to confirm their infection.

Gael23 · 16-11-2020 04:33PM

Akabusi wrote: »

I think the at risk groups will get whatever vaccine becomes available first no matter how difficult it is to distribute it. Anything else just wouldn't be acceptable to the public. It is a good question though for the rest of us, they may decide to wait for an easier to distribute vaccine. I'm sure that would be accepted as long as it is done before next winter.

Well good luck to them trying to enforce restrictions when they are preventing people getting a vaccine

Akabusi · 16-11-2020 04:41PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Well good luck to them trying to enforce restrictions when they are preventing people getting a vaccine

Yes very true, my thinking is that if they have the at risk vaccinated, there will be little to no restrictions next summer anyhow.

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