FE1 Exam Thread (Read 1st post!) NOTE: YOU MAY SWAP EXAM GRIDS

JayFE1 · 11-11-2020 06:11PM

lsheehaneire wrote: »

It mentioned criminal sanctions in delegated legislation so I presumed it was prompting principles and policies....oh christ knows

Ah stop man, soon as I see a “Long Title” and a government minister, the examiner is getting non -delegation even if he don’t want it!

I think you’re right with O’Sullivan too in the fishing question - no EU regulation but the facts were so tight (O Donnell - straitjacket point) and then the get out of jail card with fair procedures there and property today. It seemed to fit.

SKLaw · 11-11-2020 06:14PM

CoconutHeadMia wrote: »

Is there anywhere I could get something on the consumer insurance contract act in relation to misrepresentation? My manual doesn’t seem to have anything

Dillon Eustace has a good article about it, in my opinion

https://www.dilloneustace.com/legal-updates/consumer-insurance-contracts-act-2019-commenced

jus_me · 11-11-2020 06:30PM

Is constitutional generally marked hard or fair enough? Answered 4 average and one poorly- and trying to stay positive

fe1fi20 · 11-11-2020 06:31PM

SKLaw wrote: »

Dillon Eustace has a good article about it, in my opinion

https://www.dilloneustace.com/legal-updates/consumer-insurance-contracts-act-2019-commenced

whats this in relation to?

Jenosul · 11-11-2020 06:34PM

I find the marker to be nice and fair. He will give you marks for any correct attempts made. There are people I know who have thought they failed but ended up passing. It is the type of subject that you can argue almost anything that fits. I hope this helps and I have everything crossed for you.

SKLaw · 11-11-2020 06:50PM

fe1fi20 wrote: »

whats this in relation to?

There were some recent changes as to insurance contracts as part of misrepresentation under the Consumer Insurance Contracts Act 2019

Fe1user5555 · 11-11-2020 06:57PM

What’s everyone focusing on for EU?

XxMCRxBabyxX · 11-11-2020 07:23PM

FE12020Law wrote: »

Anyone else's confidence regrading law taking a battering when it comes to these exams? In my undergrad and postgrad I was consistently getting 2.1s/1.1s in all my law modules. When it comes to the Fe1s 3 of the exams I passed where all just over 50. I'm starting to think I might not be cut out for law. If I'm finding it this hard now who knows what the PPC course will be like. I don't fancy not being able to make it at the last stage.

I know this is from almost a week ago but I wanted to give an point of view from someone who is (very!) nearly qualified.

The FE1s very nearly killed me and I'm honestly still a little scarred by them. I sat 21 exams over 6 sittings in three years. I cried after almost every exam and again when my results came through. I went from being a consistent high 2.1 student to my highest result being a 52 in the few passes that I managed. I almost have up several times and am not really sure how I kept going if I'm honest.

But somehow I did, and PPC was a dream after them. It does involve work but it's completely different. It's open book so far more about your organisation skills than having to cram everything. And working in the office is completely different again.

The FE1s are the Leaving Cert of Law. Once you pass them, you never need to worry about them again. Unless you're me and still have nightmares about them...

If you or anyone else would like to PM me, please do. I'm happy to offer any support now that I'm at the other side!

LeagleEagle747 · 11-11-2020 07:30PM

XxMCRxBabyxX wrote: »

I know this is from almost a week ago but I wanted to give an point of view from someone who is (very!) nearly qualified.

The FE1s very nearly killed me and I'm honestly still a little scarred by them. I sat 21 exams over 6 sittings in three years. I cried after almost every exam and again when my results came through. I went from being a consistent high 2.1 student to my highest result being a 52 in the few passes that I managed. I almost have up several times and am not really sure how I kept going if I'm honest.

But somehow I did, and PPC was a dream after them. It does involve work but it's completely different. It's open book so far more about your organisation skills than having to cram everything. And working in the office is completely different again.

The FE1s are the Leaving Cert of Law. Once you pass them, you never need to worry about them again. Unless you're me and still have nightmares about them...

If you or anyone else would like to PM me, please do. I'm happy to offer any support now that I'm at the other side!

This really could not have come at a better time to me. Family issues meant I played it safe and only chose to do 3 this sitting and hoping to do the other 5 next sitting, which I now really regret. Feel as though I'm not bright enough despite having a masters in law but you've really made me feel so much better about this whole shebang. Thank you so much for this!

lsheehaneire · 11-11-2020 07:44PM

Constitution

Just wondering did anyone attempt the locus standi jus tertii question?

I think all I gave was a one liner in relation to the cases mentioned and then just talked about standing in a general sense...

I must say its quite unfair when you know a topic well and the majority of case law ,and then more recent case law are thrown in and that jeopardises that question.

It feels like the paper is actively trying to catch you out by providing you with an essay option but then it throws in very recent case law that you may not be aware of.

Similarly, the case note question seemed to be based all on more recent cases... is there an easy way to keep track of recent cases ?

lsheehaneire · 11-11-2020 07:49PM

LeagleEagle747 wrote: »

This really could not have come at a better time to me. Family issues meant I played it safe and only chose to do 3 this sitting and hoping to do the other 5 next sitting, which I now really regret. Feel as though I'm not bright enough despite having a masters in law but you've really made me feel so much better about this whole shebang. Thank you so much for this!

Thanks for your lovely message, it very kind of you. Any chance you could tell us your least favourite subject? ðŸ˜‰

jus_me · 11-11-2020 07:54PM

lsheehaneire wrote: »

Constitution

Just wondering did anyone attempt the locus standi jus tertii question?

I think all I gave was a one liner in relation to the cases mentioned and then just talked about standing in a general sense...

I must say its quite unfair when you know a topic well and the majority of case law ,and then more recent case law are thrown in and that jeopardises that question.

It feels like the paper is actively trying to catch you out by providing you with an essay option but then it throws in very recent case law that you may not be aware of.

Similarly, the case note question seemed to be based all on more recent cases... is there an easy way to keep track of recent cases ?

I attempted this.... gave one liner on each of the cases he mentioned and went on and just spoke about standing (with mentioning jus terrii randomly throughout without any real reason to mention it) winged it basically

XxMCRxBabyxX · 11-11-2020 07:57PM

lsheehaneire wrote: »

Thanks for your lovely message, it very kind of you. Any chance you could tell us your least favourite subject? ðŸ˜‰

I'm presuming this was meant for me?

It's probably Company (which is ironic because I'm now in a corporate firm) but that's probably because I got unlucky and not had to sit it four times but the legislation also changed for the last two!

lsheehaneire · 11-11-2020 07:59PM

jus_me wrote: »

I attempted this.... gave one liner on each of the cases he mentioned and went on and just spoke about standing (with mentioning jus terrii randomly throughout without any real reason to mention it) winged it basically

Yeah that's exactly what I did. Just hoping to at least get half marks ..

Dancing Obsession · 11-11-2020 08:01PM

Iso_123 wrote: »

The fishing question was my last one i answered it on article 10 natural resources and barlow case (although i said barlow v minister for environment when its actually barlow v minister for agriculture ugh) and then also mentioned right to earn a livelihood and proportionality? not sure if that was right though and also hate myself for getting the case name half wrong!!

I approached this question and give similar answer. I think that I only put barlow, so don't worry about it.

channing90 · 11-11-2020 08:01PM

lsheehaneire wrote: »

Constitution

Just wondering did anyone attempt the locus standi jus tertii question?

I think all I gave was a one liner in relation to the cases mentioned and then just talked about standing in a general sense...

I must say its quite unfair when you know a topic well and the majority of case law ,and then more recent case law are thrown in and that jeopardises that question.

It feels like the paper is actively trying to catch you out by providing you with an essay option but then it throws in very recent case law that you may not be aware of.

Similarly, the case note question seemed to be based all on more recent cases... is there an easy way to keep track of recent cases ?

I am convinced the examiner wanted to catch people out today, like you’d have to all the recent case law which is hard to keep track of and that question on jus terrti was tough I thought, I’d very little on it so couldn’t attempt it. 3 case notes was really to catch people out.

Fe7 · 11-11-2020 08:06PM

XxMCRxBabyxX wrote: »

I'm presuming this was meant for me?

It's probably Company (which is ironic because I'm now in a corporate firm) but that's probably because I got unlucky and not had to sit it four times but the legislation also changed for the last two!

Thanks for sharing. What approach did you take to learning?
Did you learn outwards in (ie manuals and such then focus on exam sample answers, if any?) or did you make your way backwards in a sense, ie. by learning sample answers then expanding what you knew in those areas with reading/learning to have a grasp of the principles? I have heard of a lot of people doing the latter and sailing through the FE1s. Of course thats without the legislative changes as you mentioned, which just throws a wrench into it all.

Edit: punctuation.

Fe1new4 · 11-11-2020 08:11PM

Could anyone tell me how well / how much to know for the EU precedents for consumer protection? Very tired after constitutional and keep getting them confused

arubamuuu · 11-11-2020 08:19PM

Contract

Does anyone know what the name of the case is where the plaintiff was a supplier and the defendant was I believe a supermarket. They never had a written agreement as the defendant had a policy of not entering into contracts with suppliers and the defendant then decided they wanted to get their products from someone else. The court held that since the defendant had such a policy they wouldn't imply a contract.

I know I have it somewhere in my manual/notes but I've been searching and cannot find it. I really hope someone knows what case I'm talking about lol

XxMCRxBabyxX · 11-11-2020 08:24PM

Fe7 wrote: »

Thanks for sharing. What approach did you take to learning?
Did you learn outwards in (ie manuals and such then focus on exam sample answers, if any?) or did you make your way backwards in a sense, ie. by learning sample answers then expanding what you knew in those areas with reading/learning to have a grasp of the principles? I have heard of a lot of people doing the latter and sailing through the FE1s. Of course thats without the legislative changes as you mentioned, which just throws a wrench into it all.

Edit: punctuation.

I'd say that I learned outward concentrating mainly on lecture notes and the manuals with some sample answers. I didn't do what many did and write reams of notes but I was a big fan of flashcards with the main topics and cases. You do need to be wary of sample answers though. They're not always the best!

shaunamarie · 11-11-2020 08:30PM

arubamuuu wrote: »

Contract

Does anyone know what the name of the case is where the plaintiff was a supplier and the defendant was I believe a supermarket. They never had a written agreement as the defendant had a policy of not entering into contracts with suppliers and the defendant then decided they wanted to get their products from someone else. The court held that since the defendant had such a policy they wouldn't imply a contract.

I know I have it somewhere in my manual/notes but I've been searching and cannot find it. I really hope someone knows what case I'm talking about lol

Dakota packaging v Wyeth medica I think !

Iso_123 · 11-11-2020 08:38PM

Dancing Obsession wrote: »

I approached this question and give similar answer. I think that I only put barlow, so don't worry about it.

I feel slightly better now thank you! Didn't help myself by completely mismanaging my time.. left myself short of time for this question.. fingers crossed anyway for all of us!

That's me done for now anyway 6 down and 2 more to go (hopefully) in March! good luck to everyone for the rest of the exams

katie5843 · 11-11-2020 08:39PM

In EU does anyone know the application of Articles 34-36 TFEU specifically to internal situations? I keep seeing it referenced on the examiner reportsbut its not in the manauls or lectures etc im using.

Hamerzan Sickles · 11-11-2020 08:42PM

Fe1user5555 wrote: »

What’s everyone focusing on for EU?

Institutions/Sources of EU Law
Direct Effect
Judicial Review
Free Movement of Goods
General Principles
Competition Law
State Aid
Preliminary Reference Procedure

Then if I have time:
Workers
Citizenship
Equality

Fedone · 11-11-2020 08:46PM

shaunamarie wrote: »

Dakota packaging v Wyeth medica I think !

Plus the English case along those lines was Baird Textile Holdings v Marks and Spencer

awsah · 11-11-2020 08:50PM

katie5843 wrote: »

In EU does anyone know the application of Articles 34-36 TFEU specifically to internal situations? I keep seeing it referenced on the examiner reportsbut its not in the manauls or lectures etc im using.

do you mean restrictions on imports and exports but not domestic products, or to wholly internal situations?

Art 36 sets out the exceptions to the prohibitions in Art 34 and 35 which are public policy, security and health.

If the measure applies to imports and exports but not domestic products it is directly discriminatory and can only be justified under the art 36 exceptions where they are proportionally applied.
If the measure having equivalent effect applies to import and domestic products but effects imports more than domestic products this is called an indistinctly applicable measure. These can be subject to the Art 36 justifications and objective justifications.

I hope this answers your question!!

Fe1user5555 · 11-11-2020 08:51PM

Hamerzan Sickles wrote: »

Institutions/Sources of EU Law
Direct Effect
Judicial Review
Free Movement of Goods
General Principles
Competition Law
State Aid
Preliminary Reference Procedure

Then if I have time:
Workers
Citizenship
Equality

Thanks so much!! Just regarding preliminary reference procedure my grid says it hasn’t been up since 2014 are you doing it in conjunction with a different topic? Sorry I just hadn’t planned on looking at it

awsah · 11-11-2020 08:55PM

Fe1user5555 wrote: »

Thanks so much!! Just regarding preliminary reference procedure my grid says it hasn’t been up since 2014 are you doing it in conjunction with a different topic? Sorry I just hadn’t planned on looking at it

it came up again in aug 2019. I'm worried that as this is the 4th EU paper this year that anything is liable to come up!!

arubamuuu · 11-11-2020 08:59PM

shaunamarie wrote: »

Dakota packaging v Wyeth medica I think !

Fedone wrote: »

Plus the English case along those lines was Baird Textile Holdings v Marks and Spencer

Thank you! These were what I was looking for

bluerthanu · 11-11-2020 09:27PM

awsah wrote: »

it came up again in aug 2019. I'm worried that as this is the 4th EU paper this year that anything is liable to come up!!

Aug 2019? Do you mean 2020, and if so, what question? I don’t have that on my grid!

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