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Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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  • #2552
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Gael23 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/McConnellDaniel/status/1326625366300119040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1326625366300119040%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boards.ie%2Fvbulletin%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D2058119735page%3D486
    Back into lockdown in January & February then.

    Why can't the government just ask for a bit of moderation and self-control, instead of this idea of a December free-for-all? We can see our families with a bit of distance, and don't need to be packing out pubs full of strangers.

    This messaging is frankly stupid.


  • #2553
    Antares35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Great for you

    Sounds like a lovely day

    Where did you get the figure of "two million adults want to do the 12 pubs in December."?

    That's a laugh

    The majority who I know want the travel restrictions lifted so that they can see friends, family and partners in other counties

    The pub not to mind 12 pubs is far down the list of priorities

    NPHET won't agree to open pubs so it will be a moot point anyway

    Yes, it will be a lovely day. I plucked the figure from the top of my head of course. In terms of whether it's an accurate reflection of reality, I'd say it's more or less on par with your anecdotal evidence :)

    If you're looking for a laugh, I'd say your comment about pubs being "far down the list of priorities" should do the trick. Pubs is all we've heard about...


  • #2554
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    is_that_so wrote: »
    This is what I am talking about.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1111/1177512-covid-travel-latest/

    Am I reading the above correctly ?

    The plain people of Ireland are successfully reducing the case numbers for a second time, at great expense to themselves.

    Meanwhile that dopey git of a minister is making it easier for us to be seeded with new infections from red zones.

    UNBELIEVABLE !


  • #2555
    Antares35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    Am I reading the above correctly ?

    The plain people of Ireland are successfully reducing the case numbers for a second time, at great expense to themselves.

    Meanwhile that dopey git of a minister is making it easier for us to be seeded with new infections from red zones.

    UNBELIEVABLE !
    They've done this from day one. It's been one rule for us and another for people coming in. God forbid they grow a pair and risk píssing off the tourists.


  • #2556
    I see sheep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    hmmm wrote: »
    Back into lockdown in January & February then.

    Why can't the government just ask for a bit of moderation and self-control, instead of this idea of a December free-for-all? We can see our families with a bit of distance, and don't need to be packing out pubs full of strangers.

    This messaging is frankly stupid.

    Is your logic to stay in lock down to avoid lock down? That doesn't make any sense

    "a terrible war imposed by the provisional IRA"

    Our West Brit Taoiseach



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  • #2557
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    Am I reading the above correctly ?

    The plain people of Ireland are successfully reducing the case numbers for a second time, at great expense to themselves.

    Meanwhile that dopey git of a minister is making it easier for us to be seeded with new infections from red zones.

    UNBELIEVABLE !
    That seems to be the plan, but I think it's part of the EU wide one. That test looks like an option for people to shorten their restrictions.


  • #2558
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Why do people expect a January lockdown? It takes weeks and weeks for cases to build back up

    At worst we'll be looking at February which may be slightly mitigated by whatever vaccinations can be done in the mean time


  • #2559
    3xh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭3xh


    is_that_so wrote: »
    This is what I am talking about.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1111/1177512-covid-travel-latest/

    Oh my god. Here......

    ‘He said these guidelines are advisory and there is no legal basis for enforcing them, although the passenger locator form is a legal requirement.’

    From your own article.

    Like I said, critical thinking.


  • #2560
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,231 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    majcos wrote: »
    Does anyone know the source of the data on which this tweet is based? Where did he get his figure of 121 out of 279 admitted with Covid versus in hospital with Covid?

    AFAIK I know he takes the number of Covid admissions and Covid discharges each day and works it out from there.
    As he says in the comments up until a few weeks ago hospital transmission hospitalisations were listed but have now been removed from daily reports.


  • #2561
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    3xh wrote: »
    Oh my god. Here......

    ‘He said these guidelines are advisory and there is no legal basis for enforcing them, although the passenger locator form is a legal requirement.’

    From your own article.

    Like I said, critical thinking.

    Thats always how its been though


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  • #2562
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,129 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    hmmm wrote: »
    Back into lockdown in January & February then.

    Why can't the government just ask for a bit of moderation and self-control, instead of this idea of a December free-for-all? We can see our families with a bit of distance, and don't need to be packing out pubs full of strangers.

    This messaging is frankly stupid.

    I will probably be castigated for being a killjoy, but honestly after all the lockdowns and restrictions to get the numbers down, while MM wants to semi open things up for Christmas to me is a joke.

    Just allow families to visit each other across county boundaries and most of us will be delighted. We all know the rules now and those with elderly parents, vulnerable people will be very careful.

    It won't be an issue in Jan/Feb if we just stay safe and do what is asked of us for the sake of community. That's what saved S Korea and places East, they don't operate on a Me Fein basis, rather a community/societal basis.


  • #2563
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,231 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    Am I reading the above correctly ?

    The plain people of Ireland are successfully reducing the case numbers for a second time, at great expense to themselves.

    Meanwhile that dopey git of a minister is making it easier for us to be seeded with new infections from red zones.

    UNBELIEVABLE !

    It's better than our current system where they can just roam freely without any test.


  • #2564
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,218 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    hmmm wrote: »
    Back into lockdown in January & February then.

    Why can't the government just ask for a bit of moderation and self-control, instead of this idea of a December free-for-all? We can see our families with a bit of distance, and don't need to be packing out pubs full of strangers.

    This messaging is frankly stupid.

    I presume the tweet means that they acknowledge that restrictions will be lessened by December, not totally done away with. But they are so stupid that I couldn't be sure.

    People are baulking at level three - "not good enough" - but realistically I can't see any other approach, with a few tweaks perhaps. Level three does allow non essential retail to open, which is a big deal. Going to level two would be foolhardy in the extreme and would indicate to me that they've learned absolutely nothing - and as sure as night follows day we'll be back where we started once again in January and February. But maybe people don't care.


  • #2565
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    normanoffside wrote: »
    It's better than our current system where they can just roam freely without any test.
    It seems more like an effort to get travel moving.


  • #2566
    I see sheep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    normanoffside wrote: »
    It's better than our current system where they can just roam freely without any test.

    The test will be optional so I don't get why anyone would do it?

    "a terrible war imposed by the provisional IRA"

    Our West Brit Taoiseach



  • #2567
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    I see sheep wrote: »
    Ths test will be optional so I don't get why anyone would do it?
    It would mean a choice, an expensive one, of ending your restrictions a lot faster with a negative test.


  • #2568
    nofools
    Closed Accounts Posts: 608 ✭✭✭nofools


    is_that_so wrote: »
    That seems to be the plan, but I think it's part of the EU wide one. That test looks like an option for people to shorten their restrictions.

    The EU has shown itself to be retarded.

    Suffered serious harm for a teeny tiny bit of tourism.


  • #2569
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    hmmm wrote: »
    Back into lockdown in January & February then.

    Why can't the government just ask for a bit of moderation and self-control, instead of this idea of a December free-for-all? We can see our families with a bit of distance, and don't need to be packing out pubs full of strangers.

    This messaging is frankly stupid.

    I can't see pubs being allowed open by NPHET

    Restaurants and gastro pubs maybe for the last two weeks before Christmas and up to new year

    A lot of people won't get to see family at a distance if the travel restrictions aren't eased

    I don't care about not entering a pub or resturant

    I do care about seeing friends, family, partner in other counties

    December doesn't need to a free for all but it does need to be opened up quite significantly as even if they choose not then people will ignore the rules imo


  • #2570
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Just allow families to visit each other across county boundaries and most of us will be delighted. We all know the rules now and those with elderly parents, vulnerable people will be very careful.
    That's exactly what the messaging should be. "We're lifting geographic restrictions, x numbers of people can meet on Christmas week but please be careful and avoid large gatherings. Don't meet all your friends just because you can. "

    These tweets and other leaks are beginning to give the impression that it will be a "normal" Christmas and we can all go mad for a month. It's stupid politics and worse public health guidance.


  • #2571
    I see sheep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It would mean a choice, an expensive one, of ending your restrictions a lot faster with a negative test.

    Fair enough. But I mean the advice to self isolate is only advisory.

    "a terrible war imposed by the provisional IRA"

    Our West Brit Taoiseach



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  • #2572
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    nofools wrote: »
    The EU has shown itself to be retarded.

    Suffered serious harm for a teeny tiny bit of tourism.
    Maybe but it looks more like a common way to manage travel in the EU. To date countries have been doing their own thing.


  • #2573
    Seamai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    Antares35 wrote: »
    This. It's one day. And this fairly recent adult obsession with "Christmas jammies" and the like is odd. Granted the hyper consumerism has always been a part of it. We are free to have turkey and ham and overcooked fart balls any day of the year.

    Glad someone else hates sprouts as much as I do, Satan's farts I call them.


  • #2574
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    is_that_so wrote: »
    That seems to be the plan, but I think it's part of the EU wide one. That test looks like an option for people to shorten their restrictions.

    novel-coronavirus-cases-worldwide-11-november-2020.png?itok=gaVLQb7y

    And the EU have been so successful in limiting the spread of the virus so far :rolleyes:

    Over half of the worlds reported cases just a few days ago !!

    Yeaa... We are to believe that this ill conceived traffic light system is really going to work.

    And my understanding is that the rapid test on it's own is not worth the paper it is written on, unless it is repeated in 3 to 5 days. Leaving aside the real concerns about it's accuracy.

    One test will miss those who are in the early stages of infection, simply because they do not yet have a high viral load.


  • #2575
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    I see sheep wrote: »
    Fair enough. But I mean the advice to self isolate is only advisory.
    Sure, it's all advisory anyway! Most people do seem to observe it though and 5 days beats 10 or 14 days.


  • #2576
    I see sheep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    KrustyUCC wrote: »

    I don't care about not entering a pub or resturant

    I do care about seeing friends, family, partner in other counties

    December doesn't need to a free for all but it does need to be opened up quite significantly as even if they choose not then people will ignore the rules imo

    People in the hospitality business DO care about people being allowed into pubs and restaurants.. as you care about your livelyhood I assume.

    And you're right, it doesn't need to a free for all with proper guidelines in pubs.

    "a terrible war imposed by the provisional IRA"

    Our West Brit Taoiseach



  • #2577
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    hmmm wrote: »
    That's exactly what the messaging should be. "We're lifting geographic restrictions, x numbers of people can meet on Christmas week but please be careful and avoid large gatherings. Don't meet all your friends just because you can. "

    These tweets and other leaks are beginning to give the impression that it will be a "normal" Christmas and we can all go mad for a month. It's stupid politics and worse public health guidance.
    People do need hope and belief in a respite of sorts so in all probability politics will win out. I doubt we'll go mad though.


  • #2578
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Some of you don't live in the real world.

    "Keep the pubs closed"
    "We can see families from a distance"
    "No need to be going for pints"
    "It's a disgrace that we live in a Mé Féin society, I'm happy once I see my family" (Where do I even begin with that one. Self awareness anyone? :D )

    Genuinely, if some of you think that keeping pubs closed and "social distancing" at Christmas is going to stop people from gathering at Christmas, be it families or house parties or drinking parties, you're very naïve.

    Whatever restrictions are left in place, they'll be broken!

    I'd hate to be in the hospitality sector on here, reading some of these posts. I wouldn't like to see how some of you treat the waiting staff

    Furthermore, why is everyone, wetting the bed as if it's going to a free for all? It's not! Far from it


  • #2579
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    hmmm wrote: »
    That's exactly what the messaging should be. "We're lifting geographic restrictions, x numbers of people can meet on Christmas week but please be careful and avoid large gatherings. Don't meet all your friends just because you can. "

    These tweets and other leaks are beginning to give the impression that it will be a "normal" Christmas and we can all go mad for a month. It's stupid politics and worse public health guidance.

    Could just be negotiating tactic for NPHET

    This is what our members and the public want

    It's far likely that they get what you propose "We're lifting geographic restrictions, x numbers of people can meet on Christmas week but please be careful and avoid large gatherings. Don't meet all your friends just because you can. "

    Ones thing for sure no matter what the politicians are talking about they won't go against NPHET advice

    They don't have the guts to do so again as the media will kill them if things go wrong after Christmas


  • #2580
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,231 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    I see sheep wrote: »
    The test will be optional so I don't get why anyone would do it?

    Maybe so people can go back to work within a week after having been abroad.

    Go back to school or work if they're an international student or health care worker who has been home for the Christmas holidays.

    It Allows for essential travel without having to restrict movements for 2 full weeks.


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  • #2581
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Could just be negotiating tactic for NPHET

    This is what our members and the public want

    It's far likely that they get what you propose "We're lifting geographic restrictions, x numbers of people can meet on Christmas week but please be careful and avoid large gatherings. Don't meet all your friends just because you can. "

    Ones thing for sure no matter what the politicians are talking about they won't go against NPHET advice

    They don't have the guts to do so again as the media will kill them if things go wrong after Christmas

    There's a balance between the risk of higher cases and the mental lift for people at the prospect of a Christmas they can plan for. I think that media response depends a lot more on where the vaccine progress is.


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