Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

OwenM · 11-11-2020 02:55PM

polesheep wrote: »

I don't agree in any way with his approach to Covid, but you can't knock his qualifications. Some people seem to think that medical doctor/clinician trumps scientist when it comes to matters Covid, but the truth is that most medical doctors' knowledge of immunology, virology and epidemiology is quite basic compared to scientists working in those fields.

I agree those fields have far more of a role combatting an epidemic, but this clown is not an epidemiologist and is back with another armageddon prediction, none of which have been remotely accurate and now he wants to delay Christmas, I thought the headline was satirical.

owlbethere · 11-11-2020 02:56PM

prunudo wrote: »

I hope the Hse and nphet are using this 6 week 'lockdown' wisely. Surely they won't squander public good will again by sitting on their hands and not getting their house in order for when we open up in December.

It's not so much HSE and NPHET. It is our government that failed to protect us after our last lockdown. They should have used many tools and implemented them to slow the growth of the virus and the spread of the virus. They should have brought in heavy penalties for people breaking isolation guidelines. They should have brought in quarantine centres near the airports and have people quarantine coming in off flights. That would have got many infections before they went down into communities. I know its not very ideal especially with the North but the North should have adopted the same measures if we went down that way.

That would have helped to control cases numbers and keep them low and allowed us to have some sort of a normal life and would have prevented another lockdown.

Renjit · 11-11-2020 03:01PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Postpone it to next December and have double Christmas

I suggest triple Christmas

Jim_Hodge · 11-11-2020 03:03PM

AssetBacked2 wrote: »

Level 3 means having one other person from another household in your home. That is not going to work at all. It will be Level 2 with extra restrictions on pubs if anything.

Not quite

Visitors are allowed into your home from one other household only - to a maximum of six people.

ACitizenErased · 11-11-2020 03:05PM

791 new cases in the North from 4073 tests.
8 further deaths.

MerlinSouthDub · 11-11-2020 03:06PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

791 new cases in the North from 4073 tests.
8 further deaths.

Again, no sign of much improvement. Unbelievable that the DUP are pushing to lift restrictions. It'll end in tears, and they'll have a lockdown for Christmas.

wakka12 · 11-11-2020 03:07PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

791 new cases in the North from 4073 tests.
8 further deaths.

North barely budging, seems stuck on 20% positivity indefinitely, there is absolutely no trend downward there

Kermit.de.frog · 11-11-2020 03:07PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

791 new cases in the North from 4073 tests.
8 further deaths.

The DUP are doing their best to keep those numbers up.

Ficheall · 11-11-2020 03:09PM

We'll have a third wave after Christmas. Hopefully we can get the cases down as much as possible this month so it won't be too much bigger than the other two.

cameramonkey · 11-11-2020 03:12PM

They need to up their testing in the north. I suppose to expect the DUP to follow science is asking too much as many of them don't believe in evolution. It must be like dealing with a religious cult where everything is about their belief in either the bible or their inability to recognize equality.

is_that_so · 11-11-2020 03:12PM

XsApollo wrote: »

What do the latter do that wouldn’t be legal here?
Taiwan is isolated?
It was probably the country most at risk outside of China at the beginning of the outbreak.
The acted as soon as they heard, they were checking passengers coming off flights from Wuhan end of December.

Taiwan closed borders and one of their measures, like S Korea, includes mobile tracking, a no-no under GDPR.

seamus · 11-11-2020 03:12PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Covid-19: Expert suggests delaying Christmas until late January to help crush virus

Dr Tómas Ryan, Associate Professor in the School of Biochemistry and Immunology at Trinity College, has warned that the country could find itself back at 1,000 cases a day by January if Level 5 restrictions were lifted as planned on December 1.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40079903.html

He's some laugh Tómas Ryan

Talk about impractical

Nice scaremongering about cases too

Jesus Christ.

When he started banging on about zero-Covid, I agreed that the idea had merit, but was practically an impossiblity. I gave him the benefit of the doubt that he was just idealistic.

But this, is evidence that the man is completely detached from reality. Too much time in the lab thinking up hypotheticals.

He's probably right - delaying Xmas could be helpful. But it's so outside the realms of possibility that it's a waste of time even talking about it.

If he thinks it's a reasonable suggestion, then he is severely lacking in any sort of social intelligence.

All he's going to do is keep churning out these, "Yeah that might work in a perfect world, but they're not realistic" ideas so long as they give him airtime.

j@utis · 11-11-2020 03:14PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Covid-19: Expert suggests delaying Christmas until late January to help crush virus

Dr Tómas Ryan, Associate Professor in the School of Biochemistry and Immunology at Trinity College, has warned that the country could find itself back at 1,000 cases a day by January if Level 5 restrictions were lifted as planned on December 1.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40079903.html

He's some laugh Tómas Ryan

Talk about impractical

Nice scaremongering about cases too

"if we got cases down to single figures..." omg, how thick is that?!?!? in the middle of the winter??? I don't know whether to laugh or to cry.

prunudo · 11-11-2020 03:14PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Again, no sign of much improvement. Unbelievable that the DUP are pushing to lift restrictions. It'll end in tears, and they'll have a lockdown for Christmas.

Biggest fear would be that they take us with them or certainly the border counties.

lawred2 · 11-11-2020 03:15PM

So we're being told reinfection is a real thing

Based on 14 cases out of how many million?

That's statistically irrelevant.

wakka12 · 11-11-2020 03:16PM

lawred2 wrote: »

So we're being told reinfection is a real thing

Based on 14 cases out of how many million?

That's statistically irrelevant.

Who said it was a real thing?

Given the rate of asymptomatic infection I'd imagine some of the reinfections are not being caught

stephenjmcd · 11-11-2020 03:20PM

lawred2 wrote: »

So we're being told reinfection is a real thing

Based on 14 cases out of how many million?

That's statistically irrelevant.

The way the Times and the Indo are reporting that is woeful, the Hiqa report isn't much better prepared as its based on 14 cases worldwide.

Its looking purely at igG levels in the blood, a quick bit of research shows T cells are more important and its an evolving area. T cell tests are also in the pipeline, it'll be interesting to see how accurate they are.

igCorcaigh · 11-11-2020 03:22PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Who said it was a real thing?

Given the rate of asymptomatic infection I'd imagine some of the reinfections are not being caught

Headline article on RTE news.
Not convincing at all though and very little detail.

AssetBacked2 · 11-11-2020 03:24PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Not quite

I'm pretty sure that's the old guidance. This is from the government page; https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/ad569-level-3/#social-and-family-gatherings

In your home or garden

No visitors to home or garden, with the exception of visits for essential purposes (for example: family reasons such as providing care to children, elderly or vulnerable people, and in particular those who live alone).

Level 3 may as well be level 5 in the context of Christmas. As such, it is irrelevant to discuss whether it should be level 3 or 2 in December, it must necessarily be level 2 or 1, or else we may as well remain in level 5.

SeaBreezes · 11-11-2020 03:25PM

lawred2 wrote: »

So we're being told reinfection is a real thing

Based on 14 cases out of how many million?

That's statistically irrelevant.

Waay more than 14, just 14 that were genetically sequenced before and after, and this coronavirus is only 10 months old.
For other coronavirus you'd expect 9months to a year immunity after infection?

Also, as I understand, there are many different strains out there, some immune to antibodies.. 27 discovered circulating in humans.

https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/breaking-sars-cov-2-mutations-washington-university,-mayo-and-harvard-scientist-identify-new-48-sars-cov-2-rbd-mutations-resistant-to-antibodies

BringBackMick · 11-11-2020 03:26PM

the situation is very concerning in the north. It has the potential to delay any reopening down here as people in the north will travel south around the Christmas period

wakka12 · 11-11-2020 03:31PM

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-54568111

Very high excess deaths in North, over 1300 excess deaths recorded there as of first week of October, so this figure is even missing a lot of the deaths that occurred in the proceeding weeks when the second wave only really kicked off there. That's a really poor job compared to us, their excess deaths are about 700 per million(not including the several hundred who have died since start of October and other deaths caused by lockdown/hospital mayhem), ours is abut 200 excess deaths per million and likely has not increased since October in fact it has probably decreased.

owlbethere · 11-11-2020 03:33PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

the situation is very concerning in the north. It has the potential to delay any reopening down here as people in the north will travel south around the Christmas period

What is going wrong up North for their case numbers to be so high? Are people following public health guidelines on social distancing, keeping close contacts low, avoid visiting other households, etc?

stephenjmcd · 11-11-2020 03:34PM

wakka12 wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-54568111

Very high excess deaths in North, over 1300 excess deaths recorded there as of first week of October, so this figure is even missing a lot of the deaths that occurred in the proceeding weeks when the second wave only really kicked off there. That's a really poor job compared to us, their excess deaths are higher than here in total number, not just per capita

I used to go up north a good bit but haven't since covid obviously but those who I know who are on the road for a living say things seem alot more laid back up there with regards to restrictions and their application.

I've seen a few people on here suggest it also, is there just less attention paid to anything thats brought in up there compared to here?

lawred2 · 11-11-2020 03:36PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Headline article on RTE news.
Not convincing at all though and very little detail.

Grade A scare mongering

Eod100 · 11-11-2020 03:36PM

is_that_so wrote: »

It's not actually possible to enforce. He can say what he wants but at least CMO et al are consistent in what they are trying to achieve, with results to boot.

CMO was actually the one to recommended mandatory quarantine, government didn't go ahead with it. Could be one of the reasons why they're so cautious about travel.

mloc123 · 11-11-2020 03:40PM

owlbethere wrote: »

What is going wrong up North for their case numbers to be so high? Are people following public health guidelines on social distancing, keeping close contacts low, avoid visiting other households, etc?

No

stephenjmcd · 11-11-2020 03:40PM

Intersting, fairly indictive that it could be only level 3 in name. We all know what sectors he's referencing here
https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1326526095886340096?s=19

Eod100 · 11-11-2020 03:42PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Intersting, fairly indictive that it could be only level 3 in name. We all know what sectors he's referencing here
https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1326526095886340096?s=19

You'd hope so because level 3 travel restrictions are that you're not supposed to leave your county. Good luck to them if they think most people will follow that for Christmas

is_that_so · 11-11-2020 03:43PM

Eod100 wrote: »

CMO was actually the one to recommended mandatory quarantine, government didn't go ahead with it. Could be one of the reasons why they're so cautious about travel.

He said "desirable". Can't really be done without border closures as the numbers would be far too big to manage and it hasn't always been successful elsewhere. Martin said no to it, back in July .

Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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