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Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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  • #4172
    mcburns07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,405 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    I can't believe this country's obsession with drink and pubs.
    While it's sad that pubs are peoples livelihoods, they are petri dishes for Covid19. That is how the cookie crumbles.
    The pandemic is too serious to open pubs before the vaccine is administered.
    Opening the pubs will add hundreds more to the casualty and death list of Covid19.

    This plus things like "it'll drive people to socialise in private homes instead"

    The fact that drink and socialising are so intrinsically linked that one is almost impossible without the other is sad.


  • #4173
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭MOR316


    The last few posts sum up exactly what I've been saying all along, yet it's denied when I say it :D

    The penny finally dropping


  • #4174
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    mcburns07 wrote: »
    This plus things like "it'll drive people to socialise in private homes instead"

    The fact that drink and socialising are so intrinsically linked that one is almost impossible without the other is sad.

    Welcome to Ireland, and every other European country


  • #4175
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    Opening the pubs will add hundreds more to the casualty and death list of Covid19.

    How could you possibly know that?


  • #4176
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,117 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Its nothing like war and incoming bombers. Its just people wanting to go and interact face to face with friends and family. It just so happens that a large portion of our socialising has historically been in the form of meeting up in a pubs.
    I don't think it unreasonable for people to want to get back to meeting up, whether that happens in cafes or pubs is irrelevant, that are both against guidelines at present. If take away pints are allowed, then after 8 months you can't blame people for wanting to catch up.


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  • #4177
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭MOR316


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Welcome to Ireland, and every other European country

    They don't live in the real world :D

    I'm sat laughing at the tone of sheer and utter disbelief and disgust of those posts :D


  • #4178
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    I'd be far more interested in getting travel restrictions eased than in going to pubs/restaurants

    Pubs/restaurants are huge employers and for many Christmas time is crucial

    If they are closed at Christmas then many won't reopen ever again

    That's reality


  • #4179
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    MOR316 wrote: »
    They don't live in the real world :D

    I'm sat laughing at the tone of sheer and utter disbelief and disgust of those posts :D

    You’re in the wrong country so bud


  • #4180
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭MOR316


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    You’re in the wrong country so bud

    Huh?

    I'm agreeing with you :D


  • #4181
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,881 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Precis of MM RedFM interview here:
    https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/health/takeaway-pints-sale-end-ireland-19286837
    On the issue of outdoor drinking on city streets - and the sale of takeaway pints and drinks from pubs - the Fianna Fail leader said it was now a very urgent concern.

    "We are going to review it, we are going to take a very serious view of this, I will consult with the Justice Minister and the Gardai and we will deal with it," he said.


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  • #4182
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭MOR316


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    I'd be far more interested in getting travel restrictions eased than in going to pubs/restaurants

    Pubs/restaurants are huge employers and for many Christmas time is crucial

    If they are closed at Christmas then many won't reopen ever again

    That's reality

    Travel restrictions will be eased, one way or another.

    If they're eased, great.
    If they're not, they're going to be broken


  • #4183
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Precis of MM RedFM interview here:
    https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/health/takeaway-pints-sale-end-ireland-19286837

    Ireland has become so draconian overnight, I hardly noticed


  • #4184
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    AdamD wrote: »
    The most bizarre fascination seems to be making crap comparisons between pandemics and wars.
    prunudo wrote: »
    Its nothing like war and incoming bombers. Its just people wanting to go a interact face to face with friends and family. It just so happens that a large portion of our socialising has historically been in the form of meeting up in a pubs.
    I don't think it unreasonable for people to want to get back to meeting up, whether that happens in cafes or pubs is irrelevant, that are both against guidelines at present. If take away pints are allowed, then after 8 months you can't blame people for wanting to catch up.

    People are getting sick and dieing. Do you understand that? Do you understand the damage it’s causing?

    To try and somehow shift the narrative from the actual damage done by the virus to some past time that you miss would suggest you don’t really understand the gravity of what’s going on right now. This is why people talk of war, because you appear to show a shallow understanding of why it’s important to take drastic steps and curb social interactions that are not immediately important right now.

    It’s not about “blaming people for wanting to catch up or go to the pub”. There is nothing wrong with wanting these things. There is however something wrong with thinking that the fulfilment of this desire should over ride our efforts to contain the virus.


  • #4185
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    MOR316 wrote: »
    Travel restrictions will be eased, one way or another.

    If they're eased, great.
    If they're not, they're going to be broken

    Yes I think you're right there

    Still I'd prefer them to be eased rather than broken


  • #4186
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Precis of MM RedFM interview here:
    https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/health/takeaway-pints-sale-end-ireland-19286837

    Yeah they'll do a review and then do nothing about the issue


  • #4187
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Drumpot wrote: »
    People are getting sick and dieing. Do you understand that? Do you understand the damage it’s causing?

    To try and somehow shift the narrative from the actual damage done by the virus to some past time that you miss would suggest you don’t really understand the gravity of what’s going on right now. This is why people talk of war, because you appear to show a shallow understanding of why it’s important to take drastic steps and curb social interactions that are not immediately important right now.

    It’s not about “blaming people for wanting to catch up or go to the pub”. There is nothing wrong with wanting these things. There is however something wrong with thinking that the fulfilment of this desire should over ride our efforts to contain the virus.

    Or y'know, the poster you quoted was just giving an explanation as to why people need/want/behave in such a way, for those who have no understanding as to how the human mind works.

    Like you


  • #4188
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Precis of MM RedFM interview here:
    https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/health/takeaway-pints-sale-end-ireland-19286837

    Talk about an over reaction.

    It's quite simple, tell the Gardai to enforce existing bye laws in certian areas that bans drinking in public and existing public order legislation , problem solved.

    If someone wants to have a few pints delivered with their takeaway meal then let them. Handful of places near me doing takeaway but there's no drinking on the street going on, people picking up a pint with their meal and off home.

    The weather isn't exactly conductive to drinking in the street


  • #4189
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,191 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    I'd be far more interested in getting travel restrictions eased than in going to pubs/restaurants

    Pubs/restaurants are huge employers and for many Christmas time is crucial

    If they are closed at Christmas then many won't reopen ever again

    That's reality

    A lot of the pub's staff are getting PUP and pubs getting supports as well, obviously not enough but at least there's some support. It's a tricky balance but seems government and NPHET want them to open if safe to do so.

    Closures will be very tough and really feel for pub owners and staff especially family owned ones but I think covid19 has accelerated things which may have happened anyway in longer term with combination of less people living in rural areas, younger people more likely to predrink than drink in pubs, chain pubs like Whetherspoons competing etc. That said hopefully with supports and being able to open, as many pubs as possible can remain open.


  • #4190
    Derek Zoolander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Derek Zoolander


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    I don't know why this is glossed over. I'm starting to think it'll have implications for the health service for years to come.
    This should really be factored into decision making more imho. It's hard enough to get an MRI when there is something noticeably wrong with you so I'd imagine it's virtually impossible that long covid sufferers would be sent for one in any significant numbers. It's a case of see no evil hear no evil.

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.14.20212555v1.full.pdf

    https://twitter.com/TheSeeker268/status/1318275735748894720?s=20

    Did you actually read it...

    Sample size of 220 out of 50million and a multi-organ impairment was significantly associated with risk of prior COVID-19 hospitalisation (p<0.05).?


  • #4191
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Eod100 wrote: »
    A lot of the pub's staff are getting PUP and pubs getting supports as well, obviously not enough but at least there's some support. It's a tricky balance but seems government and NPHET want them to open if safe to do so.

    Closures will be very tough and really feel for pub owners and staff especially family owned ones but I think covid19 has accelerated things which may have happened anyway in longer term with combination of less people living in rural areas, younger people more likely to predrink than drink in pubs, chain pubs like Whetherspoons competing etc. That said hopefully with supports and being able to open, as many pubs as possible can remain open.

    I genuinely believe NPHET and Tony Holohan don't want them open.

    I'm surprised they've even allowed shops to be open


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  • #4192
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,191 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    MOR316 wrote: »
    Ireland has become so draconian overnight, I hardly noticed

    I think people should look at actual draconian countries before bandying it about tbh. Reality is takeway pints were meant to be drank away from premises and not for large groups to congregate outside which defeats the purpose.


  • #4193
    Golfman64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 314 ✭✭Golfman64


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Precis of MM RedFM interview here:
    https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/health/takeaway-pints-sale-end-ireland-19286837

    Simply unbelievable, yet again. Schools open with hundreds congregating daily, greater than 50% of cases in hospital acquired in hospital, illogical restriction decisions such as closing golf courses and tennis courts pushing more people in already crowded parks and yet the focus is takeaway pints on the basis of crowds gathering outdoors in a few very specific locations (which could easily be policed as opposed to punishing every pub owner even further) and multiple members of Nphet advising against any non essential travel home for Christmas despite an EU wide agreed travel policy having been implemented with appropriate isolation and testing criteria documented.

    If you want Buy-in to restrictions and support from smart, logical people then you need to apply logic and rational to what you do.


  • #4194
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    MOR316 wrote: »
    Or y'know, the poster you quoted was just giving an explanation as to why people need/want/behave in such a way, for those who have no understanding as to how the human mind works.

    Like you

    I understand why people want to get back to socialising, this has nothing to do with my point.

    I’ve said it already, There is nothing wrong with wanting to goto the pub or socialising. The issue is thinking this should override taking measures to subdue the spread. There is a difference between the two.


  • #4195
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Eod100 wrote: »
    A lot of the pub's staff are getting PUP and pubs getting supports as well, obviously not enough but at least there's some support. It's a tricky balance but seems government and NPHET want them to open if safe to do so.

    Closures will be very tough and really feel for pub owners and staff especially family owned ones but I think covid19 has accelerated things which may have happened anyway in longer term with combination of less people living in rural areas, younger people more likely to predrink than drink in pubs, chain pubs like Whetherspoons competing etc. That said hopefully with supports and being able to open, as many pubs as possible can remain open.

    Spot on

    Still the Christmas season usually made up for the next 2 months of poor trading

    Some pubs have had 3 weeks of trading since March and in Dublin none

    They had the expense of getting in stock only to be told they won't reopen

    Very hard to keep going


  • #4196
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Eod100 wrote: »
    I think people should look at actual draconian countries before bandying it about tbh. Reality is takeway pints were meant to be drank away from premises and not for large groups to congregate outside which defeats the purpose.

    Was a play on a quote from The Simpsons...

    https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSimpsons/comments/3eloq6/you_know_fox_turned_into_a_hardcore_sex_channel/


  • #4197
    mcburns07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,405 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    MOR316 wrote: »
    They don't live in the real world :D

    I'm sat laughing at the tone of sheer and utter disbelief and disgust of those posts :D

    You could hardly call 2020 the real world at this stage. Appreciate that people love a drink. People love to do loads of things FFS, most of which is currently not possible.

    I just find the relentless pursuit of pints strange when there's so many other higher priority things on the restriction list.


  • #4198
    Seamai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    MOR316 wrote: »
    Ireland has become so draconian overnight, I hardly noticed

    I don't think many Irish people have ever had experience of anything that is remotely draconian, lots of rules are never enforced here and are flouted right, left and centre with little consequence. I suggest taking a closer look at what has been going in in some of our European neighbours of the last 8 or 9 months if you want to know the meaning of the word.


  • #4199
    [Deleted User]
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    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Precis of MM RedFM interview here:
    https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/health/takeaway-pints-sale-end-ireland-19286837

    So the government are going to ban another outdoors activity, pushing people indoors. Some real heads-up decision making


  • #4200
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,837 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    alexonhisown wrote: »
    One of the problems with only allowing pubs and restaurants to open for 2 weeks in december will be getting some workers to come off the PUP, especially if they are on €350. Afaik they wont be able to apply for PUP again after the end of dec, unless the government extend the date for applications.
    If i was on PUP of €350, no way would i come off it for 2 weeks to go on to €203 afterwards.

    Great point, also you might as well have your PUP, your health, as opposed to potentially throwing away both, so some fella or people can be sat in the comfort of their living room watching the euros roll in on their phone app, safe, distanced, while you are running around risking your health.

    If they want to sack you, who in their right fûcking mind is looking for a job, in a pub at Christmas in the middle of a fûckin pandemic, ? Nobody !


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  • #4201
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    If they hadn’t stopped people from doing things like going golfing, going to visit low risk retail stores and outdoor dining then there’d be none of these so called “restriction breaking” events happening.

    Almost every single avenue has been taken away from people and they act shocked when a few people gather outside a takeaway bar to have a few drinks.

    What planet are they on?


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