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Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

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  • #5132
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,118 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    The poor man doesn't appear to know the meaning of the word "recant"

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1326522116779487243


  • #5133
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,635 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    The feeling Trump has of being hard done by is only fueled by the fact a postal worker reports people were back dating ballots, and then you find out that the postal worker is interrogated into back tracking his allegation, instead of them investigated the alleged fraud.
    There is a history of hounding and harassing whistleblowers rather than praising them for speaking up when they see a wrong. We've see that in Ireland a lot.


  • #5134
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,926 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    The feeling Trump has of being hard done by is only fueled by the fact a postal worker reports people were back dating ballots, and then you find out that the postal worker is interrogated into back tracking his allegation, instead of them investigated the alleged fraud.
    There is a history of hounding and harassing whistleblowers rather than praising them for speaking up when they see a wrong. We've see that in Ireland a lot.

    or maybe he wasn't telling the truth?


  • #5135
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,288 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    The feeling Trump has of being hard done by is only fueled by the fact a postal worker reports people were back dating ballots, and then you find out that the postal worker is interrogated into back tracking his allegation, instead of them investigated the alleged fraud.
    There is a history of hounding and harassing whistleblowers rather than praising them for speaking up when they see a wrong. We've see that in Ireland a lot.

    I don't see how that would fuel anything given the deplorable way Trump treated those that were whistleblowers on his actions as president.

    Those whistleblowers went under oath in front of cameras and stuck by their statements. This guy couldn't get through a single interview before recanting.


  • #5136
    vojiwox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 416 ✭✭vojiwox


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    The poor man doesn't appear to know the meaning of the word "recant"

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1326522116779487243

    But the article says he was coerced into recanting? Or am I reading it wrong?


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  • #5137
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,410 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Curious_Case wrote: »
    Does anyone else sense that somewhere, a decision has already been taken against Trump

    I sense that you might need to take a little break from the internet for a few weeks. Get some (socially distant) fresh air, read some books, do some yoga.............


  • #5138
    km991148
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    The feeling Trump has of being hard done by is only fueled by the fact a postal worker reports people were back dating ballots, and then you find out that the postal worker is interrogated into back tracking his allegation, instead of them investigated the alleged fraud.
    There is a history of hounding and harassing whistleblowers rather than praising them for speaking up when they see a wrong. We've see that in Ireland a lot.

    Have we?


  • #5139
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,410 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    robinph wrote: »
    So now saying things he doesn't like on twitter is evidence of election fraud?!?

    A poll showing him losing would surely have the effect of getting people out to vote for him and Biden supporters to think it wasn't worth the effort. How is reporting on a poll illegal? Does he actually have a point?

    I mean, didn't be bang on for weeks after the 2016 election about how all the polls had him down against Hilary and he managed to come out and win?

    So those polls weren't corruption, but these ones are?


  • #5140
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,759 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    vojiwox wrote: »
    But the article says he was coerced into recanting? Or am I reading it wrong?

    He *claims* he was coerced , but provided no evidence of that.

    He initially claimed that he never recanted it and the original WaPo article was a lie , now he says "Ok, I did recant , but I was coerced"

    The "affidavit" also doesn't align with the Project Veritas video either.

    In the Video he says he was never told to make changes and he didn't hear anyone be told to make changes but that he "thought" it might be something they might do.

    That morphed into "I definitely heard them say it" , which he recanted when actually interviewed by Law-enforcement where I assume that they explained to him the penalties for making false Statements.

    He may have construed them saying "You know , if you go forward with this and it turns out to be a lie , you'll be in big trouble and could go to jail" as coercion.

    It's not of course , but you know , it's how he feels that matters , not the facts.


  • #5141
    Curious_Case
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    I sense that you might need to take a little break from the internet for a few weeks. Get some (socially distant) fresh air, read some books, do some yoga.............

    Can't stop now

    Gotta reach 16,865 posts


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  • #5142
    Inquitus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,774 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    He *claims* he was coerced , but provided no evidence of that.

    He initially claimed that he never recanted it and the original WaPo article was a lie , now he says "Ok, I did recant , but I was coerced"

    The "affidavit" also doesn't align with the Project Veritas video either.

    In the Video he says he was never told to make changes and he didn't hear anyone be told to make changes but that he "thought" it might be something they might do.

    That morphed into "I definitely heard them say it" , which he recanted when actually interviewed by Law-enforcement where I assume that they explained to him the penalties for making false Statements.

    He may have construed them saying "You know , if you go forward with this and it turns out to be a lie , you'll be in big trouble and could go to jail" as coercion.

    It's not of course , but you know , it's how he feels that matters , not the facts.

    His gofundme got deleted, so he now stands to make nothing from his lies which is nice to see!


  • #5143
    MeMen2_MoRi_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    The feeling Trump has of being hard done by is only fueled by the fact a postal worker reports people were back dating ballots, and then you find out that the postal worker is interrogated into back tracking his allegation, instead of them investigated the alleged fraud.
    There is a history of hounding and harassing whistleblowers rather than praising them for speaking up when they see a wrong. We've see that in Ireland a lot.

    And trump and the republicans know all too well about hounding whistleblowers.. Alexander Vindman can you please stand up.


  • #5144
    Gunmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,067 ✭✭✭Gunmonkey


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    He *claims* he was coerced , but provided no evidence of that.

    He initially claimed that he never recanted it and the original WaPo article was a lie , now he says "Ok, I did recant , but I was coerced"

    The "affidavit" also doesn't align with the Project Veritas video either.

    In the Video he says he was never told to make changes and he didn't hear anyone be told to make changes but that he "thought" it might be something they might do.

    That morphed into "I definitely heard them say it" , which he recanted when actually interviewed by Law-enforcement where I assume that they explained to him the penalties for making false Statements.

    He may have construed them saying "You know , if you go forward with this and it turns out to be a lie , you'll be in big trouble and could go to jail" as coercion.

    It's not of course , but you know , it's how he feels that matters , not the facts.

    Thats my reading of "I was coerced into doing it"

    Strange how its easy to "coerce" someone into recanting a statement when you start to explain what perjury is!


  • #5145
    jm08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,338 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    He *claims* he was coerced , but provided no evidence of that.

    He initially claimed that he never recanted it and the original WaPo article was a lie , now he says "Ok, I did recant , but I was coerced"

    The "affidavit" also doesn't align with the Project Veritas video either.

    In the Video he says he was never told to make changes and he didn't hear anyone be told to make changes but that he "thought" it might be something they might do.

    That morphed into "I definitely heard them say it" , which he recanted when actually interviewed by Law-enforcement where I assume that they explained to him the penalties for making false Statements.

    He may have construed them saying "You know , if you go forward with this and it turns out to be a lie , you'll be in big trouble and could go to jail" as coercion.

    It's not of course , but you know , it's how he feels that matters , not the facts.


    I saw on twitter as well, that there were only about 2 or 3 ballots dated 3rd November in the facility that this guy was working in.


  • #5146
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    That's the traditional shelf life of Veritas affidavits. They last exactly as long as it takes for someone to explain the consequences of lying in one should the accusations have to go any further.


  • #5147
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,623 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Arguments made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

    Arguments made by Project Veritas can just be dismissed regardless.


  • #5148
    briany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,040 ✭✭✭✭briany


    jill_valentine wrote: »
    That's the traditional shelf life of Veritas affidavits. They last exactly as long as it takes for someone to explain the consequences of lying in one should the accusations have to go any further.

    Project Mendacium, more like.


  • #5149
    MeMen2_MoRi_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_


    Uhmm... Ooooookay..


    https://twitter.com/CarolLeonnig/status/1326529243921195008?s=19


    get-out.gif


  • #5150
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    robinph wrote: »
    So now saying things he doesn't like on twitter is evidence of election fraud?!?

    A poll showing him losing would surely have the effect of getting people out to vote for him and Biden supporters to think it wasn't worth the effort. How is reporting on a poll illegal? Does he actually have a point?


    Unfortunately, using the power of the office he holds in becomes fact instantly to more than a few people. :(


  • #5151
    Curious_Case
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Indulge me folks, for just a minute . . .

    I'm wondering if Mike Pence is being groomed for a few weeks of Pressie Fun ?

    He appears to be out of the picture at the moment.


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  • #5152
    MeMen2_MoRi_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_


    Curious_Case wrote: »
    Indulge me folks, for just a minute . . .

    I'm wondering if Mike Pence is being groomed for a few weeks of Pressie Fun ?

    He appears to be out of the picture at the moment.

    There's no one presidential enough to groom him.


  • #5153
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,961 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Curious_Case wrote: »
    Indulge me folks, for just a minute . . .

    I'm wondering if Mike Pence is being groomed for a few weeks of Pressie Fun ?

    He appears to be out of the picture at the moment.


    I think they are removing him from the equation while a ton of illegal **** is done so Trump doesn't need to pardon him for anything when he steps down and Pence can just straight up pardon Trump without it being seen as a direct Tit for Tat


  • #5154
    Sparko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,224 ✭✭✭Sparko


    Curious_Case wrote: »
    Indulge me folks, for just a minute . . .

    I'm wondering if Mike Pence is being groomed for a few weeks of Pressie Fun ?

    He appears to be out of the picture at the moment.

    He was supposedly heading off on holiday to Florida but that's been cancelled now.


  • #5155
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,759 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »
    Uhmm... Ooooookay..


    https://twitter.com/CarolLeonnig/status/1326529243921195008?s=19


    get-out.gif

    And this case is not about "Fraud" it's an argument about a technicality.

    Basically mail-in votes are supposed to have a "privacy envelope" with a signature and a few other items on the outside.

    The case here is saying that 592 votes have missing/incorrect info on this envelope.

    An admin error possibly and I'm sure there are a few of those that will be disputed , but absolutely categorically NOT fraud.


  • #5156
    Curious_Case
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »
    There's no one presidential enough to groom him.

    That's true, I wonder though, has he been pulled aside in preparation for a quick switch to ensure some kind of normality until Jan. 20th

    I guess he's the VP so no grooming required


  • #5157
    robinph
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Curious_Case wrote: »
    Indulge me folks, for just a minute . . .

    I'm wondering if Mike Pence is being groomed for a few weeks of Pressie Fun ?

    He appears to be out of the picture at the moment.

    December 15th after the EC votes are confirmed, Trump has an overnight Twitter shoutrage, then goes golfing and resigns as the USA clearly doesn't deserve someone as great as him. President Pence become 46 and Biden has to get his baseball caps re-made.

    I remember there was talk 4 years ago that Biden might take over for a day just to screw with Trumps merchandising efforts on the 45 branding, but Obama and Biden are not that petty. Trump on the other hand is.


  • #5158
    Curious_Case
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    robinph wrote: »
    December 15th after the EC votes are confirmed, Trump has an overnight Twitter shoutrage, then goes golfing and resigns as the USA clearly doesn't deserve someone as great as him. President Pence become 46 and Biden has to get his baseball caps re-made.

    I remember there was talk 4 years ago that Biden might take over for a day just to screw with Trumps merchandising efforts on the 45 branding, but Obama and Biden are not that petty. Trump on the other hand is.

    A very plausible scenario I think !


  • #5159
    MeMen2_MoRi_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    And this case is not about "Fraud" it's an argument about a technicality.

    Basically mail-in votes are supposed to have a "privacy envelope" with a signature and a few other items on the outside.

    The case here is saying that 592 votes have missing/incorrect info on this envelope.

    An admin error possibly and I'm sure there are a few of those that will be disputed , but absolutely categorically NOT fraud.

    I think this is where the trump campaign is actually at, it's real cases are on technicalities and not out and out fraud, thus they're never gonna get this election overturned on the margins that Biden is winning at.


  • #5160
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,623 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »
    I think this is where the trump campaign is actually at, it's real cases are on technicalities and not out and out fraud, thus they're never gonna get this election overturned on the margins that Biden is winning at.

    It's for optics more than anything, I reckon. Win a small case about a small number of ballots so Trump can claim HIGE WIN IN THE COURTS ABOUT VOTER FRAUD and call into question more of the results.


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  • #5161
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    omega man wrote: »
    I suspect its those Georgia senate elections in January that are motivating the GOP support of trump right now.

    Pretty much, and it could have very negative implications for the GOP in January as this will be doing nothing but hurt loeffler and perdues reelection chances.

    Of course, they're likely being threatened if they don't do this with trunp telling his cult to not vote for these two, which would screw them even worse.

    Stacy Abrams must be licking her lips.


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