Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

Carfacemandog · 13-11-2020 07:31PM

km991148 wrote: »

And then they have the audacity to say "Big Tech" are censoring..

Yeah ok.. never mind they have they have been the biggest enablers of all sorts of wacky shyte.. why??

Because more crazy=more response=more views= more ad revenue..

It's also particularly tricky when he is the president of the US - I wouldn't be shocked to see his account gien by the end of Biden's first 10 days. Twitter are far from perfect, but generally do seem more proa tive than most when it comes to this kind of thing.

Facebook on the other hand, now there's a real enabler.

13-11-2020 07:34PM

hmmm wrote: »

The law firm handling Trump's Pennsylvania legal challenges have resigned. Legal firms don't turn down money very often.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/13/business/porter-wright-trump-pennsylvania.html

Eh aren't they working for free or a promise of payment, which with trump often means for free anyway?

jmayo · 13-11-2020 07:36PM

km991148 wrote: »

Exactly. All this talk about strategy and grifting and everything else is s nonsense.

The only strategy is a broken ego fighting for survival.
It has to uphold the illusion of not being a loser.

It is not just about losing.
Yes he is a very sore loser or has always played it that he didn't lose at business, but just decided to close a business down.
Of course the creditors had effectively told him.

There is a lot more at stake.
He could seriously be facing jail and real financial pain.

There is distinct possibility the IRS might finally start crawling up his ass and the start really looking into the kids as well.

Then there is all the dodgy deals like was it routing unofficial money through the campaign to pay off Stormy.

And the big one is Obstruction of Justice that Mueller referred to.

Now usually an ex President is never gone after.
Hell Ford pardoned old Nixon, but they were the same party.

Trump has pi**ed off so many people, has fired so many prosecutors including the likes of Geoffrey Berman and Preet Bharara in New York where Trump has been based.
Vance in New York is supposedly building a case against the Trump organisation.

Biden may decide to not want to stir up the Trump support base, but on the other hand a lot of Democrats, Harris included, want retribution and would love their day in court.

If they think Trump is going to run again or one of the spawn want to run they might decide to put some nails in their coffin.

jackboy · 13-11-2020 07:38PM

Tell me how wrote: »

The optics led to a FB page called 'Stop the Steal' with 350,000 members calling for violence against democrats/liberals.

Over 70M people have watched what has gone on since the election and think that their democracy has been stolen from them because of Trump and his acolytes including media representatives and senior Senate and House officials saying the same thing.

350,000 members calling for violence against democrats yet there has been close to no violence. Those numbers do not add up.

uncleoswald · 13-11-2020 07:43PM

WrenBoy wrote: »

Business as usual..

Biden voted for the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, which resulted in 7,037 American troop fatalities and 53,117 American troop injuries. About 84 percent of Afghanistan casualties (19,350 of 23,113) occurred under Obama/Biden, while 95 percent of Iraq casualties (35,182 of 37,041) occurred under Bush/Cheney. Only 1 percent of all casualties occurred under Trump/Pence.

After eight years of Obama/Biden The Institute for Economics and Peace’s Global Peace Index reported a decade-long decline in peace, with terrorism at an all-time high, battle deaths from conflict at a 25-year high and the number of refugees at a level not seen in 60 years.

The U.S. State Department reported a 34 percent growth in foreign terrorist organizations since Obama/Biden took office in 2009, with about 75 percent of them operating in Muslim-majority countries.
and decisions detrimentally affected the U.S. economy, U.S. national security, and international peace and security.

Freedom House reported that as of 2016, global freedom had declined for 10 consecutive years, with press freedom at its lowest point in 12 years. Of the world’s 7.3 billion people at the time, only 40 percent lived in freedom and only 13 percent enjoyed a free press.

The Obama/Biden reset policy with Russia (2009-2013) backfired as Russia annexed Crimea from Ukraine in 2014 and entered the Syria civil war in 2015, which eventually allowed the Kremlin to establish long-term agreements for a Russian airbase and seaport in that country.

The administration’s Libyan misadventure turned into a disaster, with four American diplomats murdered in Benghazi and Libya becoming a failed state.

Obama’s defense secretary, Robert Gates, raised serious questions about Biden’s security judgments. In his 2014 book, “Duty: Memoirs of a Secretary at War,” Gates wrote that “he (Biden) has been wrong on nearly every foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades.”

Criticising Biden is not support of Trump and all his policies. Will any criticism of Joe in the future be answered with well you must be a far right Trumpist Racist ?

If you are going to plagiarise complete articles at least give the credit to the source:

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/522480-is-america-ready-to-return-to-the-obama-biden-foreign-policy

I don't think you are going to find many people on here that claim that a Biden presidency will be all sunshine and rainbows. But a big delusion among Trump supporters is that he has fought against the military industrial complex, which is bullsh*t.

lemonTrees · 13-11-2020 07:45PM

WrenBoy wrote: »

Business as usual..

Biden voted for the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, which resulted in 7,037 American troop fatalities and 53,117 American troop injuries. About 84 percent of Afghanistan casualties (19,350 of 23,113) occurred under Obama/Biden, while 95 percent of Iraq casualties (35,182 of 37,041) occurred under Bush/Cheney. Only 1 percent of all casualties occurred under Trump/Pence.

After eight years of Obama/Biden The Institute for Economics and Peace’s Global Peace Index reported a decade-long decline in peace, with terrorism at an all-time high, battle deaths from conflict at a 25-year high and the number of refugees at a level not seen in 60 years.

The U.S. State Department reported a 34 percent growth in foreign terrorist organizations since Obama/Biden took office in 2009, with about 75 percent of them operating in Muslim-majority countries.
and decisions detrimentally affected the U.S. economy, U.S. national security, and international peace and security.

Freedom House reported that as of 2016, global freedom had declined for 10 consecutive years, with press freedom at its lowest point in 12 years. Of the world’s 7.3 billion people at the time, only 40 percent lived in freedom and only 13 percent enjoyed a free press.

The Obama/Biden reset policy with Russia (2009-2013) backfired as Russia annexed Crimea from Ukraine in 2014 and entered the Syria civil war in 2015, which eventually allowed the Kremlin to establish long-term agreements for a Russian airbase and seaport in that country.

The administration’s Libyan misadventure turned into a disaster, with four American diplomats murdered in Benghazi and Libya becoming a failed state.

Obama’s defense secretary, Robert Gates, raised serious questions about Biden’s security judgments. In his 2014 book, “Duty: Memoirs of a Secretary at War,” Gates wrote that “he (Biden) has been wrong on nearly every foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades.”

Criticising Biden is not support of Trump and all his policies. Will any criticism of Joe in the future be answered with well you must be a far right Trumpist Racist ?

Excellent post

uncleoswald · 13-11-2020 07:47PM

lemonTrees wrote: »

Excellent post

except it's not his... See above

km991148 · 13-11-2020 07:47PM

Carfacemandog wrote: »

It's also particularly tricky when he is the president of the US - I wouldn't be shocked to see his account gien by the end of Biden's first 10 days. Twitter are far from perfect, but generally do seem more proa tive than most when it comes to this kind of thing.

Facebook on the other hand, now there's a real enabler.

Why do you say that? Because of the warnings they put on posts..? that's all for show and means very little tbh. I wouldn't be surprised if the warnings actual allow more of the false content to spread (They would have tested this before hand). I am sure the psychology of it must be akin to when you tell a kid not to do something.. when has a warning not made something more desirable.

The content is allowed and promoted and spreads like wildfire. Generating lots of lovely views and shares and everything else, which they then go on to use this information to sell back to the very people posting this guff.

Its a self sustaining market place of misinformation.

lemonTrees · 13-11-2020 07:50PM

uncleoswald wrote: »

except it's not his... See above

Where did I say it was?

I said it's an excellent post.

Timberrrrrrrr · 13-11-2020 07:53PM

jackboy wrote: »

350,000 members calling for violence against democrats yet there has been close to no violence. Those numbers do not add up.

Because most of them would be Internet warriors, you see it on all social media, people mouthing off "i would break his/her legs" or "Fùcker needs a baseball bat to the face". All talk no action, its the 1 or 2 % that you have to worry about.

Inquitus · 13-11-2020 07:56PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

its the 1 or 2 % that you have to worry about.

Aye and the fact they have AR15's et al in the US, not merely baseball bats!

13-11-2020 07:57PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Also in relation to press freedom, Trump has actively spent his presidency attacking the press. The likes of the Maga bomber existed as a result of his rhetoric. His main target was the press, specifically outlets that Trump attacked.

Was leaving those points open for the poster to bring to the thread as part of their arguments, as the issue is of such concern to them and they are not biased towards any specific candidate.

robinph · 13-11-2020 08:02PM

km991148 wrote: »

Why do you say that? Because of the warnings they put on posts..? that's all for show and means very little tbh. I wouldn't be surprised if the warnings actual allow more of the false content to spread (They would have tested this before hand). I am sure the psychology of it must be akin to when you tell a kid not to do something.. when has a warning not made something more desirable.

The content is allowed and promoted and spreads like wildfire. Generating lots of lovely views and shares and everything else, which they then go on to use this information to sell back to the very people posting this guff.

Its a self sustaining market place of misinformation.

Twitter have said that after the 20th January Trumps account won't be considered protected due to being a "person of interest" and will just be dealt with as a normal person. So rather than the warnings about him lying on the posts they will just delete them as his words are no longer needing to be recorded due to him being president. Piss twitter off enough and they will just delete him.

13-11-2020 08:03PM

The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs leaves a pretty clear message on how they won't support a tyrant or dictator...

https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1327268753252429824

13-11-2020 08:10PM

briany wrote: »

I imagine Lionel Hutz being on the payroll as part of the Trump legal team.

Lionel Hutz is far too competent to get involved in this nonsense

AllForIt · 13-11-2020 08:11PM

According to CNN Biden's victory has prevented a 2nd Holocaust and probably WW3. Phew.

https://twitter.com/darrengrimes_/status/1327297078880559104

Tchaikovsky · 13-11-2020 08:11PM

meep wrote: »

Brian Tyler Cohen is a leftie YouTuber, but, unlike a lot of them, not a complete looney. I've found his analysis to be relatively sober and well considered and find him to be a good touchstone for the logical left pov.

Anyway, here's short offering from him that packs a lot of info into a short enough clip. Turns out the Republican officials in PA are refuting all the Trump nonsense, on Fox of all places;

https://youtu.be/P5PCZJxuvhY

Just thought that was a good summary of where everything seems to be at.

You say that a lot of lefty Youtubers are "looney"; can you give an example of who you're referring to, as a left-wing equivalent of, say Alex Jones, Ben Shapiro, Dave Rubin, Tomi Lahren?

nolivesmatter · 13-11-2020 08:16PM

AllForIt wrote: »

According to CNN Biden's victory has prevented a 2nd Holocaust and probably WW3. Phew.

https://twitter.com/darrengrimes_/status/1327297078880559104

CNN are truly an embarrassment.

Inquitus · 13-11-2020 08:18PM

Tchaikovsky wrote: »

You say that a lot of lefty Youtubers are "looney"; can you give an example of who you're referring to, as a left-wing equivalent of, say Alex Jones, Ben Shapiro, Dave Rubin, Tomi Lahren?

There, thankfully, is only one Alex Jones, and it's quite enough!

Loafing Oaf · 13-11-2020 08:21PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Works on contingency?

No! Money down!

13-11-2020 08:23PM

AllForIt wrote: »

According to CNN Biden's victory has prevented a 2nd Holocaust and probably WW3. Phew.

https://twitter.com/darrengrimes_/status/1327297078880559104

That's not remotely what she states, drawing parallels between Nazism and Trump's administration is perfectly fine. It doesn't mean you're claiming a holocaust or WW3 is occurring. Eg the Yale historian Timothy Snyder has drawn the parallels.

https://www.vox.com/conversations/2017/5/22/15663268/donald-trump-democracy-timothy-snyder-fascism-truth

It's weird how you guys are actively ignoring his efforts to undermine a democratic election. :eek: Goebbels would love the fake news strategy. Lügenpresse or the lying press...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lying_press

Tell me how · 13-11-2020 08:24PM

AllForIt wrote: »

According to CNN Biden's victory has prevented a 2nd Holocaust and probably WW3. Phew.

nolivesmatter wrote: »

CNN are truly an embarrassment.

CNN never said that, they said that the burning of books 82 years ago was the start of an attack on the values of 'Facts, knowledge, history and truth'.

Have you guys been asleep for 4 years, or watching Fox?

Guy:Incognito · 13-11-2020 08:24PM

Inquitus wrote: »

There, thankfully, is only one Alex Jones, and it's quite enough!

There's 2. But I only recognise the hot Welsh one.

Loafing Oaf · 13-11-2020 08:27PM

Inquitus wrote: »

There, thankfully, is only one Alex Jones, and it's quite enough!

I beg to differ

nolivesmatter · 13-11-2020 08:34PM

Tell me how wrote: »

CNN never said that, they said that the burning of books 82 years ago was the start of an attack on the values of 'Facts, knowledge, history and truth'.

Have you guys been asleep for 4 years, or watching Fox?

Give over. Nothing in the US during Trumps time has been like Kristallnacht. Except maybe BLM tbh.

Media sensationalism.

Edit: By BLM I'm referring specifically to the rioting/violence, not the peaceful protests.

bewareofthedog · 13-11-2020 08:35PM

Tchaikovsky wrote: »

You say that a lot of lefty Youtubers are "looney"; can you give an example of who you're referring to, as a left-wing equivalent of, say Alex Jones, Ben Shapiro, Dave Rubin, Tomi Lahren?

There's certaintly a few of them like Keith Olbermann. Imo a lot of the grifters on the left do it in a more sneaky non confrontational way, for example that guy who made off millions off a book about how Trump colluded with Russia - he has a questionable history of jumping on things to make money.

lemonTrees · 13-11-2020 08:36PM

nolivesmatter wrote: »

CNN are truly an embarrassment.

They are as much a part of the problem as the Trump's of this world. Only interested in dividing not uniting

Inquitus · 13-11-2020 08:36PM

nolivesmatter wrote: »

Give over. Nothing in the US during Trumps time has been like Kristallnacht. Except maybe BLM tbh.

Media sensationalism.

It's time for you to move on......to the next step of the Kübler-Ross!

nolivesmatter · 13-11-2020 08:40PM

Inquitus wrote: »

It's time for you to move on......to the next step of the Kübler-Ross!

lol Which step do you think I'm in?

PropJoe10 · 13-11-2020 08:42PM

Biden 306-232 Trump. Not even a close race. Flipping 5 states is a great achievement for Biden and his campaign. Plus a 5.5 million surplus in the popular vote. Regardless of what Trump and his mindless sycophants are saying, this is a solid and clear victory.

Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

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