Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

Overheal · 12-11-2020 08:17PM

briany wrote: »

If someone had been frozen in 2012 and was just brought out of stasis now, and you showed them the content of Trump's tweets (especially lately), they'd just assume that he'd gone the way poor auld Jim Corr's gone. The whole being President of the United States thing would come as a massive shock.

That said, it's been nearly 4 years and I still find it a gobsmacker.

Donald Trump!? The ACTOR??

Then who's the Vice President? Omorosa!?

I suppose Melania Trump is the First Lady! And Glenn Beck is the Secretary of the Treasury. I've got enough practical jokes for one evening. Good night, future boy!

Sparko · 12-11-2020 08:21PM

Gunmonkey wrote: »

Always has. Remember when he threw a strop when the photos of his inauguration were shown to have far far fewer people than Obamas?

Has he legitimately ever been told "No!" in his life? The epitome of the spoiled child who has never had to go without and every pathetic whim catered to. And then wrapped up in a delusional fantasy where he is this slick operator, the smartest man in the room and can run rings round everyone with his business savvy.

I would imagine Biden's inauguration will probably be kept small due to covid, Trump absolutely won't be there but I'm certain he'll be tweeting up a storm about the size of his inauguration crowd by comparison.

briany · 12-11-2020 08:22PM

Overheal wrote: »

Donald Trump!? The ACTOR??

Then who's the Vice President? Omorosa!?

I suppose Melania Trump is the First Lady! And Glenn Beck is the Secretary of the Treasury. I've got enough practical jokes for one evening. Good night, future boy!

I read that Ronald Reagan watched Back to the Future in the WH cinema room and laughed so hard at the joke made about him that he had the projectionist rewind the film and play it again.

Something tells me Donald Trump would not react so favourably.

12-11-2020 08:25PM

Boggles wrote: »

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1326920264203046915

A "Republican President" attacking Fox.

Holy Shít, we really are Through the Looking Glass.

Comedy gold! I never imagined that Trump loosing would be this much fun

:D
It is the gift that just keeps on giving!
I for one am delighted that he is such a sore looser

Lirange · 12-11-2020 08:35PM

Gunmonkey wrote: »

Always has. Remember when he threw a strop when the photos of his inauguration were shown to have far far fewer people than Obamas?

Has he legitimately ever been told "No!" in his life? The epitome of the spoiled child who has never had to go without and every pathetic whim catered to. And then wrapped up in a delusional fantasy where he is this slick operator, the smartest man in the room and can run rings round everyone with his business savvy.

He’s not just a narcissist but a bonafide psychopath. Ticks all the boxes. The behaviour is expected at this point. The most astounding thing his how far his political acolytes and party allies are willing to debase themselves to curry favour and/or avert his wrath. Self interest or the mass psychosis of a cult?

ohnonotgmail · 12-11-2020 08:41PM

Speaking of election impropriety here is an interesting story about shill candidates in Florida. Perhaps they should rerun the whole election in that state.

https://twitter.com/VeraMBergen/status/1326692590817783814

12-11-2020 08:45PM

The keys to Trump and his supporters winning the election? Caps lock, Ctrl, C & V.

Overheal · 12-11-2020 09:11PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Speaking of election impropriety here is an interesting story about shill candidates in Florida. Perhaps they should rerun the whole election in that state.

https://twitter.com/VeraMBergen/status/1326692590817783814

I'm definitely running against my Congressman as a pro life fiscal conservative so.

Holy crap though that's conniving.

Timberrrrrrrr · 12-11-2020 09:12PM

schmittel wrote: »

Not really, I will try and explain.

Is he querying Obama's birth cert because you have to be born in US to be president (i.e a political point) or is he querying his birth cert saying he was born in Kenya and thus an inferior human being (a racist point)?

I don't know, but I suspect it is political. And he did that to benefit himself.

On the other hand telling people to go back to where they came from is undeniably racist in any context, but he did not say that to benefit himself, he said because it he does not take criticism well and he lashed out.

My problem with the white supremacy stuff is that it is given much more prominence than the evidence deserves, and there is an argument he actively supports white supremacists and refuses to condemn them which is simply not true.

And this in turn contributes to an inability to have a sensible discussion about whether or not he is actually racist, because it over shadows stuff like the remarks about going back to where you came from. i.e people prefer to talk about the fine people at Charlottesville stuff, which is nonsense.

This discussion started re the Central Park 5. A similiar case in point.

Don I think he's racist? Maybe, I'm not really very sure. All I am saying is a lot of the evidence I hear touted as his racism, I don't find as convincing as others seem to.

I definitely suspect he is not as racist as a lot of outwardly respectable US politicians who are more careful with what they say.

I also suspect the best judges of racism are ethnic minorities themselves, and if they believed he was genuinely racist and a supporter of white supremacists, they would not have voted from him in larger numbers than 2016.

On one hand you say he's a racist and then you say you're not sure? How does the first bolded part not negate the second?

"telling people to go back to where they came from is undeniably racist in any context"

ohnonotgmail · 12-11-2020 09:15PM

So any update on how trump is doing in his court cases? the last report I read said he was batting 0 for 12, to use american parlance. Not quite sure what it means but i think it is bad

hometruths · 12-11-2020 09:26PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

On one hand you say he's a racist and then you say you're not sure? How does the first bolded part not negate the second?

"telling people to go back to where they came from is undeniably racist in any context"

In the same way that I think Biden's comment about Obama being "the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy" is undeniably racist in any context, but I don't think it is enough evidence to brand him an inherently racist person.

Timberrrrrrrr · 12-11-2020 09:30PM

schmittel wrote: »

In the same way that I think Biden's comment about Obama being "the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy" is undeniably racist in any context, but I don't think it is enough evidence to brand him an inherently racist person.

Saying someone is the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy" is considered racist in your mind?

Thats called a compliment, telling someone to "go back where you came from" is an insult.

Can you really not tell the difference?

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 12-11-2020 09:39PM

I'm sold on this fraud..

https://twitter.com/RepsForBiden/status/1326979821138743302?s=19

hometruths · 12-11-2020 09:43PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Saying someone is the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy" is considered racist in your mind?

Thats called a compliment, telling someone to "go back where you came from" is an insult.

Can you really not tell the difference?

No doubt Obama can tell the difference and was most flattered at such compliments.

I wonder what mainstream African Americans pre Obama thought when they learnt that Biden considered them unclean, or dirty.

ohnonotgmail · 12-11-2020 09:43PM

Cody montana wrote: »

Trump campaign adviser Corey Lewandowski tests positive for coronavirus

Womp womp.

*Sad trombone*

Timberrrrrrrr · 12-11-2020 09:49PM

schmittel wrote: »

No doubt Obama can tell the difference and was most flattered at such compliments.

I wonder what mainstream African Americans pre Obama thought when they learnt that Biden considered them unclean, or dirty.

Have you asked any?

hometruths · 12-11-2020 09:53PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Have you asked any?

No, but NBC news did:

But late Wednesday, Obama released a statement seizing on Biden's use of the word "articulate."

"I didn't take Sen. Biden's comments personally, but obviously they were historically inaccurate," Obama said. "African-American presidential candidates like Jesse Jackson, Shirley Chisholm, Carol Moseley Braun and Al Sharpton gave a voice to many important issues through their campaigns, and no one would call them inarticulate."

Civil rights leader Jesse Jackson said Wednesday night, "It was a gaffe. It was not an intentional racially pejorative statement. It could be interpreted that way, but that's not what he meant."

12-11-2020 10:04PM

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

I'm sold on this fraud..

https://twitter.com/RepsForBiden/status/1326979821138743302?s=19

"Did you witness any evidence of voter fraud or illegal vote tampering?"
"No, but I didn't NOT witness any evidence either."
"Sounds pretty conclusive to me."

hometruths · 12-11-2020 10:06PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Have you asked any?

Jake Tapper did too:

"When I heard his comments I thought Joe Biden was referring to a bygone era," said Donna Brazile, the former campaign manager for Al Gore's 2000 presidential campaign and a prominent African-American political consultant. "Years ago when white folks referred to black people with education they often used words like articulate. To suggest they were different, they were acceptable. That they were OK as compared to rest of African-Americans.

"They are loaded words," Rev. Jesse Jackson told ABC News. "And that's why he should interpret what he meant by those loaded words. It was an attempt I thought to diminish Barack's attributes and dismissive of our previous campaigns that made Barack's candidacy possible."

Jackson said Biden's remarks "could be divisive."

Asked if Biden meant to be complimentary, Obama said, "I'm not going to parse his words that carefully."

ohnonotgmail · 12-11-2020 10:07PM

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

I'm sold on this fraud..

https://twitter.com/RepsForBiden/status/1326979821138743302?s=19

why did they even have her on? is that one of the fox news shows or one of the fox opinion shows?

Tell me how · 12-11-2020 10:18PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

why did they even have her on? is that one of the fox news shows or one of the fox opinion shows?

I wouldn't be surprised if she kinda let the story get away from her but then checked herself when put in front of a camera.

briany · 12-11-2020 10:23PM

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/us-election-results-news-live-biden-trump-map-b1721639.html

Donald Trump’s lawyers in Arizona have pulled out of a suit challenging part of the US election vote counting process in Arizona’s Maricopa County.

A judge granted Snell & Wilmer’s request to withdraw as counsel of record for the Republican National Committee, which together with the Trump campaign and the Arizona Republican Party had brought legal action alleging the county incorrectly rejected a small number of votes cast on election day.

It came amid claims Mr Trump was “very aware there is not a path to victory” over Joe Biden – which did not prevent the outgoing president from continuing to spread false and misleading claims on Twitter on Thursday.

threeball · 12-11-2020 10:25PM

schmittel wrote: »

Jake Tapper did too:

Gas that Biden will have slightly misplaced words torn to shreds and ruminated over whilst Trump can mock the disabled, be openly racist, support white supremacists and people just shrug and move on. Two people held to a completely different set of standards but vying for the same position. Its like having a soccer match where one side only gets to use their head and the other can play rugby.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 12-11-2020 10:26PM

There was a coterie of right wing and centrist commentators who delighted in calling the left-wing out on their refusal to accept Brexit and the last US election result, pointing to the intolerance and totalitarianism of the left-wing. I didn’t have much problem with them criticising that but most of them have gone remarkably quiet in the last week as they realise non-acceptance of election results isn’t necessarily a partisan issue. The only one I’ve seen criticise Trump and his supporters for same is Brendan O’Neill.

Movementarian · 12-11-2020 10:26PM

Tell me how wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised if she kinda let the story get away from her but then checked herself when put in front of a camera.

I think the truth could be that this is simply the best that they have which is scary how much chaos is being sown on the back of 'I didn't directly see or hear anything'.

omega man · 12-11-2020 10:31PM

A chap on the Matt Cooper show tonight commented that you can only make sense of it all if you accept that Trump and his loyal base are a cult.
If you read comments on social media pages like Dan Bongino you can see it first hand. They unquestionably believe he is a god loving true patriot. I’ve never seen the likes of it. It’s scary stuff.

lemonTrees · 12-11-2020 10:32PM

omega man wrote: »

A chap on the Matt Cooper show tonight commented that you can only make sense of it all if you accept that Trump and his loyal base are a cult.
If you read comments on social media pages like Dan Bongino you can see it first hand. They unquestionably believe he is a god loving true patriot. I’ve never seen the likes of it. It’s scary stuff.

Why does it scare you?

tigger123 · 12-11-2020 10:33PM

omega man wrote: »

A chap on the Matt Cooper show tonight commented that you can only make sense of it all if you accept that Trump and his loyal base are a cult.
If you read comments on social media pages like Dan Bongino you can see it first hand. They unquestionably believe he is a god loving true patriot. I’ve never seen the likes of it. It’s scary stuff.

The while thing is so cultish. He can do no wrong, say no wrong. All there is is the great leader, promising salvation.

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 12-11-2020 10:33PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

why did they even have her on? is that one of the fox news shows or one of the fox opinion shows?

Near sure it's an opinion talk show.. I don't know how she failed so badly at speaking she had papers in her hands.. surely she'd do a Donald and have things in bullet points and know what to say..

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 12-11-2020 10:37PM

Another case bites the dust for Don and the republicans in Nevada.. They dropped their case!

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1326997977085440000?s=19

Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

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