Can Trump be stopped?

Covid19 · 12-11-2020 1:22pm #1

Lord knows, I tried!

But seriously, watching the coverage on all the news networks, and taking Bernie Sanders point, no-one seems prepared to stand up to the man. The GOP seems to be paralysed by fear. I truly believe he will try to bring the Country down with him before January.

roundymac · 12-11-2020 4:46pm

They are scared of their own supporters turning on them the next elections. Trump is "GOD" to a lot of these people.

Wanderer78 · 14-11-2020 7:46am

I can see him fading into the background already, but then again, that could be my own biases at play, I largely ignore him anyway, there's no intelligence there, so why bother. I'd like to think the republicans will just continue to depower him now

Citizen2011 · 14-11-2020 7:54am

Covid19 wrote: »

Lord knows, I tried!

But seriously, watching the coverage on all the news networks, and taking Bernie Sanders point, no-one seems prepared to stand up to the man. The GOP seems to be paralysed by fear. I truly believe he will try to bring the Country down with him before January.

So your question is can Trump and the American people standing against Big Tech and the MSM be silenced. Thankfully he’s not a coward and will stand against them.

gimli2112 · 14-11-2020 8:00am

the level of intelligence required to think, "Trump's my guy" truly is frightening

ancapailldorcha · 14-11-2020 11:18am

Serious contributions only please. Posts deleted.

looksee · 14-11-2020 1:02pm

Of course he can be stopped. What might be more difficult is stopping the Trumpists and the Republicans who, on the face of it don't seem to have any critical faculties at all.

Wanderer78 · 14-11-2020 1:03pm

looksee wrote: »

Of course he can be stopped. What might be more difficult is stopping the Trumpists and the Republicans who, on the face of it don't seem to have any critical facilities at all.

yup, 70 million folks voted for him, this aint going away anytime soon, the dems have 4 years to do something, or.......

14-11-2020 1:07pm

Citizen2011 wrote: »

So your question is can Trump and the American people standing against Big Tech and the MSM be silenced. Thankfully he’s not a coward and will stand against them.

I think it's more a question of if the GOP will allow him to continue trying to undermine an election via propaganda. Nothing to do with the media or social media at this stage. (Also he wouldn't be president without social media imo)

PhilOssophy · 14-11-2020 1:11pm

What do you mean by "stopped" OP? He was stopped last week and is showing infantile levels of sore loser. He'll be gone out of the White House by 20th of January come what may.
I just hope the GOP in 2024 can at least put a candidate forward who won't just spread bile and hate for 4 years. What Trump has done to the office can never be allowed to happen again.

Brussels Sprout · 14-11-2020 2:30pm

Good explainer here from an American ex-military, Security specialist about the possibility of Trump using the military to stay in power.

Spoiler alert: It isn't going to happen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb2iRT6BU34

moon2 · 14-11-2020 2:40pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

yup, 70 million folks voted for him, this aint going away anytime soon, the dems have 4 years to do something, or.......

76 million voted against him.

If we're throwing around numbers we may as well make it clear that you're referring to a minority of people. It is a large minority, but it's still the minority.

As Trump said - a victory of 306 EC votes is a landslide. Biden has won by a landslide

Alf Veedersane · 14-11-2020 2:42pm

Citizen2011 wrote: »

So your question is can Trump and the American people standing against Big Tech and the MSM be silenced. Thankfully he’s not a coward and will stand against them.

Not to mention Big Votes being against him.

Bigly.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 14-11-2020 2:42pm

Voting irregularities.

Maybe, maybe not.

Let him go to court and see if there's proof. What's the problem. If there's no proof he's gone. What are you all worried about.

Man with broke phone · 14-11-2020 2:44pm

Dont worry ten weeks from now america will be quietly colonising the world with good PR, business as usual.

This 4 years of admitting the reality of it will be swept under the carpet just like the time Japan sent some planes to bomb all the territories they wanted to liberate from america and also bombed their naval base.

We only ever hear about the naval base. We only get told they were evil.

Fall_Guy · 14-11-2020 2:50pm

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Voting irregularities.

Maybe, maybe not.

Let him go to court and see if there's proof. What's the problem. If there's no proof he's gone. What are you all worried about.

That's all well and good to say, but in a world where people get all their information from a carefully curated social media stream that prioritises keeping you engaged with a specific platform over providing a rigorously fact-checked news source, Trump merely spouting this nonsense is enough do huge damage in a large amount of peoples faith in the integrity of the electoral system, no matter how many of his claims get disproven.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 14-11-2020 2:51pm

Man with broke phone wrote: »

Dont worry ten weeks from now america will be quietly colonising the world with good PR, business as usual.

This 4 years of admitting the reality of it will be swept under the carpet just like the time Japan sent some planes to bomb all the territories they wanted to liberate from america and also bombed their naval base.

We only ever hear about the naval base. We only get told they were evil.

Hopefully america can get back to business over the next 4 years. I mean it's been a fair while since they invaded/stole resources/bombed some third world country into the ground.

Wanderer78 · 14-11-2020 2:55pm

moon2 wrote: »

76 million voted against him.

If we're throwing around numbers we may as well make it clear that you're referring to a minority of people. It is a large minority, but it's still the minority.

oh very true, but this is far from over, the dems are seriously under pressure here, they dont have much time to make considerable changes, or there could be mayhem in 24

Fall_Guy · 14-11-2020 2:58pm

Man with broke phone wrote: »

Dont worry ten weeks from now america will be quietly colonising the world with good PR, business as usual.

This 4 years of admitting the reality of it will be swept under the carpet just like the time Japan sent some planes to bomb all the territories they wanted to liberate from america and also bombed their naval base.

We only ever hear about the naval base. We only get told they were evil.

But is Trump admitting the reality of it? For example, he talks a lot about how past presidents were mad for wars and all he wants to do is pull troops out of foreign lands.... But after 3 years in office he had authorised twice as many drone strikes as Obama had in 8 years.

Don't get me wrong, U. S. foreign policy has been fairly horrific for a long long time, and the damage they have done internationally is far-reaching, but this idea that Trump has in some way been better than what has come before (or at the least, no worse) because of that doesn't hold up for me.

Godeatsboogers · 14-11-2020 3:02pm

He'll definitely be back in contention for the 2024 election, I really hope he loses this one and doesn't get in again. I dont even mind him that much, but his supporters unequivocal support of a fallible human being got old, quick.

Theyve tried to convince me that hes actually Jesus come back to get rid of of all the paedos, people who know I'm atheist, and they still expect to take them seriously.

El_Duderino 09 · 14-11-2020 3:02pm

Citizen2011 wrote: »

So your question is can Trump and the American people standing against Big Tech and the MSM be silenced. Thankfully he’s not a coward and will stand against them.

Standing up against big tech, big elections, The News and democracy. What a guy.

He’s doing a total war strategy. He’ll almost certainly lose but he’s trying to put as many pieces in place in case he can hold on. For example he fired the defence guy who wouldn’t use military troops against civilians and replaced him with a Trump man. Why? In case he needs to use troops against civilians. It’s unlikely to happen but he’s preparing all the same.

If he can keep the court cases going until they have to certify then he can try to give some latitude for the electors to give him the electoral college votes when they meet in December.

Everything about it is a long shot but he’s preparing to hang on. It’s pretty clear he won’t go unless all avenues to holding on are completely gone.

Wanderer78 · 14-11-2020 3:03pm

Fall_Guy wrote: »

But is Trump admitting the reality of it? For example, he talks a lot about how past presidents were mad for wars and all he wants to do is pull troops out of foreign lands.... But after 3 years in office he had authorised twice as many drone strikes as Obama had in 8 years.

Don't get me wrong, U. S. foreign policy has been fairly horrific for a long long time, and the damage they have done internationally is far-reaching, but this idea that Trump has in some way been better than what has come before (or at the least, no worse) because of that doesn't hold up for me.

he might just have brought the war energy home!

Fall_Guy · 14-11-2020 3:07pm

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Hopefully america can get back to business over the next 4 years. I mean it's been a fair while since they invaded/stole resources/bombed some third world country into the ground.

Well if that's what you are hoping for, the good news is that business has been booming on the bombing side of things anyway.

14-11-2020 3:08pm

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Voting irregularities.

Maybe, maybe not.

Let him go to court and see if there's proof. What's the problem. If there's no proof he's gone. What are you all worried about.

His legal team quit yesterday so there's clearly not anything to give credence to.

Man with broke phone · 14-11-2020 3:13pm

How he managed to somewhat balance the economy while turning his back on the industrial military comex is beyond me.

There will be a big shock when the next fella arrives and nothing really happens. Youd think he is locked up in the white house starving prisoners and Biden is going to break down the castle wall and free all the slaves.

Is there any real policy that is totally time sensitive that Biden is waiting to implement, something that will show any instant real change?

14-11-2020 3:15pm

Man with broke phone wrote: »

How he managed to somewhat balance the economy while turning his back on the industrial military comex is beyond me.

There will be a big shock when the next fella arrives and nothing really happens. Youd think he is locked up in the white house starving prisoners and Biden is going to break down the castle wall and free all the slaves.

Is there any real policy that is totally time sensitive that Biden is waiting to implement, something that will show any instant real change?

Arms sales have increased under Trump....
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-fueled-war-arms-sales-attacks-military-leaders-for-it-2020-9?r=US&IR=T

Mullaghteelin · 14-11-2020 3:15pm

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Hopefully america can get back to business over the next 4 years. I mean it's been a fair while since they invaded/stole resources/bombed some third world country into the ground.

The Democrats, media and permanent government are desperate for Trump to leave the White House before he does something unthinkable...
Like bring home US troops from Afghanistan!

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/13/us/politics/trump-afghanistan-troops.html

Trump Pentagon Purge Could Accelerate His Goal to Pull Troops From Afghanistan
President Trump’s supporters hope he is the president to end America’s longest war.

Lets hope Biden gets in to stop this madness!

Girly Gal · 14-11-2020 3:17pm

Does anyone still seriously believe that Trump is not going to leave the White House in January, even yesterday he pretty much admitted it himself, what he's doing now is all for show, planting the seed of doubt about the election results and laying the foundations to run again in 2024

El_Duderino 09 · 14-11-2020 3:20pm

Man with broke phone wrote: »

How he managed to somewhat balance the economy while turning his back on the industrial military comex is beyond me.
...

Why would you think he turned his back on the military industrial complex. He increased military budgets and sold more arms. Did you think what you said was true or did you just say it anyway?

El_Duderino 09 · 14-11-2020 3:21pm

Girly Gal wrote: »

Does anyone still seriously believe that Trump is not going to leave the White House in January, even yesterday he pretty much admitted it himself, what he's doing now is all for show, planting the seed of doubt about the election results and laying the foundations to run again in 2024

If they left it up to him, in the way it’s been up to every other president in the history of the country, then he wouldn’t leave. If they force him out then he’ll leave.

Man with broke phone · 14-11-2020 3:22pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Arms sales have increased under Trump....
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-fueled-war-arms-sales-attacks-military-leaders-for-it-2020-9?r=US&IR=T

Saudi Arabia are buying more weapons and you use that as a stick to beat Trump with. It really is a dog and pony show where you can post a link and a statement and people who want to believe you will with no question.

El_Duderino 09 · 14-11-2020 3:25pm

Man with broke phone wrote: »

Saudi Arabia are buying more weapons and you use that as a stick to beat Trump with. It really is a dog and pony show where you can post a link and a statement and people who want to believe you will with no question.

You said he turned his back on the military industrial complex. The military industrial complex is booming under Trump.

BorneTobyWilde · 14-11-2020 3:26pm

Trump lost because his cronies mega fans dirty cops got trigger happy, and because China released the plague on him. Lets see what Biden does when the next cop assassinates an unarmed black man on tape

Man with broke phone · 14-11-2020 3:26pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

You said he turned his back on the military industrial complex. The military industrial complex is booming under Trump.

Yes selling weapons to saudi arabia

Man with broke phone · 14-11-2020 3:27pm

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Trump lost because his cronies mega fans dirty cops got trigger happy, and because China released the plague on him. Lets see what Biden does when the next cop assassinates an unarmed black man on tape

The vaccination is all but ready but Biden will take credit.

Girly Gal · 14-11-2020 3:37pm

Man with broke phone wrote: »

The vaccination is all but ready but Buden will take credit.

It's interesting that that announcement was left until after the election, also Trump was laughed at and ridiculed when he said the vaccine would be available soon,with the experts saying it was at least 18 months to 2 years away

Girly Gal · 14-11-2020 3:39pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

If they left it up to him, in the way it’s been up to every other president in the history of the country, then he wouldn’t leave. If they force him out then he’ll leave.

Do you really believe that?

El_Duderino 09 · 14-11-2020 3:43pm

Man with broke phone wrote: »

Yes selling weapons to saudi arabia

Yeah. So we’re in agreement that the military industrial complex is doing great under trumped and the notion that he “turned his back” on it, as you said, is nonsense.

El_Duderino 09 · 14-11-2020 3:45pm

Girly Gal wrote: »

Do you really believe that?

Yes.

Do you think he’d just admit defeat and leave of his own accord? Are you not watching what’s happening? He’s denying he lost so he can hang on in power.

What do you think is happening?

briany · 14-11-2020 3:47pm

Fall_Guy wrote: »

That's all well and good to say, but in a world where people get all their information from a carefully curated social media stream that prioritises keeping you engaged with a specific platform over providing a rigorously fact-checked news source, Trump merely spouting this nonsense is enough do huge damage in a large amount of peoples faith in the integrity of the electoral system, no matter how many of his claims get disproven.

Yeah, Trump doesn't know or care if it's proof. Someone posted an article about this the other day - it's all about the optics and keeping the base angry. It matters not to the true Trump believer that every fraud case so far put before state courts has been laughed out of the gaff. They'll still believe fraud was rife and enabled Biden to win. You can't argue these people down because they're not following logic to begin with.

But one thing I don't think that Trump or his enablers have considered is that a base of people who suspect every institution is going to be hard to control. You're essentially trying to harness mob mentality, but mob mentality is notoriously volatile.

Man with broke phone · 14-11-2020 3:50pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Yeah. So we’re in agreement that the military industrial complex is doing great under trumped and the notion that he “turned his back” on it, as you said, is nonsense.

He doesnt own the factories or run saudi arabia. What will Joe Biden do to ensure the factories stop selling rifles to Saudi Arabia?

He will buy all the rifles himself, thats what he will do. Turning his front to the american industrial complex.

You seem very tabloidy. Did you have much interest in american foreign policy before the bold Trump came on the scene?

Man with broke phone · 14-11-2020 3:53pm

The press had you believe he was a laughing stock who all his staff and all the military and all the kings horses and all the kings men thought he was a bufoon and wanted him out.

Now he has to leave they are having you believe he has seized the white house and him and his loyal men will enforce martial law and dismantle the constitution.

Girly Gal · 14-11-2020 3:58pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Yes.

Do you think he’d just admit defeat and leave of his own accord? Are you not watching what’s happening? He’s denying he lost so he can hang on in power.

What do you think is happening?

We're two months out from when Trump has to go, already in the last week a lot of people have begun to distant themselves from Trump, by January all that'll be left is his fan base. Trump already knows he lost the election just won't give Biden or the Democrats the satisfion of conceding. He knows he has to go and will go, but, he won't go a minute before he has to and make it as difficult as possible a transition for the incoming Biden administration. He's eyeing a run for 2024 whether that will materialise is another matter as a lot can happen in the next 3 to 4 years

LuckyLloyd · 14-11-2020 4:13pm

Man with broke phone wrote: »

How he managed to somewhat balance the economy while turning his back on the industrial military comex is beyond me.

There will be a big shock when the next fella arrives and nothing really happens. Youd think he is locked up in the white house starving prisoners and Biden is going to break down the castle wall and free all the slaves.

Is there any real policy that is totally time sensitive that Biden is waiting to implement, something that will show any instant real change?

Biden Policy: deal with an escalating public health emergency
Trump Policy: pretend there is no public health emergency

Biden Policy: fill all federal appointments and make sure government agencies have the minimum funding and manpower to fulfil their roles
Trump Policy: defund government agencies like the CDC and leave 100s of necessary posts empty

Stuff like that. You know the real basic competent running the federal government stuff.

Man with broke phone · 14-11-2020 4:38pm

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Biden Policy: deal with an escalating public health emergency
Trump Policy: pretend there is no public health emergency

Biden Policy: fill all federal appointments and make sure government agencies have the minimum funding and manpower to fulfil their roles
Trump Policy: defund government agencies like the CDC and leave 100s of necessary posts empty

Stuff like that. You know the real basic competent running the federal government stuff.

The only policy of defunding government departments was a democratic one involving the police and its going terribly, laughable. The rest of your post is vague slogan talk, give the departments that need it money from where we have it type stuff, keep the people busy with a punch and judy show while we control the world oil supply.

El_Duderino 09 · 14-11-2020 4:44pm

Man with broke phone wrote: »

He doesnt own the factories or run saudi arabia. What will Joe Biden do to ensure the factories stop selling rifles to Saudi Arabia?

He will buy all the rifles himself, thats what he will do. Turning his front to the american industrial complex.

You seem very tabloidy. Did you have much interest in american foreign policy before the bold Trump came on the scene?

I don’t know what Biden will do. You made the nonsense claim that Trump “turned his back on the military industrial complex”. Talking about Saudi Arabia or Biden won’t make your untrue claim any less untrue.

Did you think it was true when you said it or did you just say it anyway?

moon2 · 14-11-2020 4:44pm

Man with broke phone wrote: »

The only policy of defunding government departments was a democratic one involving the police and its going terribly, laughable. The rest of your post is vague slogan talk, give the departments that need it money from where we have it type stuff, keep the people busy with a punch and judy show while we control the world oil supply.

Did you forget that the pandemic response team was defunded by Trump? This is the group which was intended to coordinate the handling of health emergencies such as Covid-19.

14-11-2020 4:47pm

Man with broke phone wrote: »

Yes selling weapons to saudi arabia

Man with broke phone wrote: »

The press had you believe he was a laughing stock who all his staff and all the military and all the kings horses and all the kings men thought he was a bufoon and wanted him out.

Now he has to leave they are having you believe he has seized the white house and him and his loyal men will enforce martial law and dismantle the constitution.

Man with broke phone wrote: »

He doesnt own the factories or run saudi arabia. What will Joe Biden do to ensure the factories stop selling rifles to Saudi Arabia?

He will buy all the rifles himself, thats what he will do. Turning his front to the american industrial complex.

You seem very tabloidy. Did you have much interest in american foreign policy before the bold Trump came on the scene?

It's perfectly within the US government's powers to ban sale of weapons to certain countries. Haven't you ever heard of sanctions?

Also they're not simply selling rifles. The US government is actively selling the likes of missiles to Saudi Arabia. Trump was actively pursuing more deals as of this year. They've also done such deals with the UAE.

https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2020/05/27/trump-seeking-new-arms-deal-with-saudi-arabia-says-key-senator/

The Saudi deal amounts to hundreds of billions of dollars.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/20/us-saudi-arabia-seal-weapons-deal-worth-nearly-110-billion-as-trump-begins-visit.html

So you claim Trump has been negative for the military industrial complex but the reality is they're thriving under him and he's actively boasted about the sales to states. His policies have benefited them and it's reflected in the stock market because their policies are far looser on international arms sales.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-lockheed-results-idUSKCN1RZ16Q

El_Duderino 09 · 14-11-2020 4:47pm

Girly Gal wrote: »

We're two months out from when Trump has to go, already in the last week a lot of people have begun to distant themselves from Trump, by January all that'll be left is his fan base. Trump already knows he lost the election just won't give Biden or the Democrats the satisfion of conceding. He knows he has to go and will go, but, he won't go a minute before he has to and make it as difficult as possible a transition for the incoming Biden administration. He's eyeing a run for 2024 whether that will materialise is another matter as a lot can happen in the next 3 to 4 years

People distancing themselves from him is more to my point that he’ll only go when there is no choice. If it was left up to him, in the way it’s been left up to every other departing president and defeated president, he wouldn’t go. He will have to be pushed by things like his supporters distancing themselves from him.

Whether he’ll run in 2024 is complete irrelevant to whether he’ll leave without being forced out.

Girly Gal · 14-11-2020 5:00pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

People distancing themselves from him is more to my point that he’ll only go when there is no choice. If it was left up to him, in the way it’s been left up to every other departing president and defeated president, he wouldn’t go. He will have to be pushed by things like his supporters distancing themselves from him.

Whether he’ll run in 2024 is complete irrelevant to whether he’ll leave without being forced out.

Pretty sure most of the previous presidents would stay on if it was an option, also need to go back to Bush Sr., since a sitting President was defeated so nothing more recently to compare with, also seem to remember Clinton's administration changeover to Bush jr. wasn't that harmonious either. Bottom line is Trump will go of his own accord when the time comes like all previous Presidents had to. Anyone who believes anything else is being hysterical.

LuckyLloyd · 14-11-2020 5:07pm

I am amazed at how widely distributed the "peace president" nonsense narrative is, and how consistently it is regurgitated.

Can Trump be stopped?

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