Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

Padre_Pio wrote: »

It is a fact. But they are two different elections, so it makes no sense.

More Americans voted for Biden than Trump. That is also a fact.
More Americans voted for Hillary than Trump in the last election. Also a fact.

Twice as many Americans voted for Biden than JFK. Biden must be twice as popular :rolleyes:

It's mind numbing these facts(the one you replied to)

Also fact, population of USA when JFK was elected 180m, current estimate 328m+

It's almost like people are purposefully ignorant sometimes.

Also the fight over the narrative is so pointless, who cares about legacy or pride, we have thousands of people dieing and getting permanent systemic damage to their bodies in a raging pandemic, Biden won the election, Trump has a couple of months to try and do good things if that's what he believes he stands for. None of these facts are going to change by fighting over a narrative or some dreamed up legacy, its not important. He can have a statue and we will throw a party for him, tell him he won, if it makes him feel better, it is just placating some celebrity's ego while the real world continues.

It reminds me of the endless debates people have about the legacy of historic characters, fighting to make small changes to the narrative. When what is important and really shaped world affairs at any specific time in history is how the peasants lived rather than the aristocracy.

VinLieger wrote: »

LOL theres citations for all the data, did you read it or just look at the pretty colours?

Stop that..pulling trumpists up on crap they post is bullying apparently

joseywhales wrote: »

I think you are missing the point, vote by mail is considered a legitimate method of voting, so its irrelevant whether Biden gained an advantage from mail in voting or not.

It is like saying Biden only won because of urban voters, that's a fact. Yes this is true but does not imply voter fraud.

Mail in voting is an advantage, one can do it in the comfort of their own home without waiting for hours in the wind and rain. Plus instead of one person going to vote in person on behalf of a house, everyone in house will now vote as it's easy, and then one person can still go drop off the ballot, while rest have their slippers on and are watching tv.



Trump in hindsight should have told his base to request 100m ballots, for their moms, dads, uncles, aunts, brothers, sisters, friends, even their dog, instead he told them not to vote by mail, that it was fraud. Stupid in hindsight as it gave massive advantage to Biden.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And Trump will remain a one term president. :rolleyes:

An impeached one term president

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Mail in voting is an advantage, one can do it in the comfort of their own home without waiting for hours in the wind and rain. Plus instead of one person going to vote in person on behalf of a house, everyone in house will now vote as it's easy, and then one person can still go drop off the ballot, while rest have their slippers on and are watching tv.



Trump in hindsight should have told his base to request 100m ballots, for their moms, dads, uncles, aunts, brothers, sisters, friends, even their dog, instead he told them not to vote by mail, that it was fraud. Stupid in hindsight as it gave massive advantage to Biden.

trump's own children voted by mail, he's been trying to create a narrative, probably hoping that the election would be close (it wasn't) to try and delegitimise the election, but because he lost by so much, the narrative (which everyone knew he was trying because he is a stupid man and wouldn't know subtlety if it dropped on his head like a piano) has failed miserably, leaving a bunch of idiots and sycophants still defending him.

What he was trying was stupid in every sight, before, after, during, everyone knew what the stupid man was trying to do, then he did it, then everybody laughed and continues laughing at him while he keeps on doing it.

Tell me how wrote: »

I'm actually somewhat glad that Trump is behaving like this at this point and will likely continue doing so for the next 2 months.

It is indeed dragging the US further in to the gutter, but, I'm hoping that every day he does so, further reduces the chances of him or his family have much more involvement in world politics beyond the 20th of January.

I hope that once he is out, the door will be firmly shut on him (or his offspring or their partners) re-entering.

The behaviour of GOP members in encouraging him is deplorable but I can see them doing it from a 'What we have we hold' type of view but once they lose what they held, I hope they'll drop him at speed. They too are showing their true colours at this time. No more sanctimonious calls for dignity or respect from them should ever be broadcast.

Agree with this as long as nobody gets hurt in the process (apart from him and his spawn) He's becoming more unhinged by the day though so this seems unlikely.

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Mail in voting is an advantage, one can do it in the comfort of their own home without waiting for hours in the wind and rain. Plus instead of one person going to vote in person on behalf of a house, everyone in house will now vote as it's easy, and then one person can still go drop off the ballot, while rest have their slippers on and are watching tv.



Trump in hindsight should have told his base to request 100m ballots, for their moms, dads, uncles, aunts, brothers, sisters, friends, even their dog, instead he told them not to vote by mail, that it was fraud. Stupid in hindsight as it gave massive advantage to Biden.

I can't believe that someone arguing that Trump is right to be suspicious is actually detailing that he should have actively promoted fraudulent activity in order to undermine a voting method which he and his family utilised. Do you realise what you just wrote?

Your desire for him to have won the election (by fair means or foul) aside, he did actually do similar. Saying on at least one commentary to the press that people could request ballots and then go and vote in person and one of his lackies, former Governor Mike Huckabee said that he had just mailed his ballot and was looking forward to vote in person.

Mail in voting is only an advantage to those who use it not to either candidate. If one side took advantage of it then that’s the other sides fault for not.

robinph wrote: »

Think there were a couple of states that sent postal votes to everyone by default, didn't even have to request it. Didn't make any difference to the results, did increase the turnout. What's the problem with more people participating in the election?

Nothing wrong with that, only problem was it was mail in voting v voting in person. It was 85% 15% in favour of Democrats .

But you made the point....


.''What's the problem with more people participating in the election?''


Only problem is it was only the one side that had the easier participation, while other side were told not to use it. Bad strategy and led to Biden winning.



If mail in voting is so great why is it not used here fully, and in UK. Do away with voting in person? Won't happen, and we all know why, it's not safe, yet everyone is applauding it for the USA to use, as it achieved the goal of getting rid of Trump.

normakelle wrote: »

They did announce themselves according to witnesses. As a law abiding citizen if I heard gunfire in my apartment I wouldn't get out of bed, I would cower under the covers and call the cops. If you lie down with dogs you get fleas.

Which witnesses?

Bold emphasis mine.

LOUISVILLE, Ky. — Nearly a week ago, Attorney General Daniel Cameron declared that Louisville Metro Police knocked and announced themselves before breaking down Breonna Taylor's apartment door during an attempted search that ended in her death.

He knew it, he said, because the officers at the scene told investigators they had identified themselves as police — and one of Taylor's neighbors said he heard them do it.

But Cameron left something out — that same witness previously said the exact opposite.

"No, nobody identify themself," Aaron Sarpee told Louisville Metro Police investigators March 21, according to investigative documents obtained by The Courier Journal.

It wasn't until nearly two months later, when investigators circled back to Sarpee on May 15, that Taylor's neighbor said he heard officers knock and announce: "This is the cops."

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Nothing wrong with that, only problem was it was mail in voting v voting in person. It was 85% 15% in favour of Democrats .

But you made the point....


.''What's the problem with more people participating in the election?''


Only problem is it was only the one side that had the easier participation, while other side were told not to use it. Bad strategy and led to Biden winning.



If mail in voting is so great why is it not used here fully, and in UK. Do away with voting in person? Won't happen, and we all know why, it's not safe, yet everyone is applauding it for the USA to use, as it achieved the goal of getting rid of Trump.

False.

Both sides had it as easy to use mail in should they chose to. One side chose not to.