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Pubs when/will they re-open - the Megathread

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  • #1622
    vojiwox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 416 ✭✭vojiwox


    Here's a good example of it spreading in pubs/restaurants

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/how-one-couple-s-weekend-away-resulted-in-30-covid-19-cases-1.4368824


  • #1623
    opinionated3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    vojiwox wrote: »
    I guess the case numbers are evidence?

    I'm not sure I get your point, why do you think the cases went so high and why are they decreasing so much now?

    As I stated earlier I can only go by my locality. Cases rose in the traveling community and the schools. I heard of nothing associated with the many pub's in our surrounding villages. In neighbouring Limerick there was a substantial outbreak at a nursing home and obviously UHL. There's a lot of your cases right there. But me sitting by the fire with two buddies drinking a Guinness socially distant from other punters is the big problem?? Don't think so


  • #1624
    vojiwox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 416 ✭✭vojiwox


    Here's some more cases traced to pubs/restaurants in Cork alone.


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-seventy-cases-in-cork-traced-to-local-pubs-and-restaurants-in-recent-weeks-1.4366678


  • #1625
    vojiwox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 416 ✭✭vojiwox


    opinionated3 wrote: »
    As I stated earlier I can only go by my locality. Cases rose in the traveling community and the schools. I heard of nothing associated with the many pub's in our surrounding villages. In neighbouring Limerick there was a substantial outbreak at a nursing home and obviously UHL. There's a lot of your cases right there. But me sitting by the fire with two buddies drinking a Guinness socially distant from other punters is the big problem?? Don't think so

    Here's some

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/heal...ases-1.4368824

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-seventy-cases-in-cork-traced-to-local-pubs-and-restaurants-in-recent-weeks-1.4366678

    Schools are open and numbers are going down since we closed pubs/restaurants.


  • #1626
    opinionated3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    vojiwox wrote: »
    Here's a good example of it spreading in pubs/restaurants

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/how-one-couple-s-weekend-away-resulted-in-30-covid-19-cases-1.4368824

    Started at a house party.... Of which there will be loads more in the run up to Christmas because you can't go for a socially distant pint.


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  • #1627
    vojiwox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 416 ✭✭vojiwox


    opinionated3 wrote: »
    Started at a house party.... Of which there will be loads more in the run up to Christmas because you can't go for a socially distant pint.

    SO you agree it will spread in pubs though?


  • #1628
    SB71
    Closed Accounts Posts: 297 ✭✭SB71


    Theres even more justifaction now for opening up society and trying to salavage peoples jobs and livelyhoods now this vaccine will be rolled out and Ireland is to receive 2 million doses before the end of this year which will be given to healthcare workers, people with underlying medical conditions and the elderly first before the rest of the population receive it, because the facts are that over 90% make a full recovery from this virus, this isnt the black plague.

    It doesnt take an economist or virologist or anyone for that matter to see that the longer you have draconioan lock downs the worse things will be, more and more businesss will go under, mass job losses, and with this comes extreme financial hardship foir many, huge spike in mental health cases and depression and in many cases this can tragically lead to suicide.

    But Holohan doesnt care about any of this, all he wants is credit for getting cases back down, him and the rest of them live comfortable lives on huge salarys and nice hoises and cars and will never experience any sort of hardship like this.

    These are the facts,.


  • #1629
    vojiwox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 416 ✭✭vojiwox


    SB71 wrote: »
    Theres even more justifaction now for opening up society and trying to salavage peoples jobs and livelyhoods now this vaccine will be rolled out and Ireland is to receive 2 million doses before the end of this year which will be given to healthcare workers, people with underlying medical conditions and the elderly first before the rest of the population receive it, because the facts are that over 90% make a full recovery from this virus, this isnt the black plague.

    It doesnt take an economist or virologist or anyone for that matter to see that the longer you have draconioan lock downs the worse things will be, more and more businesss will go under, mass job losses, and with this comes extreme financial hardship foir many, huge spike in mental health cases and depression and in many cases this can tragically lead to suicide.

    But Holohan doesnt care about any of this, all he wants is credit for getting cases back down, him and the rest of them live comfortable lives on huge salarys and nice hoises and cars and will never experience any sort of hardship like this.

    These are the facts,.

    Saying something is fact does not make it a fact.

    That's a fact! :pac:


  • #1630
    SB71
    Closed Accounts Posts: 297 ✭✭SB71


    opinionated3 wrote: »
    Started at a house party.... Of which there will be loads more in the run up to Christmas because you can't go for a socially distant pint.

    exactly


  • #1631
    SB71
    Closed Accounts Posts: 297 ✭✭SB71


    vojiwox wrote: »
    Saying something is fact does not make it a fact.

    That's a fact! :pac:

    im asking you again to produce real evidence that pubs are the cause in spike in cases, you cant because it's lies.

    so by your logic lock downs dont cause any hardship for people is this what your trying to imply?


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  • #1632
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,765 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    They need to give clarity to hospitality trade as Dec/Jan prop up these businesses for the leaner months. It's an absolute joke they are in the dark, just state if the R rate or cases numbers are X we go to Level 2 or Level 3.


  • #1633
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,105 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    I can see the Vintners association mounting a campaign of disobedience at Christmas and opening


  • #1634
    opinionated3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    vojiwox wrote: »
    SO you agree it will spread in pubs though?

    Not necessarily. House parties are not regulated, persons are free to roam around the house without masks. In the local pub you remain seated at all times, table service is the norm and put on your mask when you need to go to toilet or walk around etc. Don't get me wrong, you might have an irresponsible publican who might not enforce those rules but as I said, my locals stuck to the roles brilliantly and were to be applauded for that. Infinitely more safe than a house party


  • #1635
    vojiwox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 416 ✭✭vojiwox


    SB71 wrote: »
    im asking you again to produce real evidence that pubs are the cause in spike in cases, you cant because it's lies.

    I showed you the results from the contact tracing. You just don't want to believe it. Which is fine, maybe you are someway invested in the industry and it is a tough situation on people in the industry. I can't imagine what it must be like, especially coming into holiday season.

    But unfortunately the laws of physics do not stop working when you sit around a table in a pub and the virus will spread there as has been shown. It's why the pubs take your name going in because even the pubs know the virus will spread in them to other tables.


  • #1636
    AssetBacked2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭AssetBacked2


    ReginaldSmythV wrote: »
    Quite the opposite, I love a drink and I love a drink in the pub but I'm also trying to be a grown up. Suck it up and deal with it, you're not exactly being asked to go to the trenches or down the mines or anything. The pubs will open again and we can all happily go.

    This is such a toxic attitude. 8 months of having daily life heavily restricted and your message is "suck it up". Maybe at the beginning in March when everything was so uncertain, but 8 months of social and economic life severely curtailed is taking the piss. 8 months of being told to keep a distance from people, wear a face mask, don't travel anywhere, closing pubs, banning sport and concert attendance, to name but a few. At what point do you yourself ask, "What is the point of life? What is living?".


  • #1637
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,468 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    opinionated3 wrote: »
    Not necessarily. House parties are not regulated, persons are free to roam around the house without masks. In the local pub you remain seated at all times, table service is the norm and put on your mask when you need to go to toilet or walk around etc. Don't get me wrong, you might have an irresponsible publican who might not enforce those rules but as I said, my locals stuck to the roles brilliantly and were to be applauded for that. Infinitely more safe than a house party

    Likewise situation in my own local pubs, plenty of signage, staff pulling people up if anything was seen to go against guidelines, if you had an issue with them out you go.

    In my own opinion I'm more likely to follow the guidelines in a controlled environment where there's plenty of reminders all around me regarding distancing, hand hygiene etc. If I were at a friends house its likely to be much more laid back and more open to letting the guard down even more, in the pub I was much more aware of my surroundings


  • #1638
    vojiwox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 416 ✭✭vojiwox


    opinionated3 wrote: »
    Not necessarily.

    I mean in the case study shown. It spread through the community via the pub/restaurants. At least we can agree on that :)

    opinionated3 wrote: »
    House parties are not regulated, persons are free to roam around the house without masks. In the local pub you remain seated at all times, table service is the norm and put on your mask when you need to go to toilet or walk around etc. Don't get me wrong, you might have an irresponsible publican who might not enforce those rules but as I said, my locals stuck to the roles brilliantly and were to be applauded for that. Infinitely more safe than a house party

    Doesn't matter when you're sitting at the same table as different households. The pubs couldn't manage that, I blame the people not the pubs.


  • #1639
    SB71
    Closed Accounts Posts: 297 ✭✭SB71


    vojiwox wrote: »
    I showed you the results from the contact tracing. You just don't want to believe it. Which is fine, maybe you are someway invested in the industry and it is a tough situation on people in the industry. I can't imagine what it must be like, especially coming into holiday season.

    But unfortunately the laws of physics do not stop working when you sit around a table in a pub and the virus will spread there as has been shown. It's why the pubs take your name going in because even the pubs know the virus will spread in them to other tables.

    miniscule amounts of cases,im taling about big spikes in cases like we have seen in nursing home settings, meat factories, direct priovision centres, your scraping the barrel here mate this isnt evidence it's laughable


  • #1640
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Russman


    AssetBacked2 wrote: »
    This is such a toxic attitude. 8 months of having daily life heavily restricted and your message is "suck it up". Maybe at the beginning in March when everything was so uncertain, but 8 months of social and economic life severely curtailed is taking the piss. 8 months of being told to keep a distance from people, wear a face mask, don't travel anywhere, closing pubs, banning sport and concert attendance, to name but a few. At what point do you yourself ask, "What is the point of life? What is living?".

    How did you think this pandemic would play out ?
    Nobody likes the situation we're in but the option to just say we're fed up with it isn't realistic.


  • #1641
    vojiwox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 416 ✭✭vojiwox


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Likewise situation in my own local pubs, plenty of signage, staff pulling people up if anything was seen to go against guidelines, if you had an issue with them out you go.

    In my own opinion I'm more likely to follow the guidelines in a controlled environment where there's plenty of reminders all around me regarding distancing, hand hygiene etc. If I were at a friends house its likely to be much more laid back and more open to letting the guard down even more, in the pub I was much more aware of my surroundings

    But you had people from different households sitting around pub tables. No social distancing.

    I don't blame the pubs, they couldn't enforce it, but their customers didn't help the cause on this one. Unfortunately as I loved having them open. But it was inevitable.


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  • #1642
    SB71
    Closed Accounts Posts: 297 ✭✭SB71


    Gael23 wrote: »
    I can see the Vintners association mounting a campaign of disobedience at Christmas and opening

    and so they should too,when you have overlords like Tony Holohan running the country it's like a dictatorship.


  • #1643
    vojiwox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 416 ✭✭vojiwox


    SB71 wrote: »
    miniscule amounts of cases,im taling about big spikes in cases like we have seen in nursing home settings, meat factories, direct priovision centres, your scraping the barrel here mate this isnt evidence it's laughable

    I disagree. All those things are open now and we are doing well case wise.

    I'm a betting man, you open the pubs - my money is on cases going up.

    I guess we'll see if they do


  • #1644
    vojiwox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 416 ✭✭vojiwox


    SB71 wrote: »
    and so they should too,when you have overlords like Tony Holohan running the country it's like a dictatorship.

    This is nonsense though. More lies.

    Tony Holohan does not run the country, and that's a fact ;)


  • #1645
    SB71
    Closed Accounts Posts: 297 ✭✭SB71


    vojiwox wrote: »
    But you had people from different households sitting around pub tables. No social distancing.

    I don't blame the pubs, they couldn't enforce it, but their customers didn't help the cause on this one. Unfortunately as I loved having them open. But it was inevitable.

    funny that any pub i went to i never seen that, you sat at a table no more than 6 people with your own circle.

    keep the pubs closed and there will be a huge incresase in house partys and raves,etc and this will be a lot worse.


  • #1646
    AssetBacked2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭AssetBacked2


    Russman wrote: »
    How did you think this pandemic would play out ?
    Nobody likes the situation we're in but the option to just say we're fed up with it isn't realistic.

    The data doesn't lie. For those of working age (under 65s), this is a social and economic crisis, it is only a health crisis for the over 65s. As such, it is scandalous that we still find ourselves in lockdown 8 months after the initial lockdown. It is completely ignorant to the working population, as usual in this inequitable Irish society.


  • #1647
    vojiwox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 416 ✭✭vojiwox


    SB71 wrote: »
    funny that any pub i went to i never seen that, you sat at a table no more than people with your own circle.

    Well fair enough, other pubs ruined it for your pub then. And that I do have sympathy for.


  • #1648
    SB71
    Closed Accounts Posts: 297 ✭✭SB71


    vojiwox wrote: »
    This is nonsense though. More lies.

    Tony Holohan does not run the country, and that's a fact ;)

    you could have fooled me and everyone else, what he says goes.

    FFG are scared ****less of making any decisions by themselves and blindly follow NPHET,only on one occasion they didnt.


  • #1649
    vojiwox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 416 ✭✭vojiwox


    SB71 wrote: »
    you could have fooled me and everyone else, what he says goes.

    Maybe they fooled you, but you should stop spreading it. :)


  • #1650
    FrStone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 720 ✭✭✭FrStone


    vojiwox wrote: »
    And there you have it.

    Remember these folk when we get out the other side.

    I hope people do remember and take time to think about it. Even the slowest of people will realise that closing pubs for long periods of time will not stop socialising. It will just mean people socialise in unregulated settings.


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  • #1651
    I see sheep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,132 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    vojiwox wrote: »
    I disagree. All those things are open now and we are doing well case wise.

    I'm a betting man, you open the pubs - my money is on cases going up.

    I guess we'll see if they do

    If the pubs open other things will be open too so you'll never be able to tell.

    But from the last time they were open there was no major outbreak linked to pubs afaik.

    "a terrible war imposed by the provisional IRA"

    Our West Brit Taoiseach



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