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Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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  • #4082
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Yes, especially if they are going to open up for Christmas, which I hope they will .
    As another poster said just back a few ( I always get it wrong so won't say who ! :) ) , we should come out of this testing the bejaysus out of everyone to try to halt any increases in January and February .

    Edit : @ Woollyredhat , it was you this time , I think ;)

    Yes, I saw that Austria are going down this route this evening in The Guardian and thought it is something we should also consider. It seems it could be on the cards, they had someone from the ESRI talking about it with the Prime Time team, will probably feature on their programme this week.

    ETA: Sorry, I see they discussed it on their programme last Thursday. Article here:

    https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2020/1112/1177711-operation-moonshot-could-mass-testing-work-in-ireland/


  • #4083
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    21 covid cases reported from hospitals in the last 24hrs. 10 of which are from Letterkenny.

    Presuming Letterkenny hospital having the same issues as Naas did last week and that UHL is still having also.


  • #4084
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,129 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    At this stage late on a Sunday night, I can only hope for folk to be able to cope, and we do.

    It is not easy though, far from it, but most of us are in it together, not much more we can do. I can't find my apple earphones and I got very cross, but realised that is not important anymore really, just order a knock off from the A place.

    I reckon 90% or so of us are self reliant and resilient and on we go again.


  • #4085
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    What's the point, open border, we are a small part of Europe, pointless talking about it

    Yep you're right, sure why bother trying anything


  • #4086
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    So did a " nurse friend " of yours really tell you that ?

    Or are you spreading fake sxxx from an antivaxx site ?

    She did

    It happens

    Not anti vax btw


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  • #4087
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    At this stage late on a Sunday night, I can only hope for folk to be able to cope, and we do.

    It is not easy though, far from it, but most of us are in it together, not much more we can do. I can't find my apple earphones and I got very cross, but realised that is not important anymore really, just order a knock off from the A place.

    I reckon 90% or so of us are self reliant and resilient and on we go again.

    we'll be fine. vaccine just around the corner.

    it's just frustrating that some people still don't grasp the fundamentals of this thing, why restrictions are needed, protecting the hospitals etc. i suppose some people don't want to know, they're just angry and i can understand that too.


  • #4088
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,839 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Is it not an interesting question though, let's say 200-500 die from the flu each year, I'm not comparing the flu to covid before anyone comes in what that ****e. With restrictions we could nearly eradicate the flu in this country and save up to 500 lives. Would it be worth it.

    Considering, even at its worst...


    Flu : 500

    Covid : 1979 (so far)

    Covid will be four to five times more deadly.

    The WHO...

    “Mortality for COVID-19 appears higher than for influenza, especially seasonal influenza. While the true mortality of COVID-19 will take some time to fully understand, the data we have so far indicate that the crude mortality ratio (the number of reported deaths divided by the reported cases) is between 3-4%, the infection mortality rate (the number of reported deaths divided by the number of infections) will be lower. For seasonal influenza, mortality is usually well below 0.1%”


  • #4089
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    21 covid cases reported from hospitals in the last 24hrs. 10 of which are from Letterkenny.

    Presuming Letterkenny hospital having the same issues as Naas did last week and that UHL is still having also.
    For clarification, 21 cases reported from hospitals are not all hospital acquired. That includes all the people diagnosed on admission to hospital.


  • #4090
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,019 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    bikeman1 wrote: »
    It seems to me that we are back to being overly obsessed with daily case numbers. Remember that not every positive case is actually sick. Secondly the number of cases being reported in hospitals shows that that’s where the problem is now, so the HSE should get their house in order.

    Our focus must be on the hospitalisations and ICU capacity. The hospitals are thankfully coping well and probably quieter than this time last year. Deaths are running at near normal levels, again good work by all. We are nearly top of the class in Europe.

    All this taken into account, we should be happy to get rid of the stupid things in this Level 5 nonsense.

    > Remove the County / Distance rule and those pointless checkpoints creating unnecessary traffic jams.

    > Open up retail on a manageable level. We all know what to do. I can’t see how buying a phone in a shop or some booze is different to buying a shirt for Christmas.

    > Allow outdoor activities like golf, tennis, football to return.

    > Allow outdoor dining, however impractical that would be in the Irish weather.

    > Keep the ban on household visits

    This would show that controlled measures can work. The plan to swing open the doors of everywhere just 3 weeks from Christmas sounds like a disaster.

    People need to live and have some hope in life, even if that means the virus for some. Life is full of risks and ****ty problems, but we survive and get by.

    Agree , good post .
    Murder will ensue over pubs though ;)


  • #4091
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Strumms wrote: »
    WE ? Who is WE ?

    By your logic we could do away with various other behaviors that enable the safety and wellbeing of citizens through evaluating and assessing risk and providing a safety net...

    We have restrictions on.....

    Speeding on our roads... for example, it works, keeping people safe and well...

    Why don’t we get a load of people out, claiming their rights are being trampled on and businesses should be allowed to say a courier company, exceed the speed limits and get more deliveries completed and have less cost to have to hire more drivers and more vans..to get every box and letter delivered within the time in the delivery contracts ?

    No, we put the health, safety and wellbeing of our citizens first... don’t like it tough, break the regs ? A few weeks inside. Soften your cough. Do it again, months to a year, soften more than a cough :)

    Ok ill ask you the question too, should we keep the present restrictions after a covid vaccine if it means saving 500 lives that would have died of flu. Straight answer, no waffle


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  • #4092
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    She did

    It happens

    Not anti vax btw

    Is that official cause of death listed on her cert?


  • #4093
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    majcos wrote: »
    21 cases confirmed are not all hospital acquired. That includes all the people diagnosed on admission.

    Trends in those hospitals suggest hospital transmission. There’s not 10 undiagnosed COVID positive people showing up at Letterkenny hospital, realistically.


  • #4094
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    majcos wrote: »
    21 cases confirmed are not all hospital acquired. That includes all the people diagnosed on admission.

    I know that, for the Sunday its quite large and Letterkenny was reporting issues with outbreaks last week which don't appear to be subsiding.

    I'd be shocked if 10 people turned up at Letterkenny hospital today and had undiagnosed covid


  • #4095
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Ok ill ask you the question too, should we keep the present restrictions after a covid vaccine if it means saving 500 lives that would have died of flu. Straight answer, no waffle

    Is Wurzall giving me the cold shoulder now?

    I answered your question, short and sweet.

    :(


  • #4096
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Thats's from whatsapp and debunked at this stage.
    https://www.thejournal.ie/factcheck-did-care-home-residents-die-flu-vaccine-5245979-Nov2020/

    Its not

    It's a real nursing home, I am not making it up, it happened

    You don't have to believe me, suit yourself


  • #4097
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,019 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    She did

    It happens

    Not anti vax btw

    Talking about the site .
    Lot of nasty stuff circulating .
    As I said could be a lot of reasons , but this is fake so end of discussion.


  • #4098
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    21 covid cases reported from hospitals in the last 24hrs. 10 of which are from Letterkenny.

    Presuming Letterkenny hospital having the same issues as Naas did last week and that UHL is still having also.

    Definitely seems like hospital outbreaks are keeping the hospital cases high and not giving an accurate representation of hospitalized cases.

    Digging into the figures, there was 3 suspect covid patients in ICU in UHL on the 10th and the next day their confirmed ICU figure increased by 2. Either the outbreak spread into ICU (which I'd like to think is unlikely) or the wards affected were high risk patients.


  • #4099
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,129 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    froog wrote: »
    we'll be fine. vaccine just around the corner.

    it's just frustrating that some people still don't grasp the fundamentals of this thing, why restrictions are needed, protecting the hospitals etc. i suppose some people don't want to know, they're just angry and i can understand that too.

    Well said thanks.


  • #4100
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,019 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    I know that, for the Sunday its quite large and Letterkenny was reporting issues with outbreaks last week which don't appear to be subsiding.

    I'd be shocked if 10 people turned up at Letterkenny hospital today and had undiagnosed covid

    I wouldn't, given what is going on just across the border there .


  • #4101
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Trends in those hospitals suggest hospital transmission. There’s not 10 undiagnosed COVID positive people showing up at Letterkenny hospital, realistically.
    Most people admitted to hospital with Covid are not diagnosed until admission. Donegal has the highest incidence rate so it would stand to reason that would also have higher numbers of admissions.

    There is definitely spread within the hospital in Letterkenny as already reported but cannot attribute all 21 cases reported from hospitals today as hospital acquired. Some were admitted and then diagnosed. Don’t know the breakdown of the numbers but can just say it’s not the full 21 that are hospital acquired.


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  • #4102
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,839 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Ok ill ask you the question too, should we keep the present restrictions after a covid vaccine if it means saving 500 lives that would have died of flu. Straight answer, no waffle

    It’s disingenuous effort at a question. ;)


    Of course not, flu is less deadly, less contagious, has never crippled society, not as dangerous as covid... 200-500 people who have flu die each year, in excess of 2000 will die from covid.

    The CDC (centers for disease control and prevention) tell us...

    “COVID-19 seems to spread more easily than flu and causes more serious illnesses in some people”


  • #4103
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    nofools wrote: »
    Is Wurzall giving me the cold shoulder now?

    I answered your question, short and sweet.

    :(

    I didn't quote you young fella.


  • #4104
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    I know that, for the Sunday its quite large and Letterkenny was reporting issues with outbreaks last week which don't appear to be subsiding.

    I'd be shocked if 10 people turned up at Letterkenny hospital today and had undiagnosed covid
    But also likely that some did and not all 10 are hospital acquired.


  • #4105
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    spookwoman wrote: »
    Is that official cause of death listed on her cert?

    No she died of pneumonia


  • #4106
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Strumms wrote: »
    It’s disingenuous effort at a question. ;)


    Of course not, flu is less deadly, less contagious, has never crippled society, not as dangerous as covid... 200-500 people who have flu die each year, in excess of 2000 will die from covid.

    The CDC (centers for disease control and prevention) tell us...

    “COVID-19 seems to spread more easily than flu and causes more serious illnesses in some people”

    Thanks,


  • #4107
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    majcos wrote: »
    But also likely that some did and not all 10 are hospital acquired.

    Again I didnt mention all were hospital acquired, hospitals reporting 21 cases is what I said and I'm fairly sure everyone knows that's positive tests reported back from their labs but 3 hospitals having a particular rough time lately would lead to the conclusion given their current numbers that there is significant issue in said hospitals, Naas less so they don't appear to be reporting high numbers in the last few days and had a good chunk of discharges recently.


  • #4108
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Talking about the site .
    Lot of nasty stuff circulating .
    As I said could be a lot of reasons , but this is fake so end of discussion.

    What's fake?

    Do you work in a nursing home, what medical experience do you have behind your keyboard?

    You do know alot of the residents do get weak and feel unwell after flu vaccines?

    Not saying vaccines kill them but they feel unwell after them and do pick up illness and die, these are vulnerable people

    Honestly a few of ye need to wake up and work in the real world, work in a nursing home for a winter


  • #4109
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Again I didnt mention all were hospital acquired, hospitals reporting 21 cases is what I said and I'm fairly sure everyone knows that's positive tests reported back from their labs but 3 hospitals having a particular rough time lately would lead to the conclusion given their current numbers that there is significant issue in said hospitals, Naas less so they don't appear to be reporting high numbers in the last few days and had a good chunk of discharges recently.
    No. I know you didn’t but I thought others less familiar with the data and testing procedures reading your post would think it was all hospital transmission.

    There is definitely an issue with hospital transmission but Donegal and Limerick have the highest 14 day incidence rates so some of it is coming from the community too.


  • #4110
    blowitupref
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,141 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    21 covid cases reported from hospitals in the last 24hrs. 10 of which are from Letterkenny.

    Presuming Letterkenny hospital having the same issues as Naas did last week and that UHL is still having also.

    Gov.ie press release this evening said as of 2pm today (Sunday), 249 COVID-19 patients are hospitalised

    HSE update tonight 258 in hospital as of 2pm today.

    Which one is correct?


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  • #4111
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    majcos wrote: »
    No. I know you didn’t but I thought others less familiar with the data and testing procedures reading your post would think it was all hospital transmission.

    There is definitely an issue with hospital transmission but Donegal and Limerick have the highest 14 day incidence rates so some of it is coming from the community too.

    They do have the highest transmission figures, but Donegal averages 25 cases a day over the past 7 days (31 per day over 14 days), so 10 admissions in 24hrs is well above the norm and points to an outbreak within a hospital or serious lack of testing in the region.


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