Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

seamus wrote: »

I'm expecting a detailed plan to step down incrementally and then back up again.

That is, move to level 3 in early December (maybe the 4th or 7th), stay there for two weeks, move to level 2 until the 1st January, then move back to level 3 for all of January.

People will be complacent. People will break the rules.

We need to plan our restrictions to give people enough freedom that they might actually stick within a reduced ruleset, rather than maintain stricter rules that they'll ignore completely.

If you tell people that no visitors are allowed at home on Xmas day, then they'll ignore it completely and have everyone over.

If you tell them they can have visitors from two households, then they're more likely to come up with a plan that lets them stick within the rules.

That could work alright

Say level 3 1st December to 13th

Level 2 14th - 1st of January
Probably modified level 2 with no wet pubs

Level three January

Gael23 wrote: »

Pressure mounting to reopen at level 2

I think it could be modified 3 up to Christmas than modified 2 for Christmas. We were told going straight from 2 to 5 was too much so don't see opposite happening.

normanoffside wrote: »

Really worth a Watch/Listen.
De Brun was vilified for whistleblowing the nursing home fiasco. He was trying to save lives of those who were dying from Covid but is now labelled a Covid denier when he was trying to do the opposite.
He is now ostracised for criticising NPHET/HSE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Kn_OseTbk

Hats off to the man for trying to protect the nursing homes. He seems like a nice man, just two points i felt were disingenuos.

1) if your going to speak at an anti masking rally, be damn sure who you are speaking FOR. And dont act all confused after.

2) Yes, covid is spreading county wide, but SLOWLY due to lockdown. Take the brakes off lockdown health system is overwhelmed and many many more deaths. Sweden is an example of how not to do it. He skipped over that too. 6,000 covid deaths and 4,000 assisted deaths. Norway 300, Finland 250. Sweden economy doing worse than neighbours.

To my mind hes trying to back pedal. Im a nice guy, i was doing my best, I didnt know who was using me, and sure, look, arent we doing the swedish thing anyway? Im a good dad. He is right, speaking at the rally was a terrible idea. An anti masking rally, during a pandemic.

mcburns07 wrote: »

That's not the question I asked. You suggested Level 3 from the 4th or 7th Dec. Level 5 restrictions are due to end on the 1st no?

Yeah, you're right, I had the 4th in my head for some reason.

bb1234567 wrote: »

Was surprised when my friend in Sydney posted a picture at a zoo and they all had masks on outdoors. Is this a requirement there? I thought everything had gone back to normal in Australia

""It is important to put this on the table: this virus may become just another endemic virus in our communities, and this virus may never go away," Dr Ryan told the virtual press conference from Geneva.

"HIV has not gone away - but we have come to terms with the virus."

Dr Ryan then said he doesn't believe "anyone can predict when this disease will disappear"."


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-52643682

Endemic.

The 'Zero Covid' proponents are blind to this.

"The Government may ask the public to limit their close contacts to just their family over the Christmas period, as it examines ways to prevent a further surge in Covid-19 cases when the latest restrictions are lifted.

As the Irish Times reports, the Government has plans to implement new "modified" measures. Among them are social restrictions under which the public would be asked to keep their contacts “family orientated”, particularly over Christmas.

Restaurants are expected to be given the green light to reopen but there is growing pessimism about pubs that do not serve food being allowed to do so."

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/government-may-ask-people-to-limit-close-contacts-over-christmas-1035175.html

That seems reasonable to me

KrustyUCC wrote: »

"The Government may ask the public to limit their close contacts to just their family over the Christmas period, as it examines ways to prevent a further surge in Covid-19 cases when the latest restrictions are lifted.

As the Irish Times reports, the Government has plans to implement new "modified" measures. Among them are social restrictions under which the public would be asked to keep their contacts “family orientated”, particularly over Christmas.

Restaurants are expected to be given the green light to reopen but there is growing pessimism about pubs that do not serve food being allowed to do so."

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/government-may-ask-people-to-limit-close-contacts-over-christmas-1035175.html

That seems reasonable to me

Once indoor dining is allowed that’s a decent middle ground

gipi wrote: »

This might explain the continued high numbers in NI...

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/police-find-19-people-hiding-in-bedroom-and-two-in-attic-at-belfast-house-party-1.4406812?mode=amp

It's the insanely low level of testing and complete lack of contact tracing that's causing the havoc up north.

At this stage with our reducing numbers we should probably be reaching out to offer them some of our spare testing capacity (we could take 5,000 swabs/day from NI right now) and whatever we can on contact tracing.

The problem is that the response has been entirely politicised. The DUP would probably go mental over an offer of help and accuse it of being a ploy to subvert NI's position in the UK.

AssetBacked2 wrote: »

I have a group of friends I'm meeting on 13th December in a restaurant and 20th December in a house. These are not piss-ups but dinners and drinks with socialising. It most certainly is not reasonable what is being proposed above.

meeting of social groups in houses (outsde of direct family) so something that they just wont legislate to happen.

House parties(which you are proposing under the facade of "oh its not a piss up") got us into this mess!

Wait...

Don't tell me the 9 euro **** is back again?

MOR316 wrote: »

Wait...

Don't tell me the 9 euro **** is back again?

Unfortunately I think it will be

MOR316 wrote: »

Wait...

Don't tell me the 9 euro **** is back again?

Wait and see. Anything being suggested is pure speculation. We've still just over 2 weeks to go.

Won't bother getting into the €9 debate again, been there done that, waste of time.

normanoffside wrote: »

AFAIK I know he takes the number of Covid admissions and Covid discharges each day and works it out from there.
As he says in the comments up until a few weeks ago hospital transmission hospitalisations were listed but have now been removed from daily reports.

Here's an example of the above. There's a net -9 patients going by admissions minus Discharges but the number of Covid patients has gone up by 5.
Ergo, 14 must have acquired it inside the hospital.

https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1326831044935475200

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Unfortunately I think it will be

**** sake...I've only just lost the weight