The John Delaney Story (RTE One)

jams100 · 10-11-2020 01:13AM

You'd wonder how delaney is still walking the streets, if that was you or i we'd be certainly be in prison by now. Unfortunately this just sums up this country zero accountability

RyanDrive · 10-11-2020 01:22AM

Foes anyone remember what the song that played over the end credits was?

NIMAN · 10-11-2020 01:29AM

Having just finished the book "Champagne Football today", none of the programme was news, but its still baffling how he was able to get away with so much, for so long.

The people who worked with him behind the scenes have cases to answer to, for letting it get so out of control.

Atlantic Dawn · 10-11-2020 01:45AM

jams100 wrote: »

You'd wonder how delaney is still walking the streets, if that was you or i we'd be certainly be in prison by now. Unfortunately this just sums up this country zero accountability

What you really have to ask is who was signing off on the accounts each and every year and additionally how the government was providing so much public funds to them unchecked.

NIMAN · 10-11-2020 01:48AM

The one that really shocked me was the €3m severance package, which was signed off by 2 on the board, yet the rest of the board knew nothing about.

In any company would that be able to happen?

Also, it appears the FAI was on the verge of bankruptcy since around 2010, how come all the auditors doing their books didn't flag anything?

Ten Pin · 10-11-2020 01:59AM

Does anyone remember what the song that played over the end credits was?

Those Were The Days

ChikiChiki · 10-11-2020 02:10AM

NIMAN wrote: »

The one that really shocked me was the €3m severance package, which was signed off by 2 on the board, yet the rest of the board knew nothing about.

In any company would that be able to happen?

Also, it appears the FAI was on the verge of bankruptcy since around 2010, how come all the auditors doing their books didn't flag anything?

He consolidated the big power over the accounts with Murray and Cody. Murray was only half with it and Cody a loyalist. Completely pulled the wool over the rest of the board with that sneaky 3 million deal.

Deloitte have a massive case to answer also for failing to spot red flags or investigate thoroughly in their audit fieldwork. They held the gig for a very long time and I find it hard to believe in all those years they never questioned the governance structure and carried out tests on the controls in place. Like everything hardly appeared hunky dory to them as they probed.

StupidLikeAFox · 10-11-2020 03:31AM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Deloitte have a massive case to answer also for failing to spot red flags or investigate thoroughly in their audit fieldwork. They held the gig for a very long time and I find it hard to believe in all those years they never questioned the governance structure and carried out tests on the controls in place. Like everything hardly appeared hunky dory to them as they probed.

Deloitte did an audit in a company I once worked for and they raised red flags around access that people had to folders on a shared drive a few months after they moved role. Yet somehow they can miss John Delaney giving the fai a 100k loan, the fai paying 80k for his birthday party, 10s of thousands in unexplained credit card expenses - makes no sense.

10-11-2020 06:41AM

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

Deloitte did an audit in a company I once worked for and they raised red flags around access that people had to folders on a shared drive a few months after they moved role. Yet somehow they can miss John Delaney giving the fai a 100k loan, the fai paying 80k for his birthday party, 10s of thousands in unexplained credit card expenses - makes no sense.

Makes a lot of sense when you consider how this country works.

jams100 · 10-11-2020 06:18PM

Kind of sums up this country, they try for months and months to get Delaney to answer questions, he comes in reads out a statement basically sticks his middle finger up and says he won't answer questions then you have the likes of Michael the exact type of person who was backing Delaney as he was handing out the €5,000 cheques to local clubs. Comes in and doesn't even ask a question but just reads out a glorifying statement. YET, he gets re elected

10-11-2020 07:07PM

jams100 wrote: »

Kind of sums up this country, they try for months and months to get Delaney to answer questions, he comes in reads out a statement basically sticks his middle finger up and says he won't answer questions then you have the likes of Michael the exact type of person who was backing Delaney as he was handing out the €5,000 cheques to local clubs. Comes in and doesn't even ask a question but just reads out a glorifying statement. YET, he gets re elected

Delaney and the Healy-Rae's are flies from the same steaming pile of shtye.

kippy · 10-11-2020 07:08PM

Looking forward to 5 years time when a similar documentary looks at what happens people who do what JD did.

obi604 · 10-11-2020 07:28PM

so where is the whole thing left now?

Is Delaney free and will never get reprimanded or does it have to go through 6 tribunals before he can be touched?

kippy · 10-11-2020 07:31PM

obi604 wrote: »

so where is the whole thing left now?

Is Delaney free and will never get reprimanded or does it have to go through 6 tribunals before he can be touched?

Very little will happen is my guess. Lots of bluster, lots of talk but ultimately nothing.
This is one of the reasons why we have major issues in this country. So many investigations going on and so many news cycles to keep them quiet

ChikiChiki · 10-11-2020 08:45PM

jams100 wrote: »

Kind of sums up this country, they try for months and months to get Delaney to answer questions, he comes in reads out a statement basically sticks his middle finger up and says he won't answer questions then you have the likes of Michael the exact type of person who was backing Delaney as he was handing out the €5,000 cheques to local clubs. Comes in and doesn't even ask a question but just reads out a glorifying statement. YET, he gets re elected

John Delaney himself was laughing at Healy Rae ffs.

Absolute jokers himself and Danny. He'd be lovebombing Trump right now if it got him a hotel down in Kilgarvan.

NIMAN · 10-11-2020 08:56PM

kippy wrote: »

Very little will happen is my guess. Lots of bluster, lots of talk but ultimately nothing.
This is one of the reasons why we have major issues in this country. So many investigations going on and so many news cycles to keep them quiet

Did he actually do anything illegal though?

I'm no legal eagle, but proving that is what will get him in trouble.

Just spending money you hadn't got isn't illegal afaik. He will have to be seen to be falsifying accounts etc.

jams100 · 10-11-2020 09:24PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Did he actually do anything illegal though?

I'm no legal eagle, but proving that is what will get him in trouble.

Just spending money you hadn't got isn't illegal afaik. He will have to be seen to be falsifying accounts etc.

Apparently his girlfriend received 85k and 25k of that made its way back to john delaneys account thats what could get him in trouble, thats mazars report was sent to the gardai and odce, but that was at the end of June. Hopefully he sees jail even if its only for a few months but I'm not holding my breathe

kippy · 10-11-2020 09:34PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Did he actually do anything illegal though?

I'm no legal eagle, but proving that is what will get him in trouble.

Just spending money you hadn't got isn't illegal afaik. He will have to be seen to be falsifying accounts etc.

If you read enough and watch enough about what has gone on over the past 2 decades you'd be hard pressed to make the conclusion that everything that happened was above board.
Yes, proving it is the issue - but again, I'd say that there are likely to be very few repurcussions for JD coming out of this.

On the other hand it's hard to see how the guy could hold his head up and work for other people after all that has happened but it appears he is being employed at the moment.

boege · 10-11-2020 09:48PM

I read this thread with some feeling of despair.

Everything, Delaney was paid and spent, as CEO, had to be approved by the board. As a Director of a Board myself I am well aware of my responsibilities to act with knowledge and responsibility. The CEO does not set his own salary. The CEO does not approve their own expenses. These matters are approved by the board. Where the CEO uses funds without approval then the CEO is culpable. Where the board approves an activity or payment then the board carries responsibility.

The CEO does prepare and submit accounts to the board for approval and it is the boards job to interrogate such accounts before approving. Any decent board requires an experienced legal person plus an experienced accounting person.

The FAI has a long history of people on the board with limited Director experience. The FAI is not unique in these shortcomings and the 2014 companies act was brought in to deal with irresponsible directors.

Pointing the finger at Delaney is missing the bigger picture. There are plenty of would be CEO's lining up to take advantage of weak boards and, more despairingly, weak boards are, far too often, not an accident.

ChikiChiki · 10-11-2020 09:52PM

kippy wrote: »

If you read enough and watch enough about what has gone on over the past 2 decades you'd be hard pressed to make the conclusion that everything that happened was above board.
Yes, proving it is the issue - but again, I'd say that there are likely to be very few repurcussions for JD coming out of this.

On the other hand it's hard to see how the guy could hold his head up and work for other people after all that has happened but it appears he is being employed at the moment.

Narcissism and delusion. I doubt he sees he done anything wrong at all.

kippy · 10-11-2020 10:12PM

boege wrote: »

I read this thread with some feeling of despair.

Everything, Delaney was paid and spent, as CEO, had to be approved by the board. As a Director of a Board myself I am well aware of my responsibilities to act with knowledge and responsibility. The CEO does not set his own salary. The CEO does not approve their own expenses. These matters are approved by the board. Where the CEO uses funds without approval then the CEO is culpable. Where the board approves an activity or payment then the board carries responsibility.

The CEO does prepare and submit accounts to the board for approval and it is the boards job to interrogate such accounts before approving. Any decent board requires an experienced legal person plus an experienced accounting person.

The FAI has a long history of people on the board with limited Director experience. The FAI is not unique in these shortcomings and the 2014 companies act was brought in to deal with irresponsible directors.

Pointing the finger at Delaney is missing the bigger picture. There are plenty of would be CEO's lining up to take advantage of weak boards and, more despairingly, weak boards are, far too often, not an accident.

Ah yeah, for sure. There is massive board culpability as well. And I am sure that will be a big part of his defence.

Agent Coulson · 10-11-2020 10:49PM

I wonder if Healy Rae was on a few boards that John Delaney gave €5k too when he was down Kerry way.

The Healy Rae family does seem to have its fingers in the pots of a lot of organizations down there.

robwen · 10-11-2020 10:56PM

jams100 wrote: »

Apparently his girlfriend received 85k and 25k of that made its way back to john delaneys account thats what could get him in trouble, thats mazars report was sent to the gardai and odce, but that was at the end of June. Hopefully he sees jail even if its only for a few months but I'm not holding my breathe

Did I pick this up right she was a Montessori teacher & got paid 85k by the FAI & she had no idea why or knew nothing about it

Liamo57 · 10-11-2020 11:08PM

He was an ugly flute and because of the money was riding Emma ? and she was living the dream like any blond bimbo. Its all gone now and shes back in a 2 bed semi looking for the next budgeen with a few bob. Its great press. Best of luck Johnno, a chip off the ould block, the ould lad was a dodgy dealer also. Yup there the Deise.

hurikane · 10-11-2020 11:38PM

Liamo57 wrote: »

He was an ugly flute and because of the money was riding Emma ? and she was living the dream like any blond bimbo. Its all gone now and shes back in a 2 bed semi looking for the next budgeen with a few bob. Its great press. Best of luck Johnno, a chip off the ould block, the ould lad was a dodgy dealer also. Yup there the Deise.

Heard she’s been driving around in a Ferrari. Hardly in a 2 bed semi with a Ferrari on the drive?

ElBastardo1 · 10-11-2020 11:40PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Did he actually do anything illegal though?

I'm no legal eagle, but proving that is what will get him in trouble.

Just spending money you hadn't got isn't illegal afaik. He will have to be seen to be falsifying accounts etc.

jams100 wrote: »

Apparently his girlfriend received 85k and 25k of that made its way back to john delaneys account thats what could get him in trouble, thats mazars report was sent to the gardai and odce, but that was at the end of June. Hopefully he sees jail even if its only for a few months but I'm not holding my breathe

robwen wrote: »

Did I pick this up right she was a Montessori teacher & got paid 85k by the FAI & she had no idea why or knew nothing about it

He didn't do anything illegal? He was taking cash out of the FAI credit card for years. Business expenses are one thing, his behavior with the company credit card was outrageous and would have had tax implications. He is in for a bumpy ride (hopefully) in regards to these issues.

The ex getting huge cash payments should get him into another spot of bother. I'd say Revenue are getting the saddle ready, as they are going to ride him into next week.

Hangdogroad · 11-11-2020 09:46AM

KaneToad wrote: »

But a very apt summation of the character of the man (Healy Rae, that is).

The man has the morals of a sewer rat and the beady dead eyes of a great white shark.

11-11-2020 12:24PM

kippy wrote: »

If you read enough and watch enough about what has gone on over the past 2 decades you'd be hard pressed to make the conclusion that everything that happened was above board.
Yes, proving it is the issue - but again, I'd say that there are likely to be very few repurcussions for JD coming out of this.

On the other hand it's hard to see how the guy could hold his head up and work for other people after all that has happened but it appears he is being employed at the moment.

who is actually employing him and for what?

The only way I see him being useful is if like the Frank Abagnale guy (inspired "Catch me if you can") that he advises companies on fraud from the point-of-view of being a complete fraud himself.

coL · 12-11-2020 09:56AM

Does anyone know if/when this is going to be repeated? Missed it on Monday &#55357;&#56897;

Dayo93 · 12-11-2020 10:00AM

coL wrote: »

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The John Delaney Story (RTE One)

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