Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

15-11-2020 02:59AM

I think the best thing would be to delete all posts here and go back to two weeks before the troll started again. Maybe lock the thread.

MrStuffins · 15-11-2020 03:29AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We now indulge ourselves in a warped little game called "I feel the exact opposite of what I say":

"Please for the love of god may the Vintners come through on their promise, can't stand the sight of people enjoying themselves in the local".

"I would be over the moon if the pubs remained bolted, who in their right mind drinks that brackish pisswater anyway".

Now this is just silly! I know it would suit you to think anyone with a different opinion to you is anti-pub but it's just not the case I'm afraid.

I'll be the first person in the pub when it reopens. I just hope that the Vintners don't spurn their opportunity to reopen when given the green light.

rubadub · 15-11-2020 12:42PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Why would any business trade for just 2 weeks, its nonsensical.

To make a profit, or if breaking even or even making a loss they might think it is in their interest to do so.

If most pubs remained closed then the ones that do open will have more trade than if all open, they could take bookings and ensure they are always full.

Just like a late night newsagent type shop, or takeaway opening into early hours even though fewer people might be out and about.

votecounts · 15-11-2020 01:05PM

Dickie10 wrote: »

i think cribben is 100% correct, what type of business pperson would you be to openfor two weeks absolute madness, God be with the days we were told this was only about flattening the curve and keeping the health system from crashing. i really wonder how the government are going to extricate themselves from these restrictions if the dont pull the plug on NYPHET VERY SOON. Can i remind people we are supposed to be hosting euro 2021 in june, thats just 6 months away, i get it very hard to see that we wont have king tony and co still on the news in june. things are going to have to move through the gears very quick in spring unless euro 2021 is behind closed doors without pubs and restauraunts open in dublin for matches. wouldnt that just be the most irish luck of all , the one time we host a big tournament its behind closed doors with nothing open

The typical irish thing is that we host a major tournament and we're not even in the fecking thing. Would prefer if they moved it away from dublin which they will anyway so feck euro 2021.
Level 3 at best for christmas as people cannot be trusted to do the right thing.

saabsaab · 15-11-2020 01:20PM

votecounts wrote: »

The typical irish thing is that we host a major tournament and we're not even in the fecking thing. Would prefer if they moved it away from dublin which they will anyway so feck euro 2021.
Level 3 at best for christmas as people cannot be trusted to do the right thing.

Yea, looks like it. i was talking to a landlord I know well and he said that when they reopened the last time he had a hell of a job getting some customers to comply with anything, even when told they took it badly. Said he probably lost a few customers over it and it might not be worth it. Sad, cause a like the pint out.

vojiwox · 15-11-2020 03:19PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

And you understand why they wouldn't open for just 2 weeks then yes ?

As much as you'd like your creamy tasty pint (whatever you want to call it) , 2 weeks being open then closed isn't sustainable for any business in any sector.

The whole point of the interview which you seem to miss is that they want to be given the opportunity to trade safely again and not to be told you've 2 weeks and that's it shut up shop until further notice.

Why would any business trade for just 2 weeks, its nonsensical.

Christ its like going around in circles here.

Diageo might make it worth their while. A lot of our pubs are in bed with Diageo.

If they run the numbers and can make it work, we'll all be sipping on our "pint of plain"!

tom1ie · 15-11-2020 03:46PM

So if restrictions are reduced to level 3 or 2 from dec 1st what measures have been put in place to allow outdoor dinning and outdoor drinking?
For example will they make Camden street/Wexford street one way for busses thus opening up road space for business to move outside.
Will the council then allow covered spaces to be strung from building to building, and then allow heaters, tables and chairs put outside?

Surely this should be a runner?

SteM · 15-11-2020 03:52PM

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gardai-lack-power-to-clip-wings-of-airport-drinkers-v7pws2zdg

Anyone want to own up to this? Why would anyone bother to go to so much hassle for a few pints?

The White Wolf · 15-11-2020 03:54PM

SteM wrote: »

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gardai-lack-power-to-clip-wings-of-airport-drinkers-v7pws2zdg

Anyone want to own up to this? Why would anyone bother to go to so much hassle for a few pints?

Sounds like the type of horse play that would be popular on the southside alright.

fin12 · 15-11-2020 04:33PM

SteM wrote: »

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gardai-lack-power-to-clip-wings-of-airport-drinkers-v7pws2zdg

Anyone want to own up to this? Why would anyone bother to go to so much hassle for a few pints?

Jeeze some people are pretty creative, I wouldn’t have thought of it but sure €10 how bad.

PTH2009 · 15-11-2020 04:45PM

got a few takeaway pints but only had Harp

The Airport nonsense is too much bloody hassle, a little less if you live in a place with a big airport

SteM · 15-11-2020 04:48PM

fin12 wrote: »

Jeeze some people are pretty creative, I wouldn’t have thought of it but sure €10 how bad.

According to the article they had to buy a meal too

tom1ie · 15-11-2020 05:00PM

tom1ie wrote: »

So if restrictions are reduced to level 3 or 2 from dec 1st what measures have been put in place to allow outdoor dinning and outdoor drinking?
For example will they make Camden street/Wexford street one way for busses thus opening up road space for business to move outside.
Will the council then allow covered spaces to be strung from building to building, and then allow heaters, tables and chairs put outside?

Surely this should be a runner?

Anyone?

Spanish Eyes · 15-11-2020 05:07PM

tom1ie wrote: »

So if restrictions are reduced to level 3 or 2 from dec 1st what measures have been put in place to allow outdoor dinning and outdoor drinking?
For example will they make Camden street/Wexford street one way for busses thus opening up road space for business to move outside.
Will the council then allow covered spaces to be strung from building to building, and then allow heaters, tables and chairs put outside?

Surely this should be a runner?

There should be measures in place to allow outdoor dining and drinking. Sure.

Problem is, where are the toilet facilities? Will people start dancing and mingling on the street.

Look, I'm no killjoy and would love it if there were more opportunities to socialise outdoors Winter and Summer, but as I was told forcibly on another thread, outdoor socialising will not work in our weather. I don't agree. Just look at Sth William Street over the weekend.

Could be done, can be done, but sure look it, it's all about cycle lanes now.

tom1ie · 15-11-2020 05:40PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

There should be measures in place to allow outdoor dining and drinking. Sure.

Problem is, where are the toilet facilities? Will people start dancing and mingling on the street.

Look, I'm no killjoy and would love it if there were more opportunities to socialise outdoors Winter and Summer, but as I was told forcibly on another thread, outdoor socialising will not work in our weather. I don't agree. Just look at Sth William Street over the weekend.

Could be done, can be done, but sure look it, it's all about cycle lanes now.

If they can do it in Centeral Europe we can do it here.
Re toilets, regularly cleaned toilets with Uv lights for sterilisation.
Mask wearing enforced
No toilet use unless you sanitise hands before and after use.
Cleaning after every person so that people won’t destroy public toilets.

This is all very easy to put in place yet I haven’t heard anyone from the pub trade or in public office mentioning these measures.
If they want to open why are they waiting on the government to come up with ideas?!

Spanish Eyes · 15-11-2020 05:53PM

tom1ie wrote: »

If they can do it in Centeral Europe we can do it here.
Re toilets, regularly cleaned toilets with Uv lights for sterilisation.
Mask wearing enforced
No toilet use unless you sanitise hands before and after use.
Cleaning after every person so that people won’t destroy public toilets.

This is all very easy to put in place yet I haven’t heard anyone from the pub trade or in public office mentioning these measures.
If they want to open why are they waiting on the government to come up with ideas?!

Agree, but apparently the weather in Northern Continental Europe is cold and dry, not like our blustery wet miserable winter weather. So I was told anyway.

It is down to the councils to decide to block off streets for outdoor socialising. DCC did it in South William Street, and from twitter pics it was rammed Friday and Saturday, but the amount of rubbish left behind was awful.

Cork city did similar, and is a great success from what I hear.

I have always thought that Dublin (my city) had very few options to eat or socialise outside even before Covid. The publicans and restauranteurs should be banging down the doors of Wood Quay to get street and pavement space. It is the way of the future, and is everywhere in Continental Europe even in what we would consider to be cold places. They heat them, make them inviting, so I also wonder what the roadblock is in places like Dublin.

El_Duderino 09 · 15-11-2020 05:53PM

tom1ie wrote: »

If they can do it in Centeral Europe we can do it here.
Re toilets, regularly cleaned toilets with Uv lights for sterilisation.
Mask wearing enforced
No toilet use unless you sanitise hands before and after use.
Cleaning after every person so that people won’t destroy public toilets.

This is all very easy to put in place yet I haven’t heard anyone from the pub trade or in public office mentioning these measures.
If they want to open why are they waiting on the government to come up with ideas?!

A series of portaloos and the urinal versions they have at events, would be a good start. The pubs unions seem to be a very conservative bunch. They seem to be fighting the last war. Threatening to not open if the will be closed again if the virus surges again, is a really weak threat.

They could be doing something sensible like planning for outdoor areas and facilities. But offering forward thinking solutions that doesn’t seem to be their way.

hynesie08 · 15-11-2020 06:00PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

A series of portaloos and the urinal versions they have at events, would be a good start. The pubs unions seem to be a very conservative bunch. They seem to be fighting the last war. Threatening to not open if the will be closed again if the virus surges again, is a really weak threat.

They could be doing something sensible like planning for outdoor areas and facilities. But offering forward thinking solutions that doesn’t seem to be their way.

And if something happens in those portaloos who's responsible if 8 pubs are sharing the cost?

If you put them outside you need at least 2 extra staff. Not very viable if your numbers are limited to 15.

How many pubs do you know have the outdoor space to implement this?

South William St was an example of what could be possible, but you need more than a forward thinking government and city Council backing.

El_Duderino 09 · 15-11-2020 06:33PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

And if something happens in those portaloos who's responsible if 8 pubs are sharing the cost?

If you put them outside you need at least 2 extra staff. Not very viable if your numbers are limited to 15.

How many pubs do you know have the outdoor space to implement this?

South William St was an example of what could be possible, but you need more than a forward thinking government and city Council backing.

If they don’t make any arrangements then they can save all the staff costs by not opening at all.

Not all pubs are in the city centre. Lots of pubs have some space. I wonder if the pubs unions would oppose some of the pubs who can do those things, from pushing ahead. Their angle still seems to be to open pubs with minimal distancing and not closing them to help bring the transmission rate down. In other words, they’re not showing any signs of looking for creative practical solutions.

tom1ie · 15-11-2020 06:34PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

And if something happens in those portaloos who's responsible if 8 pubs are sharing the cost?

If you put them outside you need at least 2 extra staff. Not very viable if your numbers are limited to 15.

How many pubs do you know have the outdoor space to implement this?

South William St was an example of what could be possible, but you need more than a forward thinking government and city Council backing.

Already stated it would involve councils handing over space from vehicles to pedestrians.

Each pub takes ownership of a certain amount of Portaloos.

Extra staff costs are factored in to business costs. Why would it take more than two staff?
How do you know this isn’t viable.

We need solutions not roadblocks over easily solved issues.

You can’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

DulchieLaois · 15-11-2020 06:36PM

Why can’t NPHET close Dublin and Donegal and let the country get on and enjoy their lives as they abide the rules

Fann Linn · 15-11-2020 06:37PM

DulchieLaois wrote: »

Why can’t NPHET close Dublin and Donegal and let the country get on and enjoy their lives as they abide the rules

Because it's Leo and Co that run the country.

hynesie08 · 15-11-2020 06:48PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Already stated it would involve councils handing over space from vehicles to pedestrians.

Agreed, but you can't make plans based on what you hope the city council will do.

Each pub takes ownership of a certain amount of Portaloos.

Possible, if you are allowed physically close off the area.

Extra staff costs are factored in to business costs. Why would it take more than two staff?
How do you know this isn’t viable.

If it's in a public, unblocked area, at the very least you need security and a cleaner. If you're only allowed 15 people that's just not Doable.

We need solutions not roadblocks over easily solved issues.

Agreed, but it's not the publicans causing the roadblocks, they've changed everything from their layouts to their business models to stay afloat, only to constantly have the goal posts shifted, and if the government give them a set of rules to operate under, some will make it work, some won't open. But i wouldn't want to be gambling the mortgage on what they might let you do.....

the rock29 · 15-11-2020 06:57PM

Dublin has a low R rate per head of population so why close it the problems seem to be border county's so why close the county's who are doing well people need a little normal and business needs to reopen to employ staff

tom1ie · 15-11-2020 06:57PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Agreed, but you can't make plans based on what you hope the city council will do.

Possible, if you are allowed physically close off the area.

If it's in a public, unblocked area, at the very least you need security and a cleaner. If you're only allowed 15 people that's just not Doable.

Agreed, but it's not the publicans causing the roadblocks, they've changed everything from their layouts to their business models to stay afloat, only to constantly have the goal posts shifted, and if the government give them a set of rules to operate under, some will make it work, some won't open. But i wouldn't want to be gambling the mortgage on what they might let you do.....

But someone needs to offer an alternative. If not the business owners/ representative then who?

the rock29 · 15-11-2020 07:01PM

The government need to offer the alternative business owners have spent a lot of money getting there premises up to code where it be staff training hand cleaning stations etc and are not aloud open if you owned a business would you open for fifteen people certainly not after all your changes to open told to you by government guide lines

tom1ie · 15-11-2020 07:11PM

the rock29 wrote: »

The government need to offer the alternative business owners have spent a lot of money getting there premises up to code where it be staff training hand cleaning stations etc and are not aloud open if you owned a business would you open for fifteen people certainly not after all your changes to open told to you by government guide lines

Why though?
Why wait on the government!
They will change depending on what the masses want. That’s how it works.
If the pub trade offer an alternative that makes sense to the masses the government have to go with it.
Waiting on the government =closed premises.

hynesie08 · 15-11-2020 07:31PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Why though?
Why wait on the government!
They will change depending on what the masses want. That’s how it works.
If the pub trade offer an alternative that makes sense to the masses the government have to go with it.
Waiting on the government =closed premises.

Except that's not how it works, you can't buy a dozen barriers, 6 portaloos, some industrial heaters and a marquee and hope the council/government will cave because the masses want it.

Pubs have come up with alternatives throughout all this, but it's all for nothing when the government are working off a 5 point plan that is neither 5 points nor a plan......

MrStuffins · 15-11-2020 07:49PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Pubs have come up with alternatives throughout all this, but it's all for nothing when the government are working off a 5 point plan that is neither 5 points nor a plan......

Remember when pubs were open with restrictions and a large portion of people, in a weird Trump-like sense of self-delusion, were refusing to acknowledge that they were open at all and missed out on delicious pints?

I wonder would they snap the Govt's hand off at the opportunity to avail of open pubs with those restrictions now?

the rock29 · 15-11-2020 07:53PM

Pubs can't open without government go ahead or face fines or loosing there licence so who gives them the go ahead so how can they work a alternative plan if they can't open to see if it works

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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