Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

everlast75 · 16-11-2020 01:03PM

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

Biden was propped up by the American media big time and his only redeemable feature was he was not Trump in the eyes of many Americans, It will be interesting to see what happens and if the next president is republican how this new style echo chamber media will try to paint the new guy as the Devil when I am sure like Trump he will just be a person that wants the best for their country.

Well, i don't know about others, but that meme has convinced me!!!!

weisses · 16-11-2020 01:04PM

biko wrote: »

I guess without sources we'll never know.

You are way past spoon-feeding

ohnonotgmail · 16-11-2020 01:04PM

biko wrote: »

I guess without sources we'll never know.
You guys aren't very good at backing up your statements. Hopefully one day that will change.

happier to live in ignorance are we?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207

There have been 2,243 drone strikes in the first two years of the Trump presidency, compared with 1,878 in Mr Obama's eight years in office, according to the Bureau of Investigative Journalism, a UK-based think tank.

ohnonotgmail · 16-11-2020 01:05PM

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

Biden was propped up by the American media big time and his only redeemable feature was he was not Trump in the eyes of many Americans, It will be interesting to see what happens and if the next president is republican how this new style echo chamber media will try to paint the new guy as the Devil when I am sure like Trump he will just be a person that wants the best for their country.

Hilarious that you would use a faked picture for your meme.

The Raging Bile Duct · 16-11-2020 01:06PM

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

when I am sure like Trump he will just be a person that wants the best for their country.

How could you possibly believe this?

biko · 16-11-2020 01:06PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

happier to live in ignorance are we?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207

Biden's mentor Obama:

Obama came to office pledging to end George W Bush’s wars, he leaves office having been at war longer than any president in US history.
He is also the only president to serve two complete terms with the nation at war.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/09/america-dropped-26171-bombs-2016-obama-legacy

weisses · 16-11-2020 01:08PM

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

Biden was propped up by the American media big time and his only redeemable feature was he was not Trump in the eyes of many Americans

Exactly ... They could have elected a syphilis ridden chimpanzee and it still would have been better then Trump

biko · 16-11-2020 01:08PM

weisses wrote: »

You are way past spoon-feeding

Why do you have to be so insulting? What is wrong with you?

ohnonotgmail · 16-11-2020 01:09PM

biko wrote: »

Why do you have to be so insulting? What is wrong with you?

maybe stop posting nonsense that you know is false?

weisses · 16-11-2020 01:11PM

biko wrote: »

Biden's mentor Obama:

Having to deal with yet another war started by a republican and an economic collapse accomplished under that same republican.

He didn't do to bad I would say considering the economic state the nation was in when Trump took over and destroyed it again

Boggles · 16-11-2020 01:14PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Trump did a great job as president and your anger over him only proves it.

weisses · 16-11-2020 01:17PM

biko wrote: »

Why do you have to be so insulting? What is wrong with you?

Me insulting ?

The only thing insulting is the utter tripe you are posting and then expect others to (again) provide sources showing why your contribution can be labelled as waffle

16-11-2020 01:17PM

biko wrote: »

I think his biggest presidential achievement is minimising killing people in foreign countries.
But eternal war efforts will resume in 2021 under new management

That's not true though, arms deals increased under Trump... Do you think the bombs were used in a peaceful way by the likes of Saudi Arabia? Plus drone strike figures aren't even reported any more.

weisses · 16-11-2020 01:21PM

Deleted User wrote: »

That's not true though, arms deals increased under Trump... Do you think the bombs were used in a peaceful way by the likes of Saudi Arabia? Plus drone strike figures aren't even reported any more.

You are forgetting the MOAB

rossie1977 · 16-11-2020 01:23PM

biko wrote: »

I think his biggest presidential achievement is minimising killing people in foreign countries.
But eternal war efforts will resume in 2021 under new management

Except drone strikes and civilian deaths in middle east and Africa increased massively under Trump then the administration stopped reporting them..

https://theintercept.com/2019/10/02/trump-impeachment-civilian-casualties-war/

ohnonotgmail · 16-11-2020 01:24PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

Except drone strikes and civilian deaths in middle east and Africa increased massively under Trump then the administration stopped reporting them..

https://theintercept.com/2019/10/02/trump-impeachment-civilian-casualties-war/

That is only relevant if you are interested in facts.

astrofool · 16-11-2020 01:32PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

Except drone strikes and civilian deaths in middle east and Africa increased massively under Trump then the administration stopped reporting them..

https://theintercept.com/2019/10/02/trump-impeachment-civilian-casualties-war/

The usual scenario played out is:

People talking about information that is about a 10 second search away

Poster comes along stating that people are talking without facts (despite having posted without facts themselves)

Everyone posts easily gettable facts

Poster slinks away

biko · 16-11-2020 01:32PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

Except drone strikes and civilian deaths in middle east and Africa increased massively under Trump then the administration stopped reporting them..

https://theintercept.com/2019/10/02/trump-impeachment-civilian-casualties-war/

That's interesting, thanks.

So so far we have that Trump administration have dropped more bombs in Yemen than Obama.

Padre_Pio · 16-11-2020 01:32PM

biko wrote: »

I think his biggest presidential achievement is minimising killing people in foreign countries.
But eternal war efforts will resume in 2021 under new management

Sonics2k wrote: »

Hadn't Trump dropped more bombs and used more drones than Obama right up to the point Trumps team decided to stop reporting on it.

Trump wasn't peaceful.

biko wrote: »

I guess without sources we'll never know.
You guys aren't very good at backing up your statements. Hopefully one day that will change.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

happier to live in ignorance are we?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207

biko wrote: »

Biden's mentor Obama:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/09/america-dropped-26171-bombs-2016-obama-legacy

Can we please stop this tit-for-tat nonsense.
Trump is indefensible IMO for the sheer quantity of abuses of power, lies and political missteps.
I'm sure you'll find other presidents who are worse in one or two aspects, but there has never been an American president who is so widely reviled in his own country and the wider world.

The worst thing about modern politics is that people refuse to criticise their own side to the point of religious fervor.

Republicans should be the harshest critics of Trump, sure they're the ones keeping him in power. Democrats should be the harshest critics of Biden.

But so long as the logic is flipped, Trump and Biden can do whatever they want, so long as their supports can point to some aspect the other side has done that's worse.

It's f*cking retarded.

The Raging Bile Duct · 16-11-2020 01:34PM

biko wrote: »

I think his biggest presidential achievement is minimising killing people in foreign countries.
But eternal war efforts will resume in 2021 under new management

Absolute nonsense of the highest order. Trump has not ended any wars or completely removed troops from the Mideast. In that, he is as bad as Obama. His use of drone strikes completely outstrips Obama and he revoked an executive order by Obama requiring US intelligence officials to publish the number of civilians killed in drone strikes outside of war zones.

ohnonotgmail · 16-11-2020 01:35PM

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Can we please stop this tit-for-tat nonsense.
Trump is indefensible IMO for the sheer quantity of abuses of power, lies and political missteps.
I'm sure you'll find other presidents who are worse in one or two aspects, but there has never been an American president who is so widely reviled in his own country and the wider world.

The worst thing about modern politics is that people refuse to criticise their own side to the point of religious fervor.

Republicans should be the harshest critics of Trump, sure they're the ones keeping him in power. Democrats should be the harshest critics of Biden.

But so long as the logic is flipped, Trump and Biden can do whatever they want, so long as their supports can point to some aspect the other side has done that's worse.

It's f*cking retarded.

what is your problem with my post? be specific.

ohnonotgmail · 16-11-2020 01:35PM

biko wrote: »

That's interesting, thanks.

So so far we have that Trump administration have dropped more bombs in Yemen than Obama.

Nobody has time for your nonsense.

16-11-2020 01:38PM

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Can we please stop this tit-for-tat nonsense.
Trump is indefensible IMO for the sheer quantity of abuses of power, lies and political missteps.
I'm sure you'll find other presidents who are worse in one or two aspects, but there has never been an American president who is so widely reviled in his own country and the wider world.

The worst thing about modern politics is that people refuse to criticise their own side to the point of religious fervor.

Republicans should be the harshest critics of Trump, sure they're the ones keeping him in power. Democrats should be the harshest critics of Biden.

But so long as the logic is flipped, Trump and Biden can do whatever they want, so long as their supports can point to some aspect the other side has done that's worse.

It's f*cking retarded.

Disagree. A user posted a statement without evidence, and several users provided evidence to show that that statement was false. This was not "tit-for-tat nonsense". These responses are needed to motivate Trumpists to do a bit of research of their own so that they can see that just because Donnie tweeted this or that doesn't mean it's correct.

briany · 16-11-2020 01:38PM

Yes, drone strikes have remained very much a thing under Trump. The idea that Trump did not drag the US into any more foreign wars is a bit off base, as US presidents cannot unilaterally do this anyway. There might be extenuating circumstances where this is not true, but the procedure for declaring war usually runs through US Congress.

weisses · 16-11-2020 01:43PM

biko wrote: »

That's interesting, thanks.

So so far we have that Trump administration have dropped more bombs in Yemen than Obama.

From the link you quoted

Trump, it is worth noting, is not the only one responsible for these deaths. The wars began long before he came into office, after all. But under his watch, and with his assent, they have been waged with more brutality and less apparent regard for innocent life.

What is it you don't understand ?

robinph · 16-11-2020 01:48PM

Trump tweet stating that he never claimed the Pfizer vaccine was funded by Operation Warp Speed and his administration never had anything to do with the vaccine development incoming in 3... 2... 1...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54902908

Good news is that despite using similar system to cause the immune response, the Moderna one doesn't require -80C freezers and it will last for 30 days at -20c rather than only 5 days that the Pfizer one manages.

Timberrrrrrrr · 16-11-2020 01:54PM

biko wrote: »

I think his biggest presidential achievement is minimising killing people in foreign countries.
But eternal war efforts will resume in 2021 under new management

How do you know he did this? He ordered the reporting of drone strikes to be stopped after it was shown he had actually increased drone strikes/bombings.

Edit: I see the poster has already had his arse handed to him on a plate again so ignore the facts above.

swampgas · 16-11-2020 01:54PM

Anyone claiming to care about warmongering and the deaths of civilians, but who is unwilling to expend the tiniest effort to do some basic fact checking of what actually goes on, needs to cop themselves on.

It's pretty unpleasant to use incorrect data about the deaths of civilians as something that can be used for cheap point-scoring.

If you want to harp on about drone strikes, and not be a ar$ehole, then at least try to get your facts right.

biko · 16-11-2020 02:01PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

How do you know he did this?

By not starting new wars and trying to pull out of Afghanistan.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/13/us/politics/trump-afghanistan-troops.html

President Trump’s supporters hope he is the president to end America’s longest war.

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54060026

Mr O'Hanlon says: "Mr Trump has scaled back the presence he inherited in Afghanistan and to a limited extent in Iraq and Syria."

But, says Mr O'Hanlon: "He has only moved the needle modestly in terms of global operations and deployments, as we remain everywhere that we were on January 20, 2017 when he took office."

ohnonotgmail · 16-11-2020 02:15PM

biko wrote: »

By not starting new wars and trying to pull out of Afghanistan.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/13/us/politics/trump-afghanistan-troops.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54060026

sounds like he did a fantastic job

as we remain everywhere that we were on January 20, 2017 when he took office."

Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

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