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Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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  • #4202
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    The all or nothing approach would dive you mental all right. I've ordered a pint or two with dinner for collection a few times over the course of this. It's a nice option to have since we can't eat out.

    I've been abiding by the restrictions but it's very frustrating being threatened with even more things being taken away because it's too much hassle to actually enforce the bloody restrictions.

    This is why people are so fed up. Not because of protecting lives and stopping people dying, but because we’re being lectured like children.


  • #4203
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    The all or nothing approach would dive you mental all right. I've ordered a pint or two with dinner for collection a few times over the course of this. It's a nice option to have since we can't eat out.

    I've been abiding by the restrictions but it's very frustrating being threatened with even more things being taken away because it's too much hassle to actually enforce the bloody restrictions.

    Yeah I'd be of the same thinking as yourself, likewise on a Saturday night might order a meal from the local and get a pint with it, nice option to have and still supporting local business from home.

    The issue they want to address is drinking in the street, the Gardai already have enough powers to stop that if they wanted to. Both Dublin and Cork have the required bye laws


  • #4204
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,151 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    If they dont open pubs people will just socialise in their homes no protective measures


  • #4205
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,615 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    prunudo wrote: »
    Its nothing like war and incoming bombers. Its just people wanting to go and interact face to face with friends and family. It just so happens that a large portion of our socialising has historically been in the form of meeting up in a pubs.
    I don't think it unreasonable for people to want to get back to meeting up, whether that happens in cafes or pubs is irrelevant, that are both against guidelines at present. If take away pints are allowed, then after 8 months you can't blame people for wanting to catch up.

    I think it is unreasonable for people to want to meet up. IT'S A DEADLY PANDEMIC.
    Which part of that don't you get?

    covid.jpg


  • #4206
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    If they hadn’t stopped people from doing things like going golfing, going to visit low risk retail stores and outdoor dining then there’d be none of these so called “restriction breaking” events happening.

    Almost every single avenue has been taken away from people and they act shocked when a few people gather outside a takeaway bar to have a few drinks.

    What planet are they on?

    Well, people could do those items in level 3 and we saw scenarios like Saturday night


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  • #4207
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Drumpot wrote: »
    I understand why people want to get back to socialising, this has nothing to do with my point.

    I’ve said it already, There is nothing wrong with wanting to goto the pub or socialising. The issue is thinking this should override taking measures to subdue the spread. There is a difference between the two.

    mcburns07 wrote: »
    You could hardly call 2020 the real world at this stage. Appreciate that people love a drink. People love to do loads of things FFS, most of which is currently not possible.

    I just find the relentless pursuit of pints strange when there's so many other higher priority things on the restriction list.


    Whilst there is certainly more important things at play, people need and want a breather and because it's part of our culture and our human psyche. That cannot be overturned! It's part of western society! Especially now given we have never experienced anything like this

    I use the sentence of "not living in the real world" not as an insult, but as a factual statement! It's really not that hard to understand. This is the way it's always been in society, especially in Ireland, for centuries!

    We all see adverts on the TV, about children dying in Africa, Tsunamis leaving behind trails of destruction and ruining people's lives, animal cruelty, blind and autistic children needing care and trained assistant dogs, global warming...All adverts that ask us to give between €2-€5 a month, to help make a difference to someone's life! To help rebuild our fellow man/woman, to preserve the nature with which we live in, to help children not go hungry or die or to give them the best chance at life...

    Most people don't do that. Do you do that? If you don't, what's your rational for not? They're much more important issues than your bag of chips at the weekend or your can of Budweiser or your pint of Guinness...

    Once you look in the mirror, you'll have the answer as to why people are saying, "**** this"


  • #4208
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,117 ✭✭✭prunudo


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    If they hadn’t stopped people from doing things like going golfing, going to visit low risk retail stores and outdoor dining then there’d be none of these so called “restriction breaking” events happening.

    Almost every single avenue has been taken away from people and they act shocked when a few people gather outside a takeaway bar to have a few drinks.

    What planet are they on?

    The distance restrictions play a part here as well, especially in built up areas, you're encouraged more people to congregate in a smaller space, makes no sense. Its like they announce guidelines without thinking of the knock on consequences.
    Case in point, gyms are closed so people took up sea swimming, now the coast guard are getting called out more regularly as the swimmers are getting caught out by changing conditions compared to the summer months.


  • #4209
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Derek Zoolander wrote: »
    Did you actually read it...

    Sample size of 220 out of 50million and a multi-organ impairment was significantly associated with risk of prior COVID-19 hospitalisation (p<0.05).?

    Did you Mr Zoolander? If you did fair play but I don't think you understand it.


  • #4210
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    I think it is unreasonable for people to want to meet up. IT'S A DEADLY PANDEMIC.
    Which part of that don't you get?

    covid.jpg

    There’s a big difference between how deadly we thought it was back in March vs how deadly we know it is right now. That’s being realistic by the way, not downplaying (which I’ll likely be accused of). Almost 60 million people die regularly every year, COVID accounts for a tiny percentage of that.


  • #4211
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,837 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    If they hadn’t stopped people from doing things like going golfing, going to visit low risk retail stores and outdoor dining then there’d be none of these so called “restriction breaking” events happening.

    Almost every single avenue has been taken away from people and they act shocked when a few people gather outside a takeaway bar to have a few drinks.

    What planet are they on?

    What is ‘low risk retail’ ? Who assess what is low risk, what isn’t ? Size of the shop ? We haven’t the capacity to audit shops and give them a green card type deal... if we just say... ‘comply with xyx’. The ones who don’t and don’t give a fûck will open anyway.

    We have also seen what certain golfers think of this pandemic.

    It’s a pandemic, it’s killing people, what planet are restriction breakers on ?


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  • #4212
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,191 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    MOR316 wrote: »
    Was a play on a quote from The Simpsons...

    https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSimpsons/comments/3eloq6/you_know_fox_turned_into_a_hardcore_sex_channel/

    Ah, fair enough


  • #4213
    jester77
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,264 ✭✭✭✭jester77


    A very clever German government video to encourage people to stay home, if you don't understand German, turn on the autogenerated English subs.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krJfMyW87vU


  • #4214
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Seamai wrote: »
    I don't think many Irish people have ever had experience of anything that is remotely draconian, lots of rules are never enforced here and are flouted right, left and centre with little consequence. I suggest taking a closer look at what has been going in in some of our European neighbours of the last 8 or 9 months if you want to know the meaning of the word.


    Thanks for that!
    Can I also make a suggestion?

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115309123&postcount=4213

    I'd suggest taking a closer look at this thread and what I post before lecturing me :)

    Thank you,
    MOR316


  • #4215
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,615 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    There’s a big difference between how deadly we thought it was back in March vs how deadly we know it is right now. That’s being realistic by the way, not downplaying (which I’ll likely be accused of). Almost 60 million people die regularly every year, COVID accounts for a tiny percentage of that.

    So lets let it rip through society? Take the DUP attitude and let it rip. How long before the DUP are asking the Republic to take some of the North's hospital cases because they can't cope? Incredibly stupid attitude to this.


  • #4216
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    So lets let it rip through society? Take the DUP attitude and let it rip. How long before the DUP are asking the Republic to take some of the North's hospital cases because they can't cope? Incredibly stupid attitude to this.

    Who said that? I think you’re mixing me up with someone else, cheers.


  • #4217
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Strumms wrote: »
    What is ‘low risk retail’ ?

    When you go shopping without the wife, heh? ;)

    Isn't that right, lads? :D


  • #4218
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,191 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    If they hadn’t stopped people from doing things like going golfing, going to visit low risk retail stores and outdoor dining then there’d be none of these so called “restriction breaking” events happening.

    Almost every single avenue has been taken away from people and they act shocked when a few people gather outside a takeaway bar to have a few drinks.

    What planet are they on?

    I don't think it would have eliminated it but do think there needs to be consideration from NPHET that stopping relatively low risk activities can and does inevitably lead to people doing higher risk activities like house parties. There's theory and what happens in practice and reality. Measures need to consider both to be sustainable and realistic.


  • #4219
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Strumms wrote: »
    What is ‘low risk retail’ ? Who assess what is low risk, what isn’t ? Size of the shop ? We haven’t the capacity to audit shops and give them a green card type deal... if we just say... ‘comply with xyx’. The ones who don’t and don’t give a fûck will open anyway.

    We have also seen what certain golfers think of this pandemic.

    It’s a pandemic, it’s killing people, what planet are restriction breakers on ?

    You disagree with people living with the virus, colour me shocked.


  • #4220
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,117 ✭✭✭prunudo


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    I think it is unreasonable for people to want to meet up. IT'S A DEADLY PANDEMIC.
    Which part of that don't you get?

    covid.jpg

    Why do you call it a deadly pandemic but share a graph of case numbers rather than deaths. It is not deadly virus we were led to believe back in March. The vast vast majority over come it.
    The fact is the people drinking on the street are doing so within the guidelines. We are allowed meet someone from 1 other household outdoors and they are allowed serve takeaway pints.


  • #4221
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    MOR316 wrote: »
    Whilst there is certainly more important things at play, people need and want a breather and because it's part of our culture and our human psyche. That cannot be overturned! It's part of western society! Especially now given we have never experienced anything like this

    I use the sentence of "not living in the real world" not as an insult, but as a factual statement! It's really not that hard to understand. This is the way it's always been in society, especially in Ireland, for centuries!

    We all see adverts on the TV, about children dying in Africa, Tsunamis leaving behind trails of destruction and ruining people's lives, animal cruelty, blind and autistic children needing care and trained assistant dogs, global warming...All adverts that ask us to give between €2-€5 a month, to help make a difference to someone's life! To help rebuild our fellow man/woman, to preserve the nature with which we live in, to help children not go hungry or die or to give them the best chance at life...

    Most people don't do that. Do you do that? If you don't, what's your rational for not? They're much more important issues than your bag of chips at the weekend or your can of Budweiser or your pint of Guinness...

    Once you look in the mirror, you'll have the answer as to why people are saying, "**** this"

    Complain away about missing out on things, this is not what I am giving out about. I am not arguing that it’s wrong for people to be fed up. I am not saying there is anything at all wrong with people being desperate for things to go back to normal or even just wanting to be able to go back to pubs. I want to go back to playing tennis and going to the cinema. I find at times the walls are closing in and while I understand why we have these restrictions it doesn’t make it much easier. But, in the absence of a fully proven alternative, I believe these draconian Measurses are necessary and a more prudent approach is best for the time being.

    This too shall pass.


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  • #4222
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    s1ippy wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/skydavidblevins/status/1328079938654773249?s=20

    Do we really think cases are so different in this part of Ireland?

    That's a lot of cases from one school!


  • #4223
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,615 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    prunudo wrote: »
    Why do you call it a deadly pandemic but share a graph of case numbers rather than deaths. It is not deadly virus we were led to believe back in March. The vast vast majority over come it.
    The fact is the people drinking on the street are doing so within the guidelines. We are allowed meet someone from 1 other household outdoors and they are allowed serve takeaway pints.

    So in other words, we should let it rip through the population? At what stage do you reckon we should start denying people hospital treatment?


  • #4224
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,837 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    You disagree with people living with the virus, colour me shocked.

    No, colour you clueless.

    We live with the virus. That means adapting our behaviors to ensure the health, wellbeing and safety of ourselves and others. Doing without unnecessary things, is prudent and proper.


  • #4225
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Strumms wrote: »
    No, colour you clueless.

    We live with the virus. That means adapting our behaviors to ensure the health, wellbeing and safety of ourselves and others. Doing without unnecessary things, is prudent and proper.
    We're not living with sweet f*ck all, we're all sitting at home and the majority of things are closed. Not sure what your definition of 'living' is, but that certainly isn't the majority's.


  • #4226
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Drumpot wrote: »
    Complain away about missing out on things, this is not what I am giving out about. I am not arguing that it’s wrong for people to be fed up. I am not saying there is anything at all wrong with people being desperate for things to go back to normal or even just wanting to be able to go back to pubs. I want to go back to playing tennis and going to the cinema. I find at times the walls are closing in and while I understand why we have these restrictions it doesn’t make it much easier. But, in the absence of a fully proven alternative, I believe these draconian Measurses are necessary and a more prudent approach is best for the time being.

    This too shall pass.

    Disagree.

    As I have stated numerous times in previous COVID threads, I love going for walks along the coast in Dublin and Wicklow. I go and buy small cans of beer, have a sit down somewhere and just embrace the sea air.

    You play Tennis you say? I'm sure you love going and practicing your serve, backhand etc. Be it with a machine who launches the balls or with someone else, more than 2 metres away from you.

    There is literally no explanation, no sense and no reason as to why either of us currently can't do those things. None of those things present a risk at all! Stopping us from doing them is not necessary at all


  • #4227
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Strumms wrote: »
    No, colour you clueless..

    Ay up, Shakespeare has logged in


  • #4228
    xabi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,031 ✭✭✭xabi


    Moderna suggesting that their vaccine is 95% effective


  • #4229
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    Hard to believe people are still downplaying this thing with health systems collapsing all over the world and over a million people dead. Just cause they can't go for a pint.


  • #4230
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Moderna suggesting 94.5% effectiveness, wow.


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  • #4231
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭MOR316


    froog wrote: »
    Hard to believe people are still downplaying this thing with health systems collapsing all over the world and over a million people dead. Just cause they can't go for a pint.

    I have literally seen no one downplaying it at all.

    I've seen people not agreeing with certain restrictions.

    Where have people downplayed the virus?


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