Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

HSE goes on about distancing. So businesses aren't doing anything wrong by distancing and barriers. If they go against HSE advice, it can become a liability issue. The HSE needs to cut the crap and make masks mandatory in all indoor work areas.

Also at least 2 of the present clusters pushing numbers up , are down to employers not allowing close contacts of cases to stay at home from work... and guess what ? One of the employers IS the HSE !

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Numbers going up. Is this pointing to level 6 or level 5 for a few more weeks?

What's level 6? Turn off the sun and shoot everyone who leaves their porch?

Miike wrote: »

What's level 6? Turn off the sun and shoot everyone who leaves their porch?

Schools and construction plus shoot to kill on house parties/communions.

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Numbers going up. Is this pointing to level 6 or level 5 for a few more weeks?

Numbers continue to go down, The 7-day average is 397 cases per day, last Saturday it was 501 cases per day, two week ago 773 and three weeks ago it was 1176.

Always_Running wrote: »

Numbers continue to go down, The 7-day average is 397 cases per day, last Saturday it was 501 cases per day, two week ago 773 and three weeks ago it was 1176.

All very true, but with today's figure the 5 day average has risen, don't just take my word for it:

"Analysis of today's data shows the 5-day moving average of case numbers has increased from 354 to 392," said Chief Medical Officer Dr Tony Holohan.

"We have seen higher numbers in recent days than we expected based on the encouraging trends of the last three weeks. We are concerned that this progress is at risk.

Now, I'm not jumping in two footed and jumping to conclusions immediately that were definitely off track. It could be a blip. It might not be a blip. But the figures over the last day or two are definitely worth a pause for thought IMO.

Arghus wrote: »

All very true, but with today's figure the 5 day average has risen, don't just take my word for it:

But the 6 day figure is down from 384 to 374.
They flick from the 5/7/14 day average to pick the worst one and report that.
If the cases tomorrow are less than 269, the 5 day average will drop, so they will look at some other stat and report that instead.

I completely understand their motive for reporting that way, we need everyone on guard and seeing reducing cases day after day will cause people to me less compliant.

I at least hope with cases getting lower and the fact they are contact tracing back 7 days, they will be able to see where cases are arising from.

Deleted User wrote: »

There is no scientific proof that lockdowns work. It may work if they close everything, have big public buy in and are prepared to cancel Christmas and go through weeks/months of lockdown until cases drop low.

Not sustainable and not gonna happen imo.

The scientific proof is the effect it has on numbers, they reduce. How much more scientific do you need to get.

Deleted User wrote: »

There is no scientific proof that lockdowns work. It may work if they close everything, have big public buy in and are prepared to cancel Christmas and go through weeks/months of lockdown until cases drop low.

Not sustainable and not gonna happen imo.

There's a million scientific papers on how lockdowns have lowered the virus numbers, and it's plainly obvious to anyone who is not a scientist that lockdowns slow the spread. This isn't the restrictions thread where that sort of nonsense can be posted as fact.

Miike wrote: »

What's level 6? Turn off the sun and shoot everyone who leaves their porch?

It's not Trump's wet dream

Deleted User wrote: »

So this version of lockdown is certainly not working the way Government/NPHET had hoped.

Likely NPHET wanted to go further, including closing schools, but had to accept political reality (and still believe the current approach will eventually get us to where we want to be).

Deleted User wrote: »

They also reduced in countries that had no lockdown.

Which countries have had no restrictions? Can you provide the data to back up your assertion?

niallo27 wrote: »

Could we see something similar here in the next few months. Lot of people struggling out there.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/japan-suicide-coronavirus-more-japanese-suicides-in-october-than-total-covid-deaths/

People taking their own life do so out of choice in the main.

Nobody wakes up one day and says, “yes today I wish to get Covid and die from it or get sick”

Antares35 wrote: »

Because let kids be kids Yadda yadda. They don't get covid, don't spread covid and anyway they have those magical pods in the classroom that negate any transmission that occurs outside the classroom like when they are all huddled at bus stops and outside shops. Kids are all that matter did you not know that...

The only person I've heard say that was Trump. Make of that as you will.
On the kids and covid, absolutely nobody (except Trump) has said they can't get or transmit covid, nobody has said schools are safe. They have said schools don't seem to drive infections and actually the rate of infection in schoolkids is lower than the general population.

It's about balancing risks and rewards.... close schools and open pubs or open schools and close pubs? It's a very simple choice. Even the hardened alcoholic can see that? I mean off licences are still opened and cheaper than a pub!