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Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

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  • #6422
    normakelle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 251 ✭✭normakelle


    Tell me how wrote: »
    I was of course more interested in the taking responsibility for their actions part.

    Comical to see the nonsense Trump supporters are coming out with.
    saw a video where someone was saying that traditional conservatives were all about respect for the military, religion and family life and in this election you had a candidate who is very happily married and close to his family, weekly church goer and has deep respect for the military and yet conservatives are infatuated with the 3 times married, sleeping with prostitutes candidate who uses faith as a prop and thinks dead soldiers are losers.

    They can all take a hike with the righteous indignation.

    Trump is no saint has he faults? absolutely, He is loud and brash and speaks with no filter. People voted for him because they were sick of slick politicians. Be careful what you wish for lol. But over 70 million people voted for him and they are on the ground over there experiencing life under him as president and are happy with the job he is doing,
    Christians vote for him largely on the abortion laws. You can have an abortion nearly up to full term. Surely you should have decided whether you wanted a child before then. I am of the belief you should have the choice to have an abortion but there has to be a cut off point. The only reasons you should have an abortion at that stage is medical or if the quality of life the child will be one of suffering.


  • #6423
    normakelle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 251 ✭✭normakelle


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Not at all. The last time we discussed in depth whether all supporters of Trump are racist or not, the majority (including me) said that the majority of his supporters weren't.

    The only one that's doing any bullying or being one-sided is you by assuming that everyone who is anti-Trump presumes that all Trump supporters are racist when five seconds of using the search function would have told you otherwise.

    So the racism angle is the only thing you took from my post lol


  • #6424
    normakelle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 251 ✭✭normakelle


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Are you telling me Breonna Taylor was lawfully killed while sleeping?

    Did her boyfriend open fire on the cops? What were they meant to do. get themselves killed.


  • #6425
    Padre_Pio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    normakelle wrote: »
    Did her boyfriend open fire on the cops? What were they meant to do. get themselves killed.

    Announce themselves before busting into a property?


  • #6426
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    nolivesmatter wrote: »
    It's not going to make any difference, Biden will be certified. But it doesn't matter if you think there's zero evidence for a need for a review. He's legally within his rights to request it. Anyone who can't accept that should equally be responded to with your two 2 words.

    Everyone knows he is within his rights to question things. Can people stop making this inane point? We know he can challenge the result but people are free to point out how pathetic he looks in doing so, as the likelihood of changing the outcome in four or five states is vanishingly unlikely.


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  • #6427
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,052 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    nolivesmatter wrote: »
    It's not going to make any difference, Biden will be certified. But it doesn't matter if you think there's zero evidence for a need for a review. He's legally within his rights to request it. Anyone who can't accept that should equally be responded to with your two 2 words.

    Trump is not requesting anything. He is putting out that the voting system has been rigged, that the democrats have stolen the election (in a few select states).

    That is a world away from the perfectly reasonable and normal calls for recounts in tight races. It is a world away for asking for confirmation that local officials ensure that the voting was secure - both of these have come out on their own and said that everything is perfectly fine.

    What Trump is doing is attacking the entire basis of the democratic system, without any evidence. In fact he is doing in despite all the evidence being against him.

    Yet he continues to insist, not request, insist that the system is corrupt. That officials have been corrupted and that the media are all working together with the Democrats to steal the election from him.


  • #6428
    sabat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭sabat


    normakelle wrote: »
    But over 70 million people voted for him and they are on the ground over there experiencing life under him as president and are happy with the job he is doing,

    Making him a more popular president than Obama...


  • #6429
    sdanseo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    jill_valentine wrote: »
    If the police endorse a man like Trump that is no credit to him; it is a stain on them. It is a clear demonstration of their worst critics' accusations.

    The Proud Boys are an explicitly white supremacist gang whose leadership - unlike left wing groups frequently accused of it - actually does openly advocate political violence, and whose membership engages in it and instructs each other in it as a matter of course.

    The fact police forces in the US treat them as BFFs is, again, not a proof of what lovely young chaps they must be, it is an illustration of how deeply compromised the police actually are.

    If your police force and your neo nazis are holding hands and making daisy chains (or if you prefer, giving water and hi fives to killers, passing on tips on how to avoid barricades, and patting them on the back) then it's because as far as both parties are concerned, they're all on the same team. It is to nobody's credit that neo nazis think they're deadly.

    I completely agree. In fact the point I was making about the endorsement is that the police on the street in the heat of a protest are conditioned to be more respectful of the Trump supporters.

    That's not just because of endorsements though, of course; it's down to the behaviour of protesters too.


  • #6430
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    No out cry just yet about Biden appointing Cecilia Munoz to his transition team.

    Selective outcry is the backbone of populism


  • #6431
    sdanseo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Boggles wrote: »
    Nope, it's because they are predominately white. We both know that. Let's not pretend at this stage, it would be unbecoming to either of our intelligence.

    CNN had several reporters there that night, you think it's a coincidence only Omar was arrested?

    Anyway, Michael Moore called Trumps win the last roar of the angry white man, hopefully he is right.

    Of course Biden could speed it up by signing an executive order implementing mass sterilization and mass dentistry while he is at it.

    :)

    This post is a perfect example of the supposedly tolerant half of America being manifestly intolerant, and furthering the divide. The only way you solve the problem is compromise in both directions, despite it seeming unpalatable.

    73 million people voted for Trump, 4 million more than Obama.

    You don't ease them back to being more moderate by sterilizing them. That's when the weapons would start being used instead of toted.


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  • #6432
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,034 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    nolivesmatter wrote: »
    It's not going to make any difference, Biden will be certified. But it doesn't matter if you think there's zero evidence for a need for a review. He's legally within his rights to request it. Anyone who can't accept that should equally be responded to with your two 2 words.

    WTF is that supposed to mean?

    Should every loser in every election hold up and undermine the process because they are legally within their rights to request something? Lets see if Trump demands a recount in Wisconsin given that he would have to pay for it.

    We had the BS 2 weeks ago of Trump fans in Arizona chanting 'Count every vote' (he still lost) while Trump fans in Pennsylvania chanted 'Stop the count'.


  • #6433
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    sabat wrote: »
    Making him a more popular president than Obama...

    That's a leap, it's a higher turnout so numbers increased, his approval ratings were dire for the entirety of his presidency. He still couldn't win the popular vote or the election for that matter. Accepted that he's lost yet?


  • #6434
    Padre_Pio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    sabat wrote: »
    Making him a more popular president than Obama...

    That's a leap.

    This election had the highest turnout in over 100 years, so total votes is a bad measure of popularity.
    Percentage wise though,

    52.9% voted for Obama in 2008
    51.1% voted for Obama in 2012
    46.1% for Trump in 2016
    47.2% for Trump in 2020.


  • #6435
    nolivesmatter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 914 ✭✭✭nolivesmatter


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Everyone knows he is within his rights to question things. Can people stop making this inane point? We know he can challenge the result but people are free to point out how pathetic he looks in doing so, as the likelihood of changing the outcome in four or five states is vanishingly unlikely.

    Speaking of inane points.


  • #6436
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    nolivesmatter wrote: »
    Speaking of inane points.

    Care to explain why it is? He's actively hampering any transition because of his denial so this is a very real issue.


  • #6437
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,950 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    normakelle wrote: »
    oh ya just because you read it on reddit it must be true.


    LOL theres citations for all the data, did you read it or just look at the pretty colours?


  • #6438
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,634 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    km991148 wrote: »
    Do you honestly think that America, one of the largest nations, don't have systems in place to ensure fair and independent processes are in place already. Think of all the tens of 000s or hundreds of 000s of people involved in the process and the number of people who have cane forward.
    How do you imagine such a conspiracy was handled.

    Look back on the narrative Trump was pushing before the election.


    I fail to understand how anyone with even the slightest but if objective thinking can fail to see that.

    And before any if you Trump lovers start calling foul and saying I'm calling ye all stupid, my post history says otherwise. But when people refuse to think for themselves, I do sometimes begin to wonder what the fcuk is wrong with the world?



    Incidentally, there is another independent review being conducted via the courts. It's failing at the first hurdle because there is absolutely no evidence of mass voter fraud.

    Stop stroking this fools ego ffs.


    Yea, and then out of the blue you make all those things redundant with mail in voting.
    I wanted Biden to win, but it's only because of mail in voting that he did, that's a fact.


  • #6439
    nolivesmatter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 914 ✭✭✭nolivesmatter


    Tell me how wrote: »
    WTF is that supposed to mean?

    Should every loser in every election hold up and undermine the process because they are legally within their rights to request something? Lets see if Trump demands a recount in Wisconsin given that he would have to pay for it.

    We had the BS 2 weeks ago of Trump fans in Arizona chanting 'Count every vote' (he still lost) while Trump fans in Pennsylvania chanted 'Stop the count'.

    Should they? Maybe not. Can they? Yes.

    'Suck it up' as they say around here.


  • #6440
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,034 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    sdanseo wrote: »
    This post is a perfect example of the supposedly tolerant half of America being manifestly intolerant, and furthering the divide. The only way you solve the problem is compromise in both directions, despite it seeming unpalatable.

    73 million people voted for Trump, 4 million more than Obama.

    You don't ease them back to being more moderate by sterilizing them. That's when the weapons would start being used instead of toted.

    Trumps votes this time garnered him 47.3% of the vote. In 2016 he got 46.1%

    In 2008, Obama got 52.9% of the vote, in 2012, he got 51.1% of the vote. Let's stop trying to imply that Trump is more popular than Obama or take some time to understand percentages.

    In fact, Hillary got 48.2% of the vote in 2016 meaning she was more popular than Trump than and now.


  • #6441
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,526 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    normakelle wrote:
    Are you telling me if George floydd went peacefully into the squad car that he wouldn't be alive today?

    What's your point? Are you saying it's ok to murder him because he was a bit agitated?


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  • #6442
    sabat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭sabat


    Deleted User wrote: »
    That's a leap, it's a higher turnout so numbers increased, his approval ratings were dire for the entirety of his presidency. He still couldn't win the popular vote or the election for that matter. Accepted that he's lost yet?
    Padre_Pio wrote: »
    That's a leap.

    This election had the highest turnout in over 100 years, so total votes is a bad measure of popularity.
    Percentage wise though,

    52.9% voted for Obama in 2008
    51.1% voted for Obama in 2012
    46.1% for Trump in 2016
    47.2% for Trump in 2020.

    More Americans voted for Trump than Obama. That's a fact.


  • #6443
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,034 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Yea, and then out of the blue you make all those things redundant with mail in voting.
    I wanted Biden to win, but it's only because of mail in voting that he did, that's a fact.

    Let's put it another way, if everyone who voted in the 2020 election, by every method, had voted in person, Biden would still have won.

    That's a fact.


  • #6444
    Padre_Pio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    nolivesmatter wrote: »
    Should they? Maybe not. Can they? Yes.

    'Suck it up' as they say around here.

    It doesn't matter. Trump will be out on his ear in a few weeks.


  • #6445
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    sabat wrote: »
    More Americans voted for Trump than Obama. That's a fact.

    And Trump will remain a one term president. :rolleyes:


  • #6446
    Padre_Pio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    sabat wrote: »
    More Americans voted for Trump than Obama. That's a fact.

    It is a fact. But they are two different elections, so it makes no sense.

    More Americans voted for Biden than Trump. That is also a fact.
    More Americans voted for Hillary than Trump in the last election. Also a fact.

    Twice as many Americans voted for Biden than JFK. Biden must be twice as popular :rolleyes:


  • #6447
    joseywhales
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,352 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Yea, and then out of the blue you make all those things redundant with mail in voting.
    I wanted Biden to win, but it's only because of mail in voting that he did, that's a fact.

    I think you are missing the point, vote by mail is considered a legitimate method of voting, so its irrelevant whether Biden gained an advantage from mail in voting or not.

    It is like saying Biden only won because of urban voters, that's a fact. Yes this is true but does not imply voter fraud.


  • #6448
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,717 ✭ [Deleted User]


    normakelle wrote: »
    So the racism angle is the only thing you took from my post lol

    It was the first thing you said and like I said five seconds of checking the thread would have told you it was false. So why would I bother reading the rest of your post?


  • #6449
    nolivesmatter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 914 ✭✭✭nolivesmatter


    Padre_Pio wrote: »
    It doesn't matter. Trump will be out on his ear in a few weeks.

    I agree with you.


  • #6450
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,058 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    And Trump will remain a one term president. :rolleyes:

    One term impeached president who lost the popular vote twice

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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  • #6451
    km991148
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Yea, and then out of the blue you make all those things redundant with mail in voting.
    I wanted Biden to win, but it's only because of mail in voting that he did, that's a fact.

    Mail in voting is part of the system. Seriously, why is it the hundreds of thousands of people involved in the process are seen as corrupt or stupid. Most people are not like Trump and have some level of integrity.


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