Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

spookwoman · 16-11-2020 01:18AM

blowitupref wrote: »

Gov.ie press release this evening said as of 2pm today (Sunday), 249 COVID-19 patients are hospitalised

HSE update tonight 258 in hospital as of 2pm today.

Which one is correct?

tonight at 8pm its 271

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid-19-daily-operations-update-20-00-15-november-2020.pdf

majcos · 16-11-2020 01:24AM

Thierry12 wrote: »

My nurse friend told me an interesting story yesterday

A 93 year old resident in her nursing home who was in perfect health, walking herself, fully independent was given the flu vaccine last week and immediately got sick and weak, fever went sky high and poor woman died 5 days after the vaccine

Obvious to everyone the vaccine killed her, but no one will talk about it.

Should she have been given the vaccine at 93?

Risk of a severe reaction to influenza vaccine is about one in a million.

Pneumonia affects 8 in 1000 people in Ireland per year.

Mortality rate for pneumonia in a 93 year is about 30%.

Statistically, it is probably just an unfortunate coincidence she had the flu vaccine a few days earlier.

spookwoman · 16-11-2020 01:27AM

Daily operations report

271 in hospital +21
Confirmed in CC 30 -1
1 Death in CC
21 Ventilated -2

Beaumount 13 +2
Drogheda 19 +1
Letterkenny 38 +10 (1 suspected) , Yesterday 3 confirmed new cases and 5 suspected
Mayo 3 +1
Sligo 13 +1
South Tipp 4 +1
St James's 20 +3
St Vincents 21 +1
Tallaght 25 +1
UHL 39 +2
UHW 3 +1

majcos · 16-11-2020 01:29AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

They do have the highest transmission figures, but Donegal averages 25 cases a day over the past 7 days (31 per day over 14 days), so 10 admissions in 24hrs is well above the norm and points to an outbreak within a hospital or serious lack of testing in the region.

There hasn’t been 10 admissions in 24 hours but neither have there been ten cases within the hospital.

I was just pointing out that the ten cases are likely a mixture of both new admissions and hospital acquired infections.

Did some digging and there is a workplace outbreak in Donegal and chatter about a cluster related to a wake. Hospital transmission is definitely a problem too.

prunudo · 16-11-2020 01:38AM

majcos wrote: »

There hasn’t been 10 admissions in 24 hours but neither have there been ten cases within the hospital.

I was just pointing out that the ten cases are likely a mixture of both new admissions and hospital acquired infections.

Did some digging and there is a workplace outbreak in Donegal and chatter about a cluster related to a wake. Hospital transmission is definitely a problem too.

I did wonder was Tony Holahan misplaced in blaming funerals earlier, should he really have criticised gatherings at wakes rather than the funeral ceremony itself.

majcos · 16-11-2020 01:48AM

prunudo wrote: »

I did wonder was Tony Holahan misplaced in blaming funerals earlier, should he really have criticised gatherings at wakes rather than the funeral ceremony itself.

I cannot verify the wake story but if funerals were specifically mentioned by Tony Holohan, there might be truth in it. Not sure NPHET would make a distinction between a wake and a funeral.

440Hertz · 16-11-2020 01:55AM

I'm still wondering about the PPE in Irish hospitals. Just looking at a lot of US coverage for example, you're beginning to see a lot more medical staff wearing fully enclosed filtered helmet type masks. I've seen similar on reports from Italy and also China earlier this year. They look more like what you would wear in a lab with biohazards.

Here in Ireland and in British hospitals too it seems to be fairly basic paper masks and lots of disposable gowns.

I don't know enough about the realities of it on the ground, but just from media coverage the gear is starting to look fairly bog standard in comparison.

Antares35 · 16-11-2020 01:58AM

political analyst wrote: »

But working from home means no need for babysitters.

It really, really doesn't.

Goldengirl · 16-11-2020 01:58AM

Thierry12 wrote: »

What's fake?

Do you work in a nursing home, what medical experience do you have behind your keyboard?

You do know alot of the residents do get weak and feel unwell after flu vaccines?

Not saying vaccines kill them but they feel unwell after them and do pick up illness and die, these are vulnerable people

Honestly a few of ye need to wake up and work in the real world, work in a nursing home for a winter

I said the site spreading anti vaxx was spreading fake stories and asked you did you get it from there . You said no so that was end of that .
..goodnight

440Hertz · 16-11-2020 02:13AM

majcos wrote: »

Risk of a severe reaction to influenza vaccine is about one in a million.

Pneumonia affects 8 in 1000 people in Ireland per year.

Mortality rate for pneumonia in a 93 year is about 30%.

Statistically, it is probably just an unfortunate coincidence she had the flu vaccine a few days earlier.

A lady I know who was in her 80s but extremely fit, healthy and active, genuinely more so than many 25 year olds, got a dose of normal influenza while on holiday and died quite suddenly.

It's well worth vaccinating against if you can.

It protects you. It protects vulnerable people who may have weak immune systems who might be in contact with you and it also just greatly reduces your chance of getting a very unpleasant illness. The flu is bloody nasty and from what I can see most of those who say otherwise just had a bad cold they thought was the flu!

As for the flu vaccine being claimed to be dangerous. The story being quoted further back up this thread (which I will not repost) has been comprehensively proven to be fake in public fact checking.

I don't understand why people continuously seem to want to imagine the vaccine producers are trying to do something malevolent. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Other than sewage systems, vaccines have probably been the single biggest step forward in human health. They're the reason you're not seeing children going around crippled with the aftermath of polio and various other formerly rampent illnesses.

Also as medicines go, vaccines are as natural as it gets! All it is is basically just a way of providing your own immune system with the necessary information to suppress or destroy an invading pathogenic virus, without having to actually encounter that virus at all or at least not in its pathogenic form that might cause you serious harm.

Nothing is 100% risk free. Cutting your toe nails. Popping a paracetamol. Having a sandwich. All of those things can kill in bizzare circumstances. I've yet to see anyone launch a conspiracy theory about sandwich makers.

I just cannot get my head around why people continuously obsess with discrediting what is probably one of the most amazingly useful things we have ever invented as a way of preventing some really horrible disease. It just makes no sense at all.

The only conspiracy I read into it is that perhaps they're the ones who would like to see a lot of people suffer and even not survive highly preventable diseases because that has been the direct result of their nonsense campaigns.

We've just lived through a golden age since the 1950s where you could take it for granted that you were very unlikely to get any of those diseases and it was thanks to near universal uptake of vaccines primarily and I think people have forgotten just how deadly viruses can be, because we've never really had to face anything like that in more than a generation.

COVID-19, if nothing else, should be a serious reminder that we live on a knife edge, sharing a world with a lot of potentially very nasty pathogens and that quite oftenall that's stood between us and them has been a bit of ingenuity with biotech that's allowed for mass vaccination.

We also need to be damn careful about antibiotic resistance and wasting antibiotics in agriculture and over use. They're our only line of defence against another, once horendous, catalogue of bacterial diseases, once deadly, currently treatable with a magic pill. If that stops working, we are looking at another state of social distancing and sanitary measures.

Perhaps if anything good comes off COVID it might be that we snap out of our overly optimistic bubble of arrogance and start taking these issues seriously again. Otherwise, there's always a potential pandemic that could come out of the blue like this all over again.

Strumms · 16-11-2020 02:31AM

prunudo wrote: »

I did wonder was Tony Holahan misplaced in blaming funerals earlier, should he really have criticised gatherings at wakes rather than the funeral ceremony itself.

No, think of every funeral.

People meet at and outside the church... sad emotive occasion... people who won’t have seen each other for a time. Tears, emotions, hugging, kissing...

s1ippy · 16-11-2020 02:32AM

https://twitter.com/skydavidblevins/status/1328079938654773249?s=20

Do we really think cases are so different in this part of Ireland?

Antares35 · 16-11-2020 02:35AM

s1ippy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/skydavidblevins/status/1328079938654773249?s=20

Do we really think cases are so different in this part of Ireland?

Yes because we have pods here therefore it will all be ok

spookwoman · 16-11-2020 02:38AM

Antares35 wrote: »

Yes because we have pods here therefore it will all be ok

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72kRNqxIwbY

Antares35 · 16-11-2020 02:42AM

440Hertz wrote: »

A lady I know who was in her 80s but extremely fit, healthy and active, genuinely more so than many 25 year olds, got a dose of normal influenza while on holiday and died quite suddenly.

It's well worth vaccinating against if you can.

It protects you. It protects vulnerable people who may have weak immune systems who might be in contact with you and it also just greatly reduces your chance of getting a very unpleasant illness. The flu is bloody nasty and from what I can see most of those who say otherwise just had a bad cold they thought was the flu!

As for the flu vaccine being claimed to be dangerous. The story being quoted further back up this thread (which I will not repost) has been comprehensively proven to be fake in public fact checking.

I don't understand why people continuously seem to want to imagine the vaccine producers are trying to do something malevolent. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Other than sewage systems, vaccines have probably been the single biggest step forward in human health. They're the reason you're not seeing children going around crippled with the aftermath of polio and various other formerly rampent illnesses.

Also as medicines go, vaccines are as natural as it gets! All it is is basically just a way of providing your own immune system with the necessary information to suppress or destroy an invading pathogenic virus, without having to actually encounter that virus at all or at least not in its pathogenic form that might cause you serious harm.

Nothing is 100% risk free. Cutting your toe nails. Popping a paracetamol. Having a sandwich. All of those things can kill in bizzare circumstances. I've yet to see anyone launch a conspiracy theory about sandwich makers.

I just cannot get my head around why people continuously obsess with discrediting what is probably one of the most amazingly useful things we have ever invented as a way of preventing some really horrible disease. It just makes no sense at all.

The only conspiracy I read into it is that perhaps they're the ones who would like to see a lot of people suffer and even not survive highly preventable diseases because that has been the direct result of their nonsense campaigns.

We've just lived through a golden age since the 1950s where you could take it for granted that you were very unlikely to get any of those diseases and it was thanks to near universal uptake of vaccines primarily and I think people have forgotten just how deadly viruses can be, because we've never really had to face anything like that in more than a generation.

COVID-19, if nothing else, should be a serious reminder that we live on a knife edge, sharing a world with a lot of potentially very nasty pathogens and that quite oftenall that's stood between us and them has been a bit of ingenuity with biotech that's allowed for mass vaccination.

We also need to be damn careful about antibiotic resistance and wasting antibiotics in agriculture and over use. They're our only line of defence against another, once horendous, catalogue of bacterial diseases, once deadly, currently treatable with a magic pill. If that stops working, we are looking at another state of social distancing and sanitary measures.

Perhaps if anything good comes off COVID it might be that we snap out of our overly optimistic bubble of arrogance and start taking these issues seriously again. Otherwise, there's always a potential pandemic that could come out of the blue like this all over again.

Wow, so much truth and sense. I think a lot of anti vaxxers are just band wagon jumpers. They're all in the same group - water is poison, sugar is cancer, except when they're mixed in a homeopathic remedy. We've one in our family. I wish there was a vaccine against her tbh.

It's maddening to think there are highly educated and qualified people in labs all over the world working day and night to get a vaccine for covid so that a cohort of the knit your own teapot brigade can refuse to take it.

blowitupref · 16-11-2020 02:57AM

spookwoman wrote: »

tonight at 8pm its 271

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid-19-daily-operations-update-20-00-15-november-2020.pdf

I know had already seen tonights update. My question is why different numbers was given for 2pm today.

spookwoman · 16-11-2020 03:03AM

blowitupref wrote: »

I know had already seen tonights update. My question is why different numbers was given for 2pm today.

Their site is notorious for typos. I got onto them about it got some bullsh*t long spiel reply about patient confidentiality etc. Don't know how the lack of basic arithmetic has anything to do with patient confidentiality.

Strumms · 16-11-2020 03:12AM

440Hertz wrote: »

It protects you. It protects vulnerable people who may have weak immune systems who might be in contact with you and it also just greatly reduces your chance of getting a very unpleasant illness. The flu is bloody nasty and from what I can see most of those who say otherwise just had a bad cold they thought was the flu!

As for the flu vaccine being claimed to be dangerous. The story being quoted further back up this thread (which I will not repost) has been comprehensively proven to be fake in public fact checking.

I don't understand why people continuously seem to want to imagine the vaccine producers are trying to do something malevolent. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

People have denied and ARE denying everything that doesn’t suit their agenda from...The holocaust, Global warming, now covid...

Away With The Fairies · 16-11-2020 04:16AM

Boris Johnson is self isolating after being exposed to a positive case. It will be interesting to see how this goes.

16-11-2020 04:25AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Boris Johnson is self isolating after being exposed to a positive case. It will be interesting to see how this goes.

It makes no sense whatsoever for him to self-isolate.

s1ippy · 16-11-2020 04:32AM

Yeah he should spread it around, everyone else there is doing it. (?)

16-11-2020 04:50AM

s1ippy wrote: »

Yeah he should spread it around, everyone else there is doing it. (?)

How can he spread it around? He's had it already.

wes · 16-11-2020 05:04AM

Deleted User wrote: »

How can he spread it around? He's had it already.

People can get it twice.

16-11-2020 05:12AM

wes wrote: »

People can get it twice.

It has happened less than ten times with likely hundreds of millions of infections. NY Times last month said there were five reinfections with 38 million confirmed infections.

Frankly, it is imbecilic for a leader of a country to self-isolate in the run up to a hard Brexit for what are lottery type of odds of getting it again.

If i am ever unfortunate enough to suffer through Covid, there is not a person in this world who could force me to self-isolate because I was in a room for a while with someone who had it. It's absurd.

eagle eye · 16-11-2020 05:21AM

Deleted User wrote:

It has happened less than ten times with likely hundreds of millions of infections. NY Times last month said there were five reinfections with 38 million confirmed infections.

But it has happened.

Deleted User wrote:

Frankly, it is imbecilic for a leader of a country to self-isolate in the run up to a hard Brexit for what are lottery type of odds of getting it again.

He got I bad the first time. Are you aware of his medical history? Is he high risk if he contracts it?

Deleted User wrote:

If i am ever unfortunate enough to suffer through Covid, there is not a person in this world who could force me to self-isolate because I was in a room for a while with someone who had it. It's absurd.

That's your decision to make but I'd consider it foolish if you had it and suffered bad symptoms first time around.

16-11-2020 05:24AM

It's a sorry standard to set when the odds are in the millions. Have fun enforcing it on people who've been vaccinated.

Eod100 · 16-11-2020 09:33AM

Talk of a 2 week window before Christmas with pubs and restaurants open https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40082945.html?type=amp&__twitter_impression=true

Cork2021 · 16-11-2020 09:49AM

Eod100 wrote: »

Talk of a 2 week window before Christmas with pubs and restaurants open https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40082945.html?type=amp&__twitter_impression=true

That’s all well and good but two weeks Is pointless. The whole month of December is what the hospitality sector needs. They’d take that with the month of January off as that’s nowhere near profitable any year don’t mind this year.

Icyseanfitz · 16-11-2020 09:50AM

s1ippy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/skydavidblevins/status/1328079938654773249?s=20

Do we really think cases are so different in this part of Ireland?

Jesus Christ

harr · 16-11-2020 09:51AM

Eod100 wrote: »

Talk of a 2 week window before Christmas with pubs and restaurants open https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40082945.html?type=amp&__twitter_impression=true

Needs to be level 5 up to mid December and level 2 for a month. Level 3 not much different than level 5 for a lot of people.
Having split levels just confuses people and no one will adhere to a level 5 or level 3 lockdown over the Christmas.

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

Comments