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T.Chunter164 · 12-11-2020 07:26PM

Fe1forthefun wrote: »

Is anyone else a little frustrated that law firms are interviewing/sending out PFOs during the fe1s?

I cannot see the point in sending them now and holding interviews now too... stressful enough as it is. I was glad to hear Matheson are opening their applications after the FE1's.

I will say though I've heard many firms are full on intakes until 2022 - so likely that most firms will be for a 2023 start.

Fedone · 12-11-2020 07:27PM

Fe1forthefun wrote: »

Is anyone else a little frustrated that law firms are interviewing/sending out PFOs during the fe1s?

Got one last night before my last exam this morning. Wasn’t the greatest confidence boost

12-11-2020 07:35PM

Fedone wrote: »

Got one last night before my last exam this morning. Wasn’t the greatest confidence boost

Ya thought the timings were really terrible! I got one yesterday too

T.Chunter164 · 12-11-2020 08:02PM

to be honest - if I don't get a summer internship or Matheson when they open in November, I'm considering getting some experience in some other 'corporate' related sector. Even some crappy entry level role (though with current circumstances I hear its just as competitive atm)

My leaving cert points were close to 500 and I graduated in the top 15 of my year and its just PFO after PFO. Not exactly motivating for another set of fe1's in a few months time.

Fe7 · 12-11-2020 08:32PM

T.Chunter164 wrote: »

to be honest - if I don't get a summer internship or Matheson when they open in November, I'm considering getting some experience in some other 'corporate' related sector. Even some crappy entry level role (though with current circumstances I hear its just as competitive atm)

My leaving cert points were close to 500 and I graduated in the top 15 of my year and its just PFO after PFO. Not exactly motivating for another set of fe1's in a few months time.

I’ve a contract with them PM me if you want any interview tips.

FE1Rookie · 12-11-2020 08:41PM

What's a PFO?

12-11-2020 08:46PM

FE1Rookie wrote: »

What's a PFO?

Please F off - a rejection basically

FE1Rookie · 12-11-2020 08:54PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Please F off - a rejection basically

Oh right haha. Well used to those! I spent months and months of slogging through interviews since college, before eventually deciding to commit to the legal route of my degree (hence me being here).

I noticed some user say even to get an "crappy entry level job" as experience. Just as a warning, they are not as easy as you might imagine getting. Like I said I spent months going to interviews, mostly ****ty group ones (which I despise), and they are extremely competitive. Most candidates will have a masters + experience, which was something I was shocked by and unprepared for competing against. It's pathetic that an "entry level" position would demand experience and also post grad degrees, but such is the world we live in unfortunately. Just a heads up, I don't mean to scare anyone. Just don't think it'll come easy. People in the business sector will not value, or even know of the FE1 exams. I had a hard time trying to sell myself with a law degree applying in a business sector, despite having done several commerce modules. It was much easier for them to hire someone "safe" who had a degree which matched the job title, rather than some law student who's heart really isn't in it.

Fe1forthefun · 12-11-2020 09:37PM

FE1Rookie wrote: »

If someone has an exam grid for any of EU, Company, Constitutional, Equity, or Criminal that would be greatly appreciated and I can help you out with any materials for Contract, Property, or Tort in return. I'd really like to get started on the next FE1 sitting as soon as possible and an exam grid is my starting point so I can narrow down topics early

Pretty sure I do! Dm me and ill try sort you out. It will be the weekend though before I can face looking through my fe1 materials again so you'll have to be happy to wait til then.

123456789j · 12-11-2020 10:16PM

Hi guys, anyone who has sat company or property able to tell me how does it work with legislation? Don’t want to be thrown off in morning. Do you have to show the book every time you use it?

awsah · 12-11-2020 10:20PM

123456789j wrote: »

Hi guys, anyone who has sat company or property able to tell me how does it work with legislation? Don’t want to be thrown off in morning. Do you have to show the book every time you use it?

i sat company and you do not have to show the legislation,I know there are people that are but I am not bothering with it, it takes time and it wasn't asked for

law987 · 12-11-2020 10:20PM

No, don't have to show it at all! I just held it up at the very start but nothing other than that just work away as normal

123456789j · 12-11-2020 10:26PM

law987 wrote: »

No, don't have to show it at all! I just held it up at the very start but nothing other than that just work away as normal

Cheers. Such an advantage with the legislation. Not sure how it will affect the proctoring score all the same! Hahah

ihatethesea · 12-11-2020 10:31PM

Hi, does anybody have any cases in FMOG for purely internal situations? I see the examiner reference Smanor case by I looked it up and it doesnt seem to reference the internal situation? Thanks!

phildub · 12-11-2020 10:35PM

ihatethesea wrote: »

Hi, does anybody have any cases in FMOG for purely internal situations? I see the examiner reference Smanor case by I looked it up and it doesnt seem to reference the internal situation? Thanks!

This is part of a sample answer from q4 March 2019, hope it helps.

awsah · 12-11-2020 10:44PM

ihatethesea wrote: »

Hi, does anybody have any cases in FMOG for purely internal situations? I see the examiner reference Smanor case by I looked it up and it doesnt seem to reference the internal situation? Thanks!

I actually went looking for the post from yesterday that references this because i came across this sample ans for q4 march 2019.

Applicability to internal situations
Chapter 3 of the TFEU is entitled “Prohibition of Quantitative Restrictions between Member States”. Articles 34 and 35 state as follows:-
“Quantitative restrictions on imports and all measures having equivalent effect shall be prohibited between Member States.
Quantitative restrictions on exports, and all measures having equivalent effect, shall be prohibited between Member States.”
On their face, the Treaty provisions require a cross-border element, therefore, which would preclude application to a situation wholly internal to a single Member State.
In Smanor, the Court considered a French measure which restricted the use of the term “yoghurt” which was challenged by a company which manufactured and sold its products within France. The Court found that, while the facts giving rise to the challenge were wholly internal in nature, it could not be precluded that products would be produced under the term “yoghurt” in other Member States and imported into France.
By corrollary, Bob the Baker will be in a position to challenge the validity of the Irish Regulations, by reference to the terms it uses to describe all of its products, on the basis of the Dassonville formula.

phildub · 12-11-2020 10:45PM

phildub wrote: »

This is part of a sample answer from q4 March 2019, hope it helps.

I tried to attach a picture here but it didn't work obviously! I see your question was answered tho!

Fe1user5555 · 12-11-2020 11:17PM

Feeling very burned out so really don’t feel I have enough knowledge to pass this EU exam. I’ve heard the pass rate is usually quite high but does anyone have any experience of how nice the marker is?

ruby1998 · 12-11-2020 11:27PM

Fe1user5555 wrote: »

Feeling very burned out so really don’t feel I have enough knowledge to pass this EU exam. I’ve heard the pass rate is usually quite high but does anyone have any experience of how nice the marker is?

Same here, trying to work through citizenship atm and I rlly do think my head is about to fall off.

Fe1user5555 · 12-11-2020 11:44PM

ruby1998 wrote: »

Same here, trying to work through citizenship atm and I rlly do think my head is about to fall off.

Really nervous about it!!

LeGal97 · 13-11-2020 12:11AM

T.Chunter164 wrote: »

to be honest - if I don't get a summer internship or Matheson when they open in November, I'm considering getting some experience in some other 'corporate' related sector. Even some crappy entry level role (though with current circumstances I hear its just as competitive atm)

My leaving cert points were close to 500 and I graduated in the top 15 of my year and its just PFO after PFO. Not exactly motivating for another set of fe1's in a few months time.

I am in a similar position... and since I couldn't get more legal experience this summer I held back on applying everywhere again because I knew it would be the exact same.

Does anyone have any advice? Thinking about heading into some small firms in my county and offering to work for free at this rate!

Spreece · 13-11-2020 12:35AM

I think stress levels are very high among the FE1 class of 2020 if Boards is anything to go by.

I am an imposter on here as an ageing mature student doing the FE1s with a view to a career change but without the high stakes that many of you have in play.

Having said that, I would like to offer some perspective. We will all finish these exams, some of us might take an extra attempt to do so. Its a rotten time to be looking for work at the moment but the same number of lawyers will be required over the medium / long term so this short term lack of demand will disappear once covid is gone.

The stuff you worry about rarely ever happens and if it does its never as bad as you imagine.

The FE1s are not the leaving cert, there's another train coming along next Spring if any of us misses this one.

Its been a hell of a couple of weeks and the chat on here has been useful and entertaining, so thanks for that.

legallyginger · 13-11-2020 12:39AM

Wonder is it worth notifying law society about my documents folder coming up twice during exam whatever I clicked? Also went to the bathroom twice so bricking I'll be flagged

Healyjhow · 13-11-2020 12:47AM

We were allowed to go bathroom and in certain exams use legislation without showing the camera each time, I started yelling at my postman mid one of my exams because he was looking for a signature! I wouldn’t worry about it or draw any attention to yourself! If you get flagged it’s just a simple explanation!

legallyginger wrote: »

Wonder is it worth notifying law society about my documents folder coming up twice during exam whatever I clicked? Also went to the bathroom twice so bricking I'll be flagged

EmmaO94 · 13-11-2020 12:48AM

Fe1user5555 wrote: »

Feeling very burned out so really don’t feel I have enough knowledge to pass this EU exam. I’ve heard the pass rate is usually quite high but does anyone have any experience of how nice the marker is?

If this is a small comfort, I think the EU marker is actually pretty sound - I passed in August with 4 alright/good answers but the fifth was like 90% lifted from the legislation with like 2 random case names sprinkled in. So my advice would be if you're struggling for a 5th answer and there's a q on citizenship or human rights, definitely lean on Blackstones and that should get you over the line. Just my two cents!

irishmisile · 13-11-2020 01:32AM

I want to just say a word of congratulations for everyone currently doing, have done and are contemplating doing these exams! You're all thinking with your head in the right place and are a credit to yourselves and your family for braving this possible career path. You all are a sound bunch and I wish you all the best of luck in your future careers!

Dancing Obsession · 13-11-2020 09:11AM

LeGal97 wrote: »

I am in a similar position... and since I couldn't get more legal experience this summer I held back on applying everywhere again because I knew it would be the exact same.

Does anyone have any advice? Thinking about heading into some small firms in my county and offering to work for free at this rate!

I worked for free for four months and after that they offered me payment. I've been working there for 6 years now.

Dancing Obsession · 13-11-2020 09:18AM

Spreece wrote: »

I think stress levels are very high among the FE1 class of 2020 if Boards is anything to go by.

I am an imposter on here as an ageing mature student doing the FE1s with a view to a career change but without the high stakes that many of you have in play.

Having said that, I would like to offer some perspective. We will all finish these exams, some of us might take an extra attempt to do so. Its a rotten time to be looking for work at the moment but the same number of lawyers will be required over the medium / long term so this short term lack of demand will disappear once covid is gone.

The stuff you worry about rarely ever happens and if it does its never as bad as you imagine.

The FE1s are not the leaving cert, there's another train coming along next Spring if any of us misses this one.

Its been a hell of a couple of weeks and the chat on here has been useful and entertaining, so thanks for that.

Very nice and comforting what you said. Why did you call yourself ageing mature student

I felt like that at the beginning myself but it's never too late to study.
Heads up guys, we are getting there

T.Chunter164 · 13-11-2020 10:17AM

Dancing Obsession wrote: »

I worked for free for four months and after that they offered me payment. I've been working there for 6 years now.

I worked for free a few days a week in a small firm when I was in 3rd year university - great for some experience but I have to say it was not the nicest experience especially working another part-time job to have some sort of income

Dropin · 13-11-2020 10:18AM

legallyginger wrote: »

Wonder is it worth notifying law society about my documents folder coming up twice during exam whatever I clicked? Also went to the bathroom twice so bricking I'll be flagged

If its any comfort I went to the bathroom 3 times during equity (bladder capacity of a small child) and I got up twice to open/close the curtains as the sun passes that window and I was blinded. Probably naivety on my behalf but i'v said to myself that theres just no way I am having them tell me my test is void because I looked around too much..

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