Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

brookers · 14-11-2020 09:31PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

One of the most tragic cases to come out of this pandemic was actor Nick Cordeo, when I want to be reminded how lethal covid can be, I think Cordeo's case always comes back me, diagnosed positive in March he was hospitalised on 30th and spent 3 months in hospital, he had to get his right leg amputated in April 18th due to a blood clot caused by the virus and in May he had to get a tracheostomy as his lungs were affected and he finally kicked the bucket in July 5th at the age of 41. To me anyway, that was a bloody long stretch in hospital and he has to be one of the most unluckiest victims of this virus. So yep I taking this bloody vaccine, saying that, that is a real worse case scenario regarding Cordeo.

Down the line, if you dont take the vaccine if it is readily available and are not taking measures to protect yourself, hand washing, mask wearing, social distancing etc. and you get covid, will the treatment you receive in hospital be still free or will you have to have private insurance or a medical card. Will you be paid unemployment benefit if you get covid and cant work........Just wondering

Goldengirl · 14-11-2020 09:31PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Sure the gardai could always move groups on under public order legislation, didn't need any new powers to do so and I don't think they have any new powers unless its an organised event.

People drinking pints outside has been going on a good while so don't see a problem with it myself tbh

And I thought they do now have the powers to stop gatherings , which is what I was posting about ,
not people sitting on a wall having a pint ?

stephenjmcd · 14-11-2020 09:31PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Ah you'll have the usual gobshxxx jumping on this to say leave the kids alone blah .
Some of these groups are more than just " drinking pints outside " which I have no problem with by the way , just keep your distance and keep in mind that businesses and hospitals and everyone else is depending on this lockdown to bring down numbers .
A little more effort from some is all that is being asked .

By the way not calling you a gobshxxx , edit :0

Yup fully get where your coming from here.

Haha no worries

screamer · 14-11-2020 09:32PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

It is a pain and an inconvenience I agree .
But they need to show some solidarity towards those other businesses that are not allowed trade .
It would be a disgrace if big companies like Dunnes and Tesco were allowed trade completely as normal with non essential items on sale in these circumstances .
It's not as if we won't be able to buy these items in a few weeks time .

Problem is, a lot of people will not wait to see if we will actually be allowed to buy these non esential things and money has been flying out of the economy as people buy from amazon etc. Great own goal by the government, solidarity over economy. We can’t eat that.....,,, but we have to suck it up. Ridiculously ill thought out.

Goldengirl · 14-11-2020 09:40PM

brookers wrote: »

Down the line, if you dont take the vaccine if it is readily available and are not taking measures to protect yourself, hand washing, mask wearing, social distancing etc. and you get covid, will the treatment you receive in hospital be still free or will you have to have private insurance or a medical card. Will you be paid unemployment benefit if you get covid and cant work........Just wondering

Yes , you would .

niallo27 · 14-11-2020 09:40PM

Wasn't the point of the lockdown to stop hospitals from being overwhelmed which seems to be working quiet well.

14-11-2020 09:41PM

It’s a train wreck now watching this. I could have told them myself that lockdown wouldn’t work without everything closed and huge public support.

People are voting to move on. Destroying the economy is a waste of time at this point.

MrMusician18 · 14-11-2020 09:43PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It’s a train wreck now watching this. I could have told them myself that lockdown wouldn’t work without everything closed and huge public support.

People are voting to move on. Destroying the economy is a waste of time at this point.

The economy hasn't been destroyed.

alentejo · 14-11-2020 09:45PM

I think the public need a quick explaination as to the exact cause for the very recent rise in cases

MrMusician18 · 14-11-2020 09:47PM

alentejo wrote: »

I think the public need a quick explaination as to the exact cause for the very recent rise in cases

I'll explain it quickly so. It's rising because a large number of people are ignoring the regulations partially or completely.

Goldengirl · 14-11-2020 09:48PM

screamer wrote: »

Problem is, a lot of people will not wait to see if we will actually be allowed to buy these non esential things and money has been flying out of the economy as people buy from amazon etc. Great own goal by the government, solidarity over economy. We can’t eat that.....,,, but we have to suck it up. Ridiculously ill thought out.

Any metrics I have seen and I am not a financial head

we are going to be ok , and certainly not economically down the toilet as some keep saying here.
Government able to borrow as much as they need to buy our way out of this , interest rates zero and our debt is being underwritten by EU along with every other European country .
A lot of people buy from Amazon at this time of year every year anyway ,and I know a lot of people are trying to buy Irish as much as possible .
Government had no choice , are you for real ? Look at the rest of the world?

igCorcaigh · 14-11-2020 09:49PM

There are also a lot of businesses still open (pubs, restaurants) where staff are coming in every day. Not all wearing masks and in a small enclosed space.

Goldengirl · 14-11-2020 09:52PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

There are also a lot of businesses still open (pubs, restaurants) where staff are coming in every day. Not all wearing masks and in a small enclosed space.

?? Are they not ?

alentejo · 14-11-2020 09:53PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

I'll explain it quickly so. It's rising because a large number of people are ignoring the regulations partially or completely.

You may be right, however need hard evidence to pin point exactly where rises are occurring

owlbethere · 14-11-2020 09:54PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Wasn't the point of the lockdown to stop hospitals from being overwhelmed which seems to be working quiet well.

I think the point of this lockdown is to get the numbers down to as low as possible before the Christmas because NHPET and the government anticipate an increase in close contacts and gatherings. Its better to go into the Christmas period with low numbers than higher case numbers.

owlbethere · 14-11-2020 09:56PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Any metrics I have seen and I am not a financial head we are going to be ok , and certainly not economically down the toilet as some keep saying here.
Government able to borrow as much as they need to buy our way out of this , interest rates zero and our debt is being underwritten by EU along with every other European country .
A lot of people buy from Amazon at this time of year every year anyway ,and I know a lot of people are trying to buy Irish as much as possible .
Government had no choice , are you for real ? Look at the rest of the world?

2008 - 2010 was the bank bailout
2020 - the peoples bailout - saving us from sickness and disease

Away With The Fairies · 14-11-2020 09:57PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

There are also a lot of businesses still open (pubs, restaurants) where staff are coming in every day. Not all wearing masks and in a small enclosed space.

There's also taxi drivers going around without face masks with a plastic screen behind them but it's not a tightly sealed screen blocking the front from the back. Foggy windows in their cars so that's their warm breath filling up their car and not a window open. And if they're infected and pick up passengers. It's beyond me how masks haven't been made mandatory in all workplaces.

ACitizenErased · 14-11-2020 09:58PM

owlbethere wrote: »

I think the point of this lockdown is to get the numbers down to as low as possible before the Christmas because NHPET and the government anticipate an increase in close contacts and gatherings. Its better to go into the Christmas period with low numbers than higher case numbers.

The point of restrictions is to protect the health service.
No other reason.
Conclusion: It's working.

igCorcaigh · 14-11-2020 10:02PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

?? Are they not ?

I passed a place being renovated yesterday, two staff inside not wearing masks. Next door, a takeaway. Same story.

Goldengirl · 14-11-2020 10:06PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

There's also taxi drivers going around without face masks with a plastic screen behind them but it's not a tightly sealed screen blocking the front from the back. Foggy windows in their cars so that's their warm breath filling up their car and not a window open. And if they're infected and pick up passengers. It's beyond me how masks haven't been made mandatory in all workplaces.

I thought they were but it seems to be guidelines only , which as Mr Musician rightly said , are not being adhered to .

Will people not cop on ..this is why L3 was dropped for L5 ?

If these restrictions are not adhered to we will not be getting out of this until we have vaccines , and then not even , if you have some fools not getting vaccinated.

Eod100 · 14-11-2020 10:06PM

Gotta love the German sense of humour:

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1327718075370786816

owlbethere · 14-11-2020 10:12PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Gotta love the German sense of humour:

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1327718075370786816

Oh my god, I love that ad so much.

Goldengirl · 14-11-2020 10:12PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The point of restrictions is to protect the health service.
No other reason.
Conclusion: It's working.

That part is correct as regards hospitalisation.
However the other poster is correct about the other reason , as you know , so I don't know why you say that ?
Case numbers were too high to be going into the Christmas season with and their aim is to get them as low as possible so when they inevitably go up in the New Year, we are not catapulted straight back into another crisis .

ACitizenErased · 14-11-2020 10:20PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

That part is correct as regards hospitalisation.
However the other poster is correct about the other reason , as you know , so I don't know why you say that ?
Case numbers were too high to be going into the Christmas season with and their aim is to get them as low as possible so when they inevitably go up in the New Year, we are not catapulted straight back into another crisis .

I think if it was any other time of the year we'd have the exact same restrictions, to be honest. Hospitals were beginning to feel a bit of stress.

wadacrack · 14-11-2020 10:26PM

Well know hip Hop artist, only 33

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1327722957284716544

Gael23 · 14-11-2020 10:28PM

wadacrack wrote: »

Well know hip Hop artist, only 33

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1327722957284716544

Not going to end well.

Away With The Fairies · 14-11-2020 10:31PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

I thought they were but it seems to be guidelines only , which as Mr Musician rightly said , are not being adhered to .

Will people not cop on ..this is why L3 was dropped for L5 ?

If these restrictions are not adhered to we will not be getting out of this until we have vaccines , and then not even , if you have some fools not getting vaccinated.

HSE goes on about distancing. So businesses aren't doing anything wrong by distancing and barriers. If they go against HSE advice, it can become a liability issue. The HSE needs to cut the crap and make masks mandatory in all indoor work areas.

lemonTrees · 14-11-2020 10:33PM

wadacrack wrote: »

Well know hip Hop artist, only 33

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1327722957284716544

Holy sh1t

Goldengirl · 14-11-2020 10:34PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I think if it was any other time of the year we'd have the exact same restrictions, to be honest. Hospitals were beginning to feel a bit of stress.

Just a bit , yes

Miike · 14-11-2020 10:37PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

HSE goes on about distancing. So businesses aren't doing anything wrong by distancing and barriers. If they go against HSE advice, it can become a liability issue. The HSE needs to cut the crap and make masks mandatory in all indoor work areas.

The HSE should concern them selves with ensuring mask compliance in clinical work places first and foremost.

Public Health messages need to be clearer and more firm when it comes to the general public. I firmly believe communication on all COVID19 related issues is dismally abysmal. As an example only: Instead of "Don't wear masks" to "Wear masks" I think there should be brief explanations on why we did that turn around and give a brief summary of evidence/research as seen on the international scale which influenced these turn arounds. This could be done through ads or even every month in briefings.

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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