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Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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  • #4142
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Talk of a 2 week window before Christmas with pubs and restaurants open https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40082945.html?type=amp&__twitter_impression=true

    All well and good, most of us know by now that we're probably going to see some mix of 2 and 3, but opening for 2 weeks and then closing again wont be worth it for the majority, costs of reopening to be closed again shortly after, they probably won't bother.

    That goes for any sector by the way not just pubs, can't imagine any business seeing it worth their while.


  • #4143
    harr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭harr


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    All well and good, most of us know by now that we're probably going to see some mix of 2 and 3, but opening for 2 weeks and then closing again wont be worth it for the majority, costs of reopening to be closed again shortly after, they probably won't bother.

    That goes for any sector by the way not just pubs, can't imagine any business seeing it worth their while.

    Exactly this , I know a few people who work in the hotel industry and they have said it would be pointless opening up for a week or two and then have to close again. Surprisingly they have a good number of bookings for January and February and are hoping for a prolonged level 2 so that can reopen.
    Lots of small businesses will close permanently if they remain closed in December, for a lot Christmas is the last chance of saving their businesses.


  • #4144
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,117 ✭✭✭prunudo


    harr wrote: »
    Needs to be level 5 up to mid December and level 2 for a month. Level 3 not much different than level 5 for a lot of people.
    Having split levels just confuses people and no one will adhere to a level 5 or level 3 lockdown over the Christmas.

    But sure you say it yourself, not much difference between level 3 and 5. So why not scrap the 5km limit, open retail, hairdressing and ease the household restrictions from Dec 1st.
    I think the vast majority would be happy with that and be sensible enough to continue being cautious.


  • #4145
    alexonhisown
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭alexonhisown


    One of the problems with only allowing pubs and restaurants to open for 2 weeks in december will be getting some workers to come off the PUP, especially if they are on €350. Afaik they wont be able to apply for PUP again after the end of dec, unless the government extend the date for applications.
    If i was on PUP of €350, no way would i come off it for 2 weeks to go on to €203 afterwards.


  • #4146
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,188 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    That’s all well and good but two weeks Is pointless. The whole month of December is what the hospitality sector needs. They’d take that with the month of January off as that’s nowhere near profitable any year don’t mind this year.

    Vintners group have said pretty much the opposite.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1114/1178163-irish-pubs-covid/


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  • #4147
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,439 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Vintners group have said pretty much the opposite.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1114/1178163-irish-pubs-covid/

    That article says two weeks theres no point, ad they’re right. No point in just opening for 2 weeks


  • #4148
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    That's very weird from the vintners because the dog on the street knows January is a horrible quiet month for pub trade.


  • #4149
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,189 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    s1ippy wrote: »
    That's very weird from the vintners because the dog on the street knows January is a horrible quiet month for pub trade.

    I don't imagine "Dry January" is going to be a thing this year though.


  • #4150
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,188 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    That article says two weeks theres no point, ad they’re right. No point in just opening for 2 weeks

    They don't want to be closed in January either though so have to operate under the guidelines they're given. Not sure what else they can do.


  • #4151
    ShyMets
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭ShyMets


    s1ippy wrote: »
    That's very weird from the vintners because the dog on the street knows January is a horrible quiet month for pub trade.

    When I was leaving my Father's yesterday I bumped into his next door neighbour who is a bar manager for a well know pub in Dublin City centre.

    We chatted briefly and I mentioned opening for two weeks. He said not a chance. He explained that with the costs involved in opening and then shutting in such a short period of time he would at best break even and more then likely lose money.

    He would open for the full month of December if allowed but would need at least a weeks notice to be ready for the 1st week in December. As of yet they've had no indication either way


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  • #4152
    fits
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    Can’t see the pubs opening until April.


  • #4153
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,188 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Leilani Proud Hockey wrote: »
    What planet do these people live on. God above.

    One where there's a highly infectious disease and a vaccine on the horizon, presumably. Aim now is to ensure as much people as possible to survive to get a vaccine and minimise the number of people getting sick and dying between now and then.


  • #4154
    prunudo
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    fits wrote: »
    Can’t see the pubs opening until April.

    It really depends how the numbers go, food pubs may be allowed but I can't see normal pubs being open till after at least St. Patricks day either.


  • #4155
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    s1ippy wrote: »
    That's very weird from the vintners because the dog on the street knows January is a horrible quiet month for pub trade.

    A weird statement, how so ?

    Applies to any business really, the cost of reopening for 2 weeks just wouldn't be worth it. Wouldn't make business sense


  • #4156
    leahyl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,430 ✭✭✭✭leahyl


    MM on Cork radio at the moment - I'd say they are gonna stop pubs selling takeaway alcohol pretty soon the way he's talking.


  • #4157
    lemonTrees
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 105 ✭✭lemonTrees


    Talk of pub openings will be killed off in a week or so when it becomes obvious the present level of restrictions aren't working as expected.


  • #4158
    ShyMets
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭ShyMets


    leahyl wrote: »
    MM on Cork radio at the moment - I'd say they are gonna stop pubs selling takeaway alcohol pretty soon the way he's talking.

    It wouldn't surprise me but it will be counter productive. All it will do is drive people back in doors to socialise


  • #4159
    bush
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭bush


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    That article says two weeks theres no point, ad they’re right. No point in just opening for 2 weeks

    Exactly. Why bother opening for 2 weeks just to throw stock out at the end of the 2 weeks. It's not worth it and it's insulting to those businesses and staff. Open and open for good.


  • #4160
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,188 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    leahyl wrote: »
    MM on Cork radio at the moment - I'd say they are gonna stop pubs selling takeaway alcohol pretty soon the way he's talking.

    96 or Red fm?


  • #4161
    leahyl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,430 ✭✭✭✭leahyl


    Lads, this year wha?! :pac: Please let us get back to some normality next year, cos this year is pretty much gone :(


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  • #4162
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Eod100 wrote: »
    96 or Red fm?

    Neither from what I can see went looking to listen to it myself, more so quotes from an Echo article.

    Essentially going to ask the minister for justice about tighting up in this area. Honestly don't know what they can tighten up on, you'd need to revamp existing licensing laws (which should have been done ages ago).

    Funny thing is we're what 4 weeks into this and the legislation that was announced about a week before level 5 for Gardai to break up house parties isn't even in play yet, seems to have dropped off the radar completely now and we're back to moaning about takeaway pints. A rehash of the summers argument


  • #4163
    leahyl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,430 ✭✭✭✭leahyl


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Neither from what I can see went looking to listen to it myself, more so quotes from an Echo article.

    Essentially going to ask the minister for justice about tighting up in this area. Honestly don't know what they can tighten up on, you'd need to revamp existing licensing laws (which should have been done ages ago).

    Funny thing is were what 4 weeks into this and the legislation that was announced about a week before level 5 for Gardai to break up house parties isn't even in play yet, seems to have dropped off the radar completely now and we're back to moaning about takeaway pints. A rehash of the summers argument

    He was just on Red FM about 10 minutes ago


  • #4164
    ax530
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 493 ✭✭ax530


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    A weird statement, how so ?

    Applies to any business really, the cost of reopening for 2 weeks just wouldn't be worth it. Wouldn't make business sense
    the cooling & gas systems pubs have are not designed to turn off and on and following a closure lines must be cleaned ect. No way would business work for 2 weeks opening for pubs which just server drink. Perhaps restaurants could offer bottled drink.


  • #4165
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,188 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Neither from what I can see went looking to listen to it myself, more so quotes from an Echo article.

    Essentially going to ask the minister for justice about tighting up in this area. Honestly don't know what they can tighten up on, you'd need to revamp existing licensing laws (which should have been done ages ago).

    Funny thing is we're what 4 weeks into this and the legislation that was announced about a week before level 5 for Gardai to break up house parties isn't even in play yet, seems to have dropped off the radar completely now and we're back to moaning about takeaway pints. A rehash of the summers argument

    Caught a bit on red fm news bulletin so might have been on for an interview. I guess it comes down to the optics and politics of it. Generally people at house parties probably have the cop on not to be posting it on social media, people out on the streets more obvious and gets more attention so politicians will be pressured into doing something.

    Didn't realise laws on house parties hadn;t even been implemented yet. Seem to be great at talking about measures instead of actually implementing them.


  • #4166
    KrustyUCC
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    I couldn't see them stopping pubs etc between Christmas and New Years so they would get three weeks out of it anyway


  • #4167
    10000maniacs
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    I can't believe this country's obsession with drink and pubs.
    While it's sad that pubs are peoples livelihoods, they are petri dishes for Covid19. That is how the cookie crumbles.
    The pandemic is too serious to open pubs before the vaccine is administered.
    Opening the pubs will add hundreds more to the casualty and death list of Covid19.


  • #4168
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    I can't believe this country's obsession with drink and pubs.
    While it's sad that pubs are peoples livelihoods, they are petri dishes for Covid19. That is how the cookie crumbles.
    The pandemic is too serious to open pubs before the vaccine is administered.
    Opening the pubs will add hundreds more to the casualty and death list of Covid19.

    Same thing was going through my mind earlier, seem to be more interested in the pub than in getting people home for xmas


  • #4169
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    I don't know why this is glossed over. I'm starting to think it'll have implications for the health service for years to come.
    This should really be factored into decision making more imho. It's hard enough to get an MRI when there is something noticeably wrong with you so I'd imagine it's virtually impossible that long covid sufferers would be sent for one in any significant numbers. It's a case of see no evil hear no evil.

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.14.20212555v1.full.pdf

    https://twitter.com/TheSeeker268/status/1318275735748894720?s=20
    In a young, low-risk population with ongoing symptoms, almost 70% of
    individuals have impairment in one or more organs four months after initial symptoms of
    SARS-CoV-2 infection.     There are implications not only for burden of long COVID but also
    public health approaches which have assumed low risk in young people with no
    comorbidities.

    Between April and September 2020, 201 individuals (mean age 44 (SD 11.0)
    years, 70% female, 87% white, 31% healthcare workers) completed assessments following
    SARS-CoV-2 infection (median 140, IQR 105-160 days after initial symptoms). The
    prevalence of pre-existing conditions (obesity: 20%, hypertension: 6%; diabetes: 2%; heart
    disease: 4%) was low, and only 18% of individuals had been hospitalised with COVID-19.
    Fatigue (98%), muscle aches (88%), breathlessness (87%), and headaches (83%) were the
    most frequently reported symptoms. Ongoing cardiorespiratory (92%) and gastrointestinal
    (73%) symptoms were common, and 42% of individuals had ten or more symptoms.
    There was evidence of mild organ impairment in heart (32%), lungs (33%), kidneys (12%),
    liver (10%), pancreas (17%), and spleen (6%). Single (66%) and multi-organ (25%)
    impairment was observed, and was significantly associated with risk of prior COVID-19
    hospitalisation (p<0.05).


  • #4170
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    I can't believe this country's obsession with drink and pubs.
    While it's sad that pubs are peoples livelihoods, they are petri dishes for Covid19. That is how the cookie crumbles.
    The pandemic is too serious to open pubs before the vaccine is administered.
    Opening the pubs will add hundreds more to the casualty and death list of Covid19.

    100% spot on.

    This thread in particular has shown how people will bend a narrative to suit their preferred life proclivities.

    “It’s about the economy , children , mental Heath etc”. Countries and their populations have been involved in far more horrific wars and have recovered. Children will be fine, I’d say their parents are projecting more anxieties onto children then anything else. My children have been fine, regressed a bit but that’s to be expected.

    I think some people just can’t fathom what’s going on. It’s a virus , it spreads by human contact. The more people who meet in groups, the more opportunities it has to spread. It really is that simple, but people over complicate it with subjective sentiments that are reasonable but relatively irrelevant during a crisis.

    Can you imagine during a war if you had people complaining about governments for telling them to keep their lights off at night so bombers don’t know where to bomb. This is comparable with this fascination some have with pubs, but it’s a popular fascination so it goes relatively unchallenged.


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  • #4171
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    Drumpot wrote: »
    100% spot on.

    This thread in particular has shown how people will bend a narrative to suit their preferred life proclivities.

    “It’s about the economy , children , mental Heath etc”. Countries and their populations have been involved in far more horrific wars and have recovered. Children will be fine, I’d say their parents are projecting more anxieties onto children then anything else. My children have been fine, regressed a bit but that’s to be expected.

    I think some people just can’t fathom what’s going on. It’s a virus , it spreads by human contact. The more people who meet in groups, the more opportunities it has to spread. It really is that simple, but people over complicate it with subjective sentiments that are reasonable but relatively irrelevant during a crisis.

    Can you imagine during a war if you had people complaining about governments for telling them to keep their lights off at night so bombers don’t know where to bomb. This is comparable with this fascination some have with pubs, but it’s a popular fascination so it goes relatively unchallenged.
    The most bizarre fascination seems to be making crap comparisons between pandemics and wars.


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