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Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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  • #2522
    Ferris_Bueller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,676 ✭✭✭Ferris_Bueller


    If Level 3 is the 'aim' for December that is depressing. Am I correct in saying that means we still won't be allowed to leave your county, still no gatherings in houses, pubs and restaurants closed (surely not many can open with outdoor sitting in December)? The only real difference I see between level 5 and level 3 is being able to get your hair cut. Going to Level 3 for Christmas would be nothing more than a token gesture for most people.

    People are going to do their own thing in December, the government must realise this. If they decide to go to Level 3 we will still end up with a spike in January yet we will not have a lot of the economic benefits and many businesses will surely be on the verge of collapsing (restaurants/bars). Many people are going to meet up in December and around Christmas, whether that is in a house, a restaurant or a pub probably depends on the decision the government make, I would think they might as well get some of the economic benefit out of it by allowing these businesses to open for a few weeks rather than keeping them closed and people just meet up in houses. It will be tense watching their announcement at the end of November with their intentions for the Christmas period.


  • #2523
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,249 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Ferris_Bueller wrote: »
    If Level 3 is the 'aim' for December that is depressing. Am I correct in saying that means we still won't be allowed to leave your county, still no gatherings in houses, pubs and restaurants closed (surely not many can open with outdoor sitting in December)? The only real difference I see between level 5 and level 3 is being able to get your hair cut. Going to Level 3 for Christmas would be nothing more than a token gesture for most people.

    People are going to do their own thing in December, the government must realise this. If they decide to go to Level 3 we will still end up with a spike in January yet we will not have a lot of the economic benefits and many businesses will surely be on the verge of collapsing (restaurants/bars). Many people are going to meet up in December and around Christmas, whether that is in a house, a restaurant or a pub probably depends on the decision the government make, I would think they might as well get some of the economic benefit out of it by allowing these businesses to open for a few weeks rather than keeping them closed and people just meet up in houses. It will be tense watching their announcement at the end of November with their intentions for the Christmas period.

    Level 3


    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0917/1165506-what-does-level-3-mean-covid/


  • #2524
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    This is from someone who says the real issue with the pandemic is that the pubs aren't open?

    Proper steps in nursing homes, like what exactly?
    I've heard it on this thread before, 'protect the vulnerable' & 'open the pubs'.

    It's almost impossible to protect the vulnerable. Nursing homes are unfortunately exposed to the community.

    If you want to protect the vulnerable in nursing homes you need to hire a hotel for each nursing home. House all the staff there for the duration. All staff. No exceptions. Staff can't have any visitors and are not allowed leave the hotel except for their work shifts. No visitors to the nursing home.

    Im not advocating for these steps. I think it's basically impossible and very hard for staff members not to see their family members (spouses and children) or even not being able to live in their own homes.

    I'm just saying that's what protect the nursing homes means.


  • #2525
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    The government will do what NPHET tell them I fear


  • #2526
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,759 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    No Irish minks have tested positive according to the Department of Agriculture.


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  • #2527
    mcburns07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,410 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    No Irish minks have tested positive according to the Department of Agriculture.

    A testament to the hard work and sacrifices made by the minks of Ireland.


  • #2528
    optogirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,042 ✭✭✭optogirl


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    No Irish minks have tested positive according to the Department of Agriculture.

    Fake fur news!


  • #2529
    Chris_5339762
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,156 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Yet healthcare staff can't go out and get a test.

    We should be testing all healthcare staff monthly, at least.


  • #2530
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    No Irish minks have tested positive according to the Department of Agriculture.

    What about the Irish minx?


  • #2531
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,837 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    It's almost impossible to protect the vulnerable. Nursing homes are unfortunately exposed to the community.
    If you want to protect the vulnerable in nursing homes you need to hire a hotel for each nursing home. House all the staff there for the duration. All staff. No exceptions. Staff can't have any visitors and are not allowed leave the hotel except for their work shifts. No visitors to the nursing home.
    Im not advocating for these steps. I think it's basically impossible and very hard for staff members not to see their family members (spouses and children) or even not being able to live in their own homes.
    I'm just saying that's what protect the nursing homes means.

    Exactly - thanks for spelling it out... if the nursing home were still staffed by nuns we'd be doing ok... as it is you're talking about conscripting nursing home staff for the duration.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • #2532
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    What about the Irish minx?

    She’s the leader of the opposition in the Dail!


  • #2533
    Antares35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    appledrop wrote: »
    The Taoisesch now saying Level 3 a target for December.

    Enough is enough that is not good enough.

    Level 3 doesn't allow anyone to leave the county. How is that going to work for people at Christmas?

    Restaurants will be closed 10 weeks in Dublin by Dec 1st. You still can't eat indoors in Level 3.

    I couldn't care less about pubs but I want to at least be able to go out for nice meals again.

    Having not left Country in over a year I would also like to have a break away in nice hotel.

    Meanwhile any Tom, Dick,+ Harry will soon be able to enter Ireland with very few restrictions but we can do nothing at home.

    Ffs this is not what people signed up to when we went into lockdown for 6 weeks.

    We didn't "sign up" to anything, you make it sound like we had some kind of choice.


  • #2534
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,151 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    I think it could be a case of keep expectalow and overdeliver


  • #2535
    screamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,193 ✭✭✭screamer


    Gael23 wrote: »
    I think it could be a case of keep expectalow and overdeliver

    No, I don’t think so, when have Irish governments ever over delivered outside of large tax increases on budget day..... I think level 3 will be good as it gets. Utterly depressing. I just feel that this whole year has been robbed from us.


  • #2536
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,151 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    https://twitter.com/McConnellDaniel/status/1326625366300119040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1326625366300119040%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boards.ie%2Fvbulletin%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D2058119735page%3D486


  • #2537
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,232 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    The nightmare is returning to Italy fast it seems. 33,000 new cases today and 623 new deaths.

    In the UK they have seen 23,000 new cases and 525 new deaths.

    France 36,000 new cases and 328 new deaths.

    Germany 21,000 new cases and 222 new deaths so far today.

    The only way to avoid us going the same direction is to keep a firm lid on transmission.

    I don't think the government will be forgiven if, for the sake of Christmas, the guard is let down too much and we enter a dreadful situation in January as a result. I don't think they'll do that though.


  • #2538
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Couldn’t care less about Christmas, I’ll do what I always do either way.

    Let’s just get this vaccine to the elderly as soon as we can in 2021 so normality can resume.


  • #2539
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,151 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Couldn’t care less about Christmas, I’ll do what I always do either way.

    Let’s just get this vaccine to the elderly as soon as we can in 2021 so normality can resume.

    Christmas is the one things all year I’ve cared about. I guess when you have older family that you have perhaps limited chances remaining to have Christmas with in the future it makes you feel that way


  • #2540
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Gael23 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/McConnellDaniel/status/1326625366300119040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1326625366300119040%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boards.ie%2Fvbulletin%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D2058119735page%3D486

    Wait until Tony tells him otherwise


  • #2541
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Ferris_Bueller wrote: »
    If Level 3 is the 'aim' for December that is depressing. Am I correct in saying that means we still won't be allowed to leave your county, still no gatherings in houses, pubs and restaurants closed (surely not many can open with outdoor sitting in December)? The only real difference I see between level 5 and level 3 is being able to get your hair cut. Going to Level 3 for Christmas would be nothing more than a token gesture for most people.
    You've always been able to leave, the advice is not to do so for non-essential reasons. We should be moving to an Orange level on the EU travel plan. That should mean more freedom but few places potentially to visit unless you are prepared to do the new 5 day restricted movement (from the end of November) and take a test when you come back from a red zone.


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  • #2542
    brookers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭brookers


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    The nightmare is returning to Italy fast it seems. 33,000 new cases today and 623 new deaths.

    In the UK they have seen 23,000 new cases and 525 new deaths.

    France 36,000 new cases and 328 new deaths.

    Germany 21,000 new cases and 222 new deaths so far today.

    The only way to avoid us going the same direction is to keep a firm lid on transmission.

    I don't think the government will be forgiven if, for the sake of Christmas, the guard is let down too much and we enter a dreadful situation in January as a result. I don't think they'll do that though.

    Christmas is not a big deal for me. My inlaws think im strange because I dont go jumping up and down wearing christmas jumpers and drinking before 12 on christmas day. I dont buy 900 selection boxes in tesco for all you can have for 1 euro. I dont buy many presents. I do like carols and remember christmas of years ago when growing up. My mother all stressed out over the turkey etc. I grew up on a farm and we ate our christmas dinner at one, by half one it was all over. If the government allow people to go crazy at christmas, they will be looking at even schools closing after the holidays......


  • #2543
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Christmas is the one things all year I’ve cared about. I guess when you have older family that you have perhaps limited chances remaining to have Christmas with in the future it makes you feel that way

    Don’t let any restrictions stop you from enjoying that time.


  • #2544
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

    I don't think the government will be forgiven if, for the sake of Christmas, the guard is let down too much and we enter a dreadful situation in January as a result. I don't think they'll do that though.

    The opposite is also true

    The government won't be forgiven for ruining possibly the last Christmas that you could have spent with some friends, family, partners all over the possibility of a 'dreadful' situation in the future


  • #2545
    3xh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭3xh


    is_that_so wrote: »
    ......unless you are prepared to do the new 5 day restricted movement (from the end of November) and take a test when you come back from a red zone.

    Another daily reminder to anyone with a critical thought that you do not have to take a test and you do not have to restrict your movements.


  • #2546
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Can't say the horror Christmas painted by some posters, of drunken debauchery, is reality for many people. If you embrace it in any way or even enjoy it it's being able to spend time with people who matter. That's what the government mean when they talk about it being reasonable, that we might be able to do that. The drunkards will still do their thing anyway and those who dislike it it will ignore it.


  • #2547
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    normanoffside wrote: »
    Nearly 60% of Covid patients in Hospital didn't have it on admission.
    They got it while in Hospital; for other reasons

    https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1326455354042048513
    Does anyone know the source of the data on which this tweet is based? Where did he get his figure of 121 out of 279 admitted with Covid versus in hospital with Covid?


  • #2548
    Antares35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    brookers wrote: »
    Christmas is not a big deal for me. My inlaws think im strange because I dont go jumping up and down wearing christmas jumpers and drinking before 12 on christmas day. I dont buy 900 selection boxes in tesco for all you can have for 1 euro. I dont buy many presents. I do like carols and remember christmas of years ago when growing up. My mother all stressed out over the turkey etc. I grew up on a farm and we ate our christmas dinner at one, by half one it was all over. If the government allow people to go crazy at christmas, they will be looking at even schools closing after the holidays......

    This. It's one day. And this fairly recent adult obsession with "Christmas jammies" and the like is odd. Granted the hyper consumerism has always been a part of it. We are free to have turkey and ham and overcooked fart balls any day of the year.

    We've got a few toys for the little one (bought some lovely Irish pull along wooden toys for her) and for Christmas day OH and I will have a lovely whole side of salmon with a nice bottle of bubbly. Christmas Eve we will light a fire, a few scented candles and stick on some carols. Depending on restrictions, might have the neighbours in for some wine and ham sandwiches too.

    Parents are f*cking off abroad and I couldn't care less..it will be peaceful and lovely :)

    I'd rather not be going back into level five in the new year because two million adults want to do the 12 pubs in December.


  • #2549
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    3xh wrote: »
    Another daily reminder to anyone with a critical thought that you do not have to take a test and you do not have to restrict your movements.

    This is what I am talking about.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1111/1177512-covid-travel-latest/


  • #2550
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Antares35 wrote: »
    This. It's one day. And this fairly recent adult obsession with "Christmas jammies" and the like is odd. Granted the hyper consumerism has always been a part of it. We are free to have turkey and ham and overcooked fart balls any day of the year.

    We've got a few toys for the little one (bought some lovely Irish pull along wooden toys for her) and for Christmas day OH and I will have a lovely whole side of salmon with a nice bottle of bubbly. Christmas Eve we will light a fire, a few scented candles and stick on some carols. Depending on restrictions, might have the neighbours in for some wine and ham sandwiches too.

    Parents are f*cking off abroad and I couldn't care less..it will be peaceful and lovely :)

    I'd rather not be going back into level five in the new year because two million adults want to do the 12 pubs in December.

    Great for you

    Sounds like a lovely day

    Where did you get the figure of "two million adults want to do the 12 pubs in December."?

    That's a laugh

    The majority who I know want the travel restrictions lifted so that they can see friends, family and partners in other counties

    The pub not to mind 12 pubs is far down the list of priorities

    NPHET won't agree to open pubs so it will be a moot point anyway


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  • #2551
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,837 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Great for you
    Sounds like a lovely day
    Where did you get the figure of "two million adults want to do the 12 pubs in December."?
    That's a laugh
    The majority who I know want the travel restrictions lifted so that they can see friends, family and partners in other counties
    The pub not to mind 12 pubs is far down the list of priorities
    NPHET won't agree to open pubs so it will be a moot point anyway

    Ah, settling into a nice pub after work on a Friday before Christmas...
    Even better if it avoids being temporarily over-run by a 12 pubs invasion!
    I don't think I would be alone in these thoughts.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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