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Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

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  • #2252
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,151 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Talk of Level 3 for Christmas. People won’t take that


  • #2253
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    normanoffside wrote: »
    Nearly 60% of Covid patients in Hospital didn't have it on admission.
    They got it while in Hospital; for other reasons

    https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1326455354042048513

    But but Hospitals are safe and we should not be afraid to attend! The HSE will take care of us

    According to NPHET and the HSE


  • #2254
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,155 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Talk of Level 3 for Christmas. People won’t take that

    Some people.


  • #2255
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    humberklog wrote: »
    Do you really believe that a number of posters got together and planned a campaign to come onto Boards.ie and the blame schools?

    You sure it's not simply people sharing the same opinion?

    No i don't. It was just a phrase.


  • #2256
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,151 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Some people.

    Well my entire family live in another county so won’t be sticking to that on Christmas Day


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  • #2257
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,231 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Stheno wrote: »
    But but Hospitals are safe and we should not be afraid to attend! The HSE will take care of us

    According to NPHET and the HSE

    Brings up a lot of questions about Yesterdays 8 Hospital deaths.

    Did they catch covid in hospital and die because of it?
    Did they have another terminal illness and pick up Covid in hospitl and just happen to die with it?

    Unfortunately nobody will be asking these questions.


  • #2258
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,231 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Over 85's are also getting Covid at a higher rate than the general population.

    It's clearly in the nursing homes again, more health services faiilings.

    https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1326242600924352513


  • #2259
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Talk of Level 3 for Christmas. People won’t take that

    Level 3 with county restrictions lifted would be grand IMO


  • #2260
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,151 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    mloc123 wrote: »
    Level 3 with county restrictions lifted would be grand IMO

    Would that just mean no pubs and restaurants?


  • #2261
    AssetBacked2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭AssetBacked2


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Talk of Level 3 for Christmas. People won’t take that

    Those that still (somehow) follow the government's inconsistent and hypocritical guidance are hurting themselves.

    Level 3 is no social or family gatherings and only mixing with one person from one other household at a time.
    Level 2 is 6 indoor and 15 outdoor for gatherings and only mixing with 6 people at a time from 2/3 households.

    Level 3 is cancelling Christmas for families. As such, there is little to no chance of most people following even Level 3.


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  • #2262
    Seamai
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    Gael23 wrote: »
    Would that just mean no pubs and restaurants?

    Take away and outside seating only I'd imagine. Good luck with that during an Irish winter, you wouldn't put a dog outside in Cork today.


  • #2263
    GeorgeBailey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭GeorgeBailey


    funnydoggy wrote: »
    For some reason this pandemic has created such a divide that you can only be anti something or pro something. No grey areas. Very frustrating.

    I think it's the internet (social media particularly) that has created the no grey areas thing rather than the pandemic.


  • #2264
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,151 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    AssetBacked2 wrote: »
    Those that still (somehow) follow the government's inconsistent and hypocritical guidance are hurting themselves.

    Level 3 is no social or family gatherings and only mixing with one person from one other household at a time.
    Level 2 is 6 indoor and 15 outdoor for gatherings and only mixing with 6 people at a time from 2/3 households.

    Level 3 is cancelling Christmas for families. As such, there is little to no chance of most people following even Level 3.

    Even level 2 for that matter. There’s 14 of us from 4 households


  • #2265
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Would that just mean no pubs and restaurants?

    3 is up to and including only outdoor dining.

    Originally 3 was indoor allowed with additional restrictions, its now edited to allow anything at all be decided basically


  • #2266
    AssetBacked2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭AssetBacked2


    Maybe that's why we have this circuit breaker lockdown, to get cases as low as possible in order to get to level 1 or 2 for December; give retail and pubs a boost as well as families at Christmas.


  • #2267
    is_that_so
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    mloc123 wrote: »
    Level 3 with county restrictions lifted would be grand IMO
    County restrictions being relaxed is given. If you tweak it and all the other parts of Level 3 to make Christmas tolerable then it's Level 2. People will work around Level 2 but would flout Level 3 at a time like that and I doubt AGS would fancy managing that.


  • #2268
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,436 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    I'm as optimistic as anyone but there's zero chance of pubs being open at Christmas. Non-food pubs anyway, not sure about food serving ones.

    There's not a hope people will abide by any county travel restrictions at Christmas time so they'll presumably scrap those.


  • #2269
    ACitizenErased
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    I reckon we'll see level 2 for Christmas. If numbers rise again they'll move to level 3 way faster than they did before.


  • #2270
    is_that_so
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    AssetBacked2 wrote: »
    Maybe that's why we have this circuit breaker lockdown, to get cases as low as possible in order to get to level 1 or 2 for December; give retail and pubs a boost as well as families at Christmas.
    Dec 1 is for retail, families need Level 2, which we may not get.


  • #2271
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,151 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    I think there will also be a huge push to facilitate nursing home visits at Christmas.


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  • #2272
    AssetBacked2
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    Dec 1 is for retail, families need Level 2, which we may not get.

    Practically speaking however, people won't follow level 3 at Christmas. As such, it seems pointless to even try to move us to Level 3 instead of 1 or 2.


  • #2273
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,213 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    345 new deaths in Belgium, bloody hell.


  • #2274
    owlbethere
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    AssetBacked2 wrote: »
    Those that still (somehow) follow the government's inconsistent and hypocritical guidance are hurting themselves.

    Level 3 is no social or family gatherings and only mixing with one person from one other household at a time.
    Level 2 is 6 indoor and 15 outdoor for gatherings and only mixing with 6 people at a time from 2/3 households.

    Level 3 is cancelling Christmas for families. As such, there is little to no chance of most people following even Level 3.

    Not really. It wouldnt hurt anyone to scale back on Christmas plans for one year only. Christmas day is only one day and I know there is usually a period of a week or two leading up to Christmas and after Christmas where people gather. It really wouldnt hurt people to scale Christmas back and reduce gatherings, and the amount of time people meet together. It's not great or ideal but what's that point of risking your health and that of others. I know of a family making plans now for Christmas Dinner numbers. There's approx 15 people from 6 different households and that's just the adults alone. All it takes is for one of them to be carrying the virus in the incubation stage for the whole lot to be put at risk. What is the point of that?

    There's a vaccine on the way. Covid shouldnt be as much of a threat next year. Go nuts and all out next Christmas but God damn it, cool it down for one year only. What's the point of risking a covid infection and going into the new year with perhaps risk of long covid? Who wants to do that.


  • #2275
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    AssetBacked2 wrote: »
    Practically speaking however, people won't follow level 3 at Christmas. As such, it seems pointless to even try to move us to Level 3 instead of 1 or 2.
    I agree but there does need to be some semblance of planning to it. Level 3 in Dec but an official Level 2 around Christmas will satisfy most people.


  • #2276
    Kermit.de.frog
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    There is not a hope of the country being at level 2 during Christmas in my view. Temporary level 3 restrictions if we are lucky. It will be like that until a vaccine is being distributed.

    The situation in Europe is very serious at the moment. We won't be taking stupid risks.


  • #2277
    AssetBacked2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭AssetBacked2


    owlbethere wrote: »
    Not really. It wouldnt hurt anyone to scale back on Christmas plans for one year only. Christmas day is only one day and I know there is usually a period of a week or two leading up to Christmas and after Christmas where people gather. It really wouldnt hurt people to scale Christmas back and reduce gatherings, and the amount of time people meet together. It's not great or ideal but what's that point of risking your health and that of others. I know of a family making plans now for Christmas Dinner numbers. There's approx 15 people from 6 different households and that's just the adults alone. All it takes is for one of them to be carrying the virus in the incubation stage for the whole lot to be put at risk. What is the point of that?

    There's a vaccine on the way. Covid shouldnt be as much of a threat next year. Go nuts and all out next Christmas but God damn it, cool it down for one year only. What's the point of risking a covid infection and going into the new year with perhaps risk of long covid? Who wants to do that.

    Personal responsibility. In the same way we have not banned fast food outlets, processed sugary cereals, cigarettes, alcohol, driving etc.


  • #2278
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    owlbethere wrote: »
    Not really. It wouldnt hurt anyone to scale back on Christmas plans for one year only. Christmas day is only one day and I know there is usually a period of a week or two leading up to Christmas and after Christmas where people gather. It really wouldnt hurt people to scale Christmas back and reduce gatherings, and the amount of time people meet together. It's not great or ideal but what's that point of risking your health and that of others. I know of a family making plans now for Christmas Dinner numbers. There's approx 15 people from 6 different households and that's just the adults alone. All it takes is for one of them to be carrying the virus in the incubation stage for the whole lot to be put at risk. What is the point of that?

    There's a vaccine on the way. Covid shouldnt be as much of a threat next year. Go nuts and all out next Christmas but God damn it, cool it down for one year only. What's the point of risking a covid infection and going into the new year with perhaps risk of long covid? Who wants to do that.
    People will largely not be pushing for a normal Christmas but they will want a Christmas. It will be a case of personal fears versus mental needs and in that case the mental needs will win out. It's also a week or so at most and we can all go back to Level 5 in January.


  • #2279
    AssetBacked2
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    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    There is not a hope of the country being at level two during Christmas in my view. Temporary level 3 restrictions if we are lucky. It will be like that until a vaccine is being distributed.

    The situation in Europe is very serious at the moment. We won't be taking stupid risks.

    I don't understand this view unless you can provide an indication as to when you think Level 2 or 3 is appropriate? Travel is based on the 14 day numbers per 100,000 by way of example. How should level 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 work?


  • #2280
    owlbethere
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    AssetBacked2 wrote: »
    Maybe that's why we have this circuit breaker lockdown, to get cases as low as possible in order to get to level 1 or 2 for December; give retail and pubs a boost as well as families at Christmas.

    That's what Tony said a few weeks ago. It's to get the numbers down as much as possible for the Christmas. He said it's better to go into the Christmas with case numbers as low as possible eg 50 cases a day instead of going into the Christmas with hundreds a day.

    I suppose the public health authorities know some people will throw caution to the wind for the Christmas and there will be a lot of mixing anyways regardless of public health advice. So going into the Christmas with less cases circulating, there will be less chance of people picking up infections.

    I'm definitely not going to gamble anyways and Christmas and new year will be small and a quite one.


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  • #2281
    eagle eye
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    is_that_so wrote:
    They've never said it's safe, just a much lower risk, with low positivity rates to back it up. To mitigate that risk there are controls in schools.
    Without any definitive proof.


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